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Post by aardvark on Apr 25, 2018 15:35:30 GMT -8
The thread title symbolizes the number of strikeouts for the Padres their last 2 games at Coors Field. 12 last night and 16 today. They have 273 K's as a team this season. In 26 games. Averaging over 10 K's per game.
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Post by bagtec on Apr 25, 2018 15:37:20 GMT -8
safe to say Matt Stairs will suffer the same fate as all hitting coaches previous to him.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 25, 2018 17:05:20 GMT -8
safe to say Matt Stairs will suffer the same fate as all hitting coaches previous to him. Yep. Hope for his sake he is renting on a month-to-month lease.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 21:15:02 GMT -8
I really don't get it. I said I didn't think this would be the Padres year. But this organization is supposed to compete next year and the year after. So I thought!! How is this team so bad?(Hitting) They won 71 last year. Already sweating 71 wins this year. If I am doing my math right, the Padres are on pace for 50 something ish.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 25, 2018 21:36:21 GMT -8
I really don't get it. I said I didn't think this would be the Padres year. But this organization is supposed to compete next year and the year after. So I thought!! How is this team so bad?(Hitting) They won 71 last year. Already sweating 71 wins this year. If I am doing my math right, the Padres are on pace for 50 something ish. It's all about the $$$. Do you think that the Padres hitting coach could even get an interview with the Yankees or Red Sox? The best coaches don't go to teams like the Padres. Why would they? They can make 2-3 times as much with the big market teams. It's not just about player payroll, it's about coaches, managers, scouts, GM's, etc - the big picture. The Padres cannot compete for the best in the business in those positions, so the Padres will be a bad team far more often than they'll be a good team because even when they get decent talent (once or twice a decade) their coaches are mediocre at best. Like I said before - it would be like the Aztecs playing a Pac 12 schedule on MWC money.
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Post by ab on Apr 26, 2018 9:22:01 GMT -8
I really don't get it. I said I didn't think this would be the Padres year. But this organization is supposed to compete next year and the year after. So I thought!! How is this team so bad?(Hitting) They won 71 last year. Already sweating 71 wins this year. If I am doing my math right, the Padres are on pace for 50 something ish. It's all about the $$$. Do you think that the Padres hitting coach could even get an interview with the Yankees or Red Sox? The best coaches don't go to teams like the Padres. Why would they? They can make 2-3 times as much with the big market teams. It's not just about player payroll, it's about coaches, managers, scouts, GM's, etc - the big picture. The Padres cannot compete for the best in the business in those positions, so the Padres will be a bad team far more often than they'll be a good team because even when they get decent talent (once or twice a decade) their coaches are mediocre at best. Like I said before - it would be like the Aztecs playing a Pac 12 schedule on MWC money. How about furnishing some facts that back up your theory that Stairs is getting paid that much less than the Hitting coaches elsewhere?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 26, 2018 14:34:09 GMT -8
It's all about the $$$. Do you think that the Padres hitting coach could even get an interview with the Yankees or Red Sox? The best coaches don't go to teams like the Padres. Why would they? They can make 2-3 times as much with the big market teams. It's not just about player payroll, it's about coaches, managers, scouts, GM's, etc - the big picture. The Padres cannot compete for the best in the business in those positions, so the Padres will be a bad team far more often than they'll be a good team because even when they get decent talent (once or twice a decade) their coaches are mediocre at best. Like I said before - it would be like the Aztecs playing a Pac 12 schedule on MWC money. How about furnishing some facts that back up your theory that Stairs is getting paid that much less than the Hitting coaches elsewhere? You think he's not? Compare managers' salaries. There's a huge difference between the managers' salaries for the Yankees and Red Sox and the Padres & Brewers. There's a similar percentage difference for the coaches as well. They've got the money to spend and they take advantage of that.
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 26, 2018 15:12:47 GMT -8
.220 team batting avg. It’s been like this for 10 years, nothing gets fixed.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 26, 2018 15:41:53 GMT -8
.220 team batting avg. It’s been like this for 10 years, nothing gets fixed. Giving your statement some validity, since 2008, the Padres have been 30th in hitting 5 times, 29th once, 28th 3 times, were 23rd once (2013) and 22nd once (2012). They are also 28th again this season. During that time, they have had 7 hitting coaches, and 3 assistant hitting coaches.
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 26, 2018 16:11:15 GMT -8
How about furnishing some facts that back up your theory that Stairs is getting paid that much less than the Hitting coaches elsewhere? You think he's not? Compare managers' salaries. There's a huge difference between the managers' salaries for the Yankees and Red Sox and the Padres & Brewers. There's a similar percentage difference for the coaches as well. They've got the money to spend and they take advantage of that. It’s talent that wins games, but it is management who picks the talent. Unfortunately the Padres have been horrible at picking talent lately, especially when it comes to developing players. Shortly after arriving in Petco, management decided to pivot away from signing free agents to cultivating the farm system. The results have been disastrous, arguably the worst run of flops in major league history, maybe all of professional sports. Seriously it has been that bad. According to Newton’s third law, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I suppose karma will eventually realign in the Padres favor.
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Post by ab on Apr 26, 2018 20:13:22 GMT -8
How about furnishing some facts that back up your theory that Stairs is getting paid that much less than the Hitting coaches elsewhere? You think he's not? Compare managers' salaries. There's a huge difference between the managers' salaries for the Yankees and Red Sox and the Padres & Brewers. There's a similar percentage difference for the coaches as well. They've got the money to spend and they take advantage of that. I didn't say that did I? Show the numbers to back up your claim.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 26, 2018 23:14:02 GMT -8
You think he's not? Compare managers' salaries. There's a huge difference between the managers' salaries for the Yankees and Red Sox and the Padres & Brewers. There's a similar percentage difference for the coaches as well. They've got the money to spend and they take advantage of that. I didn't say that did I? Show the numbers to back up your claim. Do you really, honestly think that the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox don't have better hitting coaches that they pay far more than the Padres pay their hitting coach? The highest paid managers in MLB are not managing for small market teams. MLB doesn't publish position coaches' salaries, but you know damned well that the teams with money spend it. Their player and manager salaries prove that. The Padres have a scrub manager - do you think the Yankees would hire him? The Red Sox? Dodgers? Hell, no!! The Padres can't afford top line managers or position coaches. They blew it when they let Bochy go. They lucked into a great one, and rather than realizing that it was player personnel MISmanagement they pushed him out, blaming him for the team's lack of success in his last few years here. The Padres will never be able to afford a truly great, proven manager again (unless he's well past his prime and can't get a job elsewhere). And so it goes with the position coaches. What coach is going to work in San Diego for a, "San Diego Discount," when he can make a lot more money working for a team that contends for the playoffs every year? You know that the Padres get outspent across the board and have the talent, or lack thereof, to show for it.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 27, 2018 7:28:03 GMT -8
I didn't say that did I? Show the numbers to back up your claim. Do you really, honestly think that the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox don't have better hitting coaches that they pay far more than the Padres pay their hitting coach? The highest paid managers in MLB are not managing for small market teams. MLB doesn't publish position coaches' salaries, but you know damned well that the teams with money spend it. Their player and manager salaries prove that. The Padres have a scrub manager - do you think the Yankees would hire him? The Red Sox? Dodgers? Hell, no!! The Padres can't afford top line managers or position coaches. They blew it when they let Bochy go. They lucked into a great one, and rather than realizing that it was player personnel MISmanagement they pushed him out, blaming him for the team's lack of success in his last few years here. The Padres will never be able to afford a truly great, proven manager again (unless he's well past his prime and can't get a job elsewhere). And so it goes with the position coaches. What coach is going to work in San Diego for a, "San Diego Discount," when he can make a lot more money working for a team that contends for the playoffs every year? You know that the Padres get outspent across the board and have the talent, or lack thereof, to show for it. 1) You readily admit you don't know the numbers, so there is no way to verify your statement. They COULD be spending more for their managers, but you don't know. 2) Both the Yankees and Red Sox are spending much, much more on players than the Padres--but both have rookie managers. I would not be surprised if they are making a salary similar to what Green is getting.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 27, 2018 8:37:38 GMT -8
Do you really, honestly think that the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox don't have better hitting coaches that they pay far more than the Padres pay their hitting coach? The highest paid managers in MLB are not managing for small market teams. MLB doesn't publish position coaches' salaries, but you know damned well that the teams with money spend it. Their player and manager salaries prove that. The Padres have a scrub manager - do you think the Yankees would hire him? The Red Sox? Dodgers? Hell, no!! The Padres can't afford top line managers or position coaches. They blew it when they let Bochy go. They lucked into a great one, and rather than realizing that it was player personnel MISmanagement they pushed him out, blaming him for the team's lack of success in his last few years here. The Padres will never be able to afford a truly great, proven manager again (unless he's well past his prime and can't get a job elsewhere). And so it goes with the position coaches. What coach is going to work in San Diego for a, "San Diego Discount," when he can make a lot more money working for a team that contends for the playoffs every year? You know that the Padres get outspent across the board and have the talent, or lack thereof, to show for it. 1) You readily admit you don't know the numbers, so there is no way to verify your statement. They COULD be spending more for their managers, but you don't know. 2) Both the Yankees and Red Sox are spending much, much more on players than the Padres--but both have rookie managers. I would not be surprised if they are making a salary similar to what Green is getting. Do you really believe that?
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Post by aardvark on Apr 27, 2018 8:55:50 GMT -8
1) You readily admit you don't know the numbers, so there is no way to verify your statement. They COULD be spending more for their managers, but you don't know. 2) Both the Yankees and Red Sox are spending much, much more on players than the Padres--but both have rookie managers. I would not be surprised if they are making a salary similar to what Green is getting. Do you really believe that? Did you read what I wrote?
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Post by ab on Apr 27, 2018 9:10:03 GMT -8
I didn't say that did I? Show the numbers to back up your claim. Do you really, honestly think that the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox don't have better hitting coaches that they pay far more than the Padres pay their hitting coach? The highest paid managers in MLB are not managing for small market teams. MLB doesn't publish position coaches' salaries, but you know damned well that the teams with money spend it. Their player and manager salaries prove that. The Padres have a scrub manager - do you think the Yankees would hire him? The Red Sox? Dodgers? Hell, no!! The Padres can't afford top line managers or position coaches. They blew it when they let Bochy go. They lucked into a great one, and rather than realizing that it was player personnel MISmanagement they pushed him out, blaming him for the team's lack of success in his last few years here. The Padres will never be able to afford a truly great, proven manager again (unless he's well past his prime and can't get a job elsewhere). And so it goes with the position coaches. What coach is going to work in San Diego for a, "San Diego Discount," when he can make a lot more money working for a team that contends for the playoffs every year? You know that the Padres get outspent across the board and have the talent, or lack thereof, to show for it. Why do you waste your time trying to put words into my mouth instead of digging up the #s that back up what you're saying? This ain't rocket science.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 27, 2018 10:14:46 GMT -8
Do you really, honestly think that the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox don't have better hitting coaches that they pay far more than the Padres pay their hitting coach? The highest paid managers in MLB are not managing for small market teams. MLB doesn't publish position coaches' salaries, but you know damned well that the teams with money spend it. Their player and manager salaries prove that. The Padres have a scrub manager - do you think the Yankees would hire him? The Red Sox? Dodgers? Hell, no!! The Padres can't afford top line managers or position coaches. They blew it when they let Bochy go. They lucked into a great one, and rather than realizing that it was player personnel MISmanagement they pushed him out, blaming him for the team's lack of success in his last few years here. The Padres will never be able to afford a truly great, proven manager again (unless he's well past his prime and can't get a job elsewhere). And so it goes with the position coaches. What coach is going to work in San Diego for a, "San Diego Discount," when he can make a lot more money working for a team that contends for the playoffs every year? You know that the Padres get outspent across the board and have the talent, or lack thereof, to show for it. Why do you waste your time trying to put words into my mouth instead of digging up the #s that back up what you're saying? This ain't rocket science. As I mentioned, MLB doesn't publish coaches salaries, but common sense and market forces say that the big money teams get the coaches and managers they want by spending more money on them than their competition can.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 27, 2018 10:32:22 GMT -8
Why do you waste your time trying to put words into my mouth instead of digging up the #s that back up what you're saying? This ain't rocket science. As I mentioned, MLB doesn't publish coaches salaries, but common sense and market forces say that the big money teams get the coaches and managers they want by spending more money on them than their competition can. You can't prove it, so your statement is as much BS to me as my statement is to you.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 27, 2018 11:23:03 GMT -8
As I mentioned, MLB doesn't publish coaches salaries, but common sense and market forces say that the big money teams get the coaches and managers they want by spending more money on them than their competition can. You can't prove it, so your statement is as much BS to me as my statement is to you. I may not be able to prove it, but you know damned well that small market teams cannot offer as much money as big market teams can, so if they're both after the same coach the big market team is going to get him.
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Post by ab on Apr 27, 2018 12:42:28 GMT -8
Why do you waste your time trying to put words into my mouth instead of digging up the #s that back up what you're saying? This ain't rocket science. As I mentioned, MLB doesn't publish coaches salaries, but common sense and market forces say that the big money teams get the coaches and managers they want by spending more money on them than their competition can. A couple minutes on google found this for ya.. www.statisticbrain.com/mlb-coaches-salary/Now how about you spend some time doing the same to back up your statements?
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