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Post by aztecryan on Aug 15, 2018 22:40:47 GMT -8
Never said anything remotely close to that, but don't let that get in the way of your narrative... Then again, I don't let the results of a Padre season consume my life. Really? This must have been a ghost writer. "For all of the talk of the Padres being a $#!+ show for 50 years, they've made the playoffs twice in the past decade with far inferior talent." Ahhh wrong!! Also, with all the research and posting you have been doing on the Padres, it seems to indeed be consuming you. I have been following this team since the mid 70's. Difference is I don't try to turn $#!+ into something it's not. This team sucks and has sucked for 50 years period. Sure hope you are right about the future though. My boarding pass is getting ready to expire. I should have specified 13 years instead of a decade, you're right. And all the research I do is literally done in an hour or less - It's not hard to communicate with people and look up statistics. Madfriars.com is a great resource. As is Fangraphs, Baseball Reference and Baseball Prospectus.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 16, 2018 2:56:06 GMT -8
They would need to increase attendance at at 10,000 per game. With a good winning team that is Young and exciting that would be very easy. Come on Bill!! If I am doing the math right, the Padres would have to average around 38K a game. I think you are forgetting a few of things about San Diego. One, it's the Padres. Two, it's San Diego. And three, there are Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Sundays in San Diego. Unless the Padres are giving some swag on those nights, good luck drawing 38k a game. Floppy hat or bobble head give away every night and you might have a chance. Good luck with that!! They Drew 3 million before with a team that was not as good as the team will be in a couple years
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Post by aardvark on Aug 16, 2018 9:32:24 GMT -8
Come on Bill!! If I am doing the math right, the Padres would have to average around 38K a game. I think you are forgetting a few of things about San Diego. One, it's the Padres. Two, it's San Diego. And three, there are Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Sundays in San Diego. Unless the Padres are giving some swag on those nights, good luck drawing 38k a game. Floppy hat or bobble head give away every night and you might have a chance. Good luck with that!! They Drew 3 million before with a team that was not as good as the team will be in a couple years Which was also done in a brand new ballpark, by less than 17,000 fans. Their smallest crowd in 2004 was 24,079, which was 1 of 11 crowds that season the Padres had that was under 30,000. They also had 35 crowds of 40,000 or more. The Padres will be deliriously happy if they could raise their attendance to somewhere between 30 and 35 thousand per game in the future. They will not see 3 million fans in one season again.
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Post by azteca on Aug 16, 2018 18:22:45 GMT -8
This team is almost impossible to watch! First inning, three runs in, two men on and no outs.😳😳
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 6:13:26 GMT -8
The Pudres once again are just about back on pace to lose 100 games. They are the worst team in the National League and third worst in MLB. Stupendous!!
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 17, 2018 6:58:17 GMT -8
It’s fairly uncommon for a rookie pitcher to be dealing. Just off the top of my head and very incomplete list:
Dwight Gooden, Fernando Valenzuela, Mark Fidrych, Tom Seaver, Jose Fernandez.
Most everyone else needs a few years:
Nolan Ryan, Sandy Koufax, Randy Jones, Randy Johnson, Max Schezer ect.
The point is, the Gorejon generation won’t be ready to kick butt until 2021 at the earliest....if it happens at all.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 17, 2018 7:16:19 GMT -8
The Pudres once again are just about back on pace to lose 100 games. They are the worst team in the National League and third worst in MLB. Stupendous!! I honestly didn't think they would lose 100, but they are at a point where they have to go 15-23 to avoid losing 100, which is a higher winning percentage (.394) than what they are currently playing at (.387). It would be the first time the Padres have lost 100 games since 1993--the last full season of Ton Werner and "gang of 15" ownership.
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 17, 2018 7:52:56 GMT -8
The Pudres once again are just about back on pace to lose 100 games. They are the worst team in the National League and third worst in MLB. Stupendous!! I honestly didn't think they would lose 100, but they are at a point where they have to go 15-23 to avoid losing 100, which is a higher winning percentage (.394) than what they are currently playing at (.387). It would be the first time the Padres have lost 100 games since 1993--the last full season of Ton Werner and "gang of 15" ownership. I would say the over/under is 102 losses. If MLB had relegation, this franchise would definitely be a candidate. The Pads are bringing up the farm AND they are abysmal at home, not a recipe for a winning streak.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 17, 2018 12:51:17 GMT -8
I honestly didn't think they would lose 100, but they are at a point where they have to go 15-23 to avoid losing 100, which is a higher winning percentage (.394) than what they are currently playing at (.387). It would be the first time the Padres have lost 100 games since 1993--the last full season of Ton Werner and "gang of 15" ownership. I would say the over/under is 102 losses. If MLB had relegation, this franchise would definitely be a candidate. The Pads are bringing up the farm AND they are abysmal at home, not a recipe for a winning streak. The Padres have not brought up any top 100 prospects they have 10 of them
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 17, 2018 12:52:11 GMT -8
They Drew 3 million before with a team that was not as good as the team will be in a couple years Which was also done in a brand new ballpark, by less than 17,000 fans. Their smallest crowd in 2004 was 24,079, which was 1 of 11 crowds that season the Padres had that was under 30,000. They also had 35 crowds of 40,000 or more. The Padres will be deliriously happy if they could raise their attendance to somewhere between 30 and 35 thousand per game in the future. They will not see 3 million fans in one season again. I am sure you would swear the Aztecs would never sell the season out in basketball when they were losing significantly in 2008.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 17, 2018 13:36:50 GMT -8
It’s fairly uncommon for a rookie pitcher to be dealing. Just off the top of my head and very incomplete list: Dwight Gooden, Fernando Valenzuela, Mark Fidrych, Tom Seaver, Jose Fernandez. Most everyone else needs a few years: Nolan Ryan, Sandy Koufax, Randy Jones, Randy Johnson, Max Schezer ect. The point is, the Gorejon generation won’t be ready to kick butt until 2021 at the earliest....if it happens at all. How about pitchers from this era? Noah Syndergaaard 3.24 ERA rookie year. 150 IP, 166 strikeouts, 3.25 FIP Marcus Stroman 3.65 ERA. 130 IP, 111 strikeouts, 2.84 FIP. Take any of Chris Sale's first 3 years. Madison Bumgarner. 3.00 ERA, 3.66 FIP. Gerrit Cole 3.22 ERA, 117.1 IP, 100 strikeouts, 2.91 FIP. There's more, but the narrative goes both ways. I use frontline pitcher comps because Gore profiles as such. There's nothing preventing the kid from knocking on the door in mid-2020 and having a low to mid 3's ERA. He's that talented. Could easily see AA next season. He's being handled with extreme, extreme care this season with the blisters, but the kid gloves eventually will come off.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 17, 2018 13:38:22 GMT -8
I would say the over/under is 102 losses. If MLB had relegation, this franchise would definitely be a candidate. The Pads are bringing up the farm AND they are abysmal at home, not a recipe for a winning streak. The Padres have not brought up any top 100 prospects they have 10 of them Could easily have 11 or 12. Nobody has ranked Patino yet and Espinoza doesn't make a lot of lists with him not pitching for 2 seasons. There's plenty more behind them, but most sites have a serious problem ranking lower level minor league talent due to the lack of proximity. Some will ultimately fail because they don't have the projectability, but it's hard to make the bigs, as shown. Even harder to stick around.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 17, 2018 19:45:07 GMT -8
Which was also done in a brand new ballpark, by less than 17,000 fans. Their smallest crowd in 2004 was 24,079, which was 1 of 11 crowds that season the Padres had that was under 30,000. They also had 35 crowds of 40,000 or more. The Padres will be deliriously happy if they could raise their attendance to somewhere between 30 and 35 thousand per game in the future. They will not see 3 million fans in one season again. I am sure you would swear the Aztecs would never sell the season out in basketball when they were losing significantly in 2008. I wasn't aware that 20-13 or 26-10 records were considered losing significantly. And it did take the Aztecs until the 2011-12 season to sell-out the arena nightly, which was a wonderful thing. I never thought they could do that, but they did. But that doesn't affect the Padres one bit. Yes, if the Padres get good, their attendance should rise. But they will not reach 3 million.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 17, 2018 19:59:03 GMT -8
I am sure you would swear the Aztecs would never sell the season out in basketball when they were losing significantly in 2008. I wasn't aware that 20-13 or 26-10 records were considered losing significantly. And it did take the Aztecs until the 2011-12 season to sell-out the arena nightly, which was a wonderful thing. I never thought they could do that, but they did. But that doesn't affect the Padres one bit. Yes, if the Padres get good, their attendance should rise. But they will not reach 3 million. You never thought they could, but they did! I rest my case.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 17, 2018 22:24:51 GMT -8
I wasn't aware that 20-13 or 26-10 records were considered losing significantly. And it did take the Aztecs until the 2011-12 season to sell-out the arena nightly, which was a wonderful thing. I never thought they could do that, but they did. But that doesn't affect the Padres one bit. Yes, if the Padres get good, their attendance should rise. But they will not reach 3 million. You never thought they could, but they did! I rest my case. You're attempting to fill 12,000+ seats versus 42,000+ seats. The Padres will not draw 3,000,000. And I rest my case as well.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 17, 2018 23:05:45 GMT -8
37,000 a game is doable once the team improves. Hell, they draw 27,000 a game this year and they are nowhere near the top.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 18, 2018 7:35:57 GMT -8
37,000 a game is doable once the team improves. Hell, they draw 27,000 a game this year and they are nowhere near the top. Nope.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 6:34:47 GMT -8
I am wondering if the Pudres ownership is putting something in the beer or nachos in order to get an average attendance of 27,000 to come out and watch this debacle.
Also, the Pudres are the 4th worst in MLB not not 3rd. That's way better. My bad.
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Post by azteca on Aug 19, 2018 12:43:38 GMT -8
This may be early in their major league tenures but, so far, the young starters that have been brought up don’t appear to have an “out” pitch. Even, Luchessi, with his funky delivery, doesn’t really seem to have one yet. Hopefully the younger ones yet to arrive have some serious heat in their arsenals. I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2018 18:20:01 GMT -8
Impossible to judge Nix off 2 starts, Lauer I would agree doesn't have the out pitch, yet. Needs more seasoning and more command to the corners. Lucchesi I would argue does when his delivery is in sync and allows him to get the movement on the "churve" for swings and misses. He's pitched pretty well all told. On the other side of the ball, Hunter Renfroe has really improved this year. I hope he gets a chance for consistent time next season.
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