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Post by fisherville on May 3, 2016 12:48:43 GMT -8
You lost me at Shrigley is WAY ahead of Max. Shrigley isn't way ahead of anybody. I can't remember the last player that frustrated me more than our athletic 6'5 shooting guard who has attempted exactly 1 free throw in his last 29 games. (He missed). He tries to be a dead eye three point shooter and has never shot above an average percentage. He's an average 3 point shooter at best, an average defender at best, and a bad offensive player in every other regard. He's shot a worse percentage in each of his 3 years here. Not sure what makes you believe the trajectory will magically change directions to such an extreme degree for him to warrant 20 minutes a game. Beers are on me if Matt Shrigley averages 20 minutes a game next year. Like I said I can't see him playing more than 10 and even that is due to Fisher's loyalty to guys who have been with him for a long time. Have to think the leadership on this team comes from the young guys. Looking forward to the free beer.
If you take away Shrigs first 3 games, when he was just getting his legs, he shot 38% from 3, and I also believe he'll be more aggressive with the ball w/o the knee injury haunting him next year. He's also a better defender than people give him credit.
I'm just basing the Max v Shrigs comparison on watching them both in practice late this past season. Max will be good, but Shrigs is way ahead of him.
Shrigley consistently gets beat with poor awareness off the ball.. Also you conveniently start the end point at his first good shooting game this past year. I'm not hear to bash Shrigley, he has given his all, but has a ton of work to do to become the player you and Bill make him out to be. I don't expect him or Max to play much.
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2016 13:00:31 GMT -8
Izundu . Great to hear he is being freed from WSU . Would guess he wants to see all 3 MW schools - hopefully while school is still in session . Fresno as many have said they are over in scholarships But as we have all seen , schools sometimes suggest to certain guys that they may not get any PT next year and it is a year scholarship - strange things happen . UNLV , realize recruiting is a war . But have a thought after what Fisher did for Marvin after their NCAA game the other year / Fisher called out NCAA for him . Then put in the good word for Marvin with UNLV , that Marvin does Not come at Izundu with the full court press ,
Next year's team . Would guess Trey and JH are set at the guards and both can play either position if needed . Then numerous questions ? Variety pieces of the puzzle ., guys play multiple positions ,Hope Malik does come back , and very dedicated at working to make himself a complete dominate player . Does the NBA suggest he try to get PT at SF ? Does Fisher play him at both SF and PF ? Understand Fisher makes the call but does he try to also help Malik get the PT at SF ? A wide variety of options depending on Malik's development . Who plays the 5- Nolan more offense and Izundu(if he is here ) more D and rebounding ? The other forward ? More offense is Teki at the 3 and the 2 ? Zylan at the 4 for rebounding and D or if Izundu is not here does he play the 5 or even the 3? . Jaylen at the 4 or 5 if needed or even red shirt?. Dakari is he the captain ?at the 3 or 2 and senior leadership ? Matt a reserve at the 2 but sure hope Teki or Dakari get PT there . Max a reserve at the 3 or even 4 ? Spot shooter . D. Williams , senior does he get PT at PG or is it Trey ?. So 12 players if all are on the roster .Practice should be interesting
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2016 13:29:01 GMT -8
Looking forward to the free beer.
If you take away Shrigs first 3 games, when he was just getting his legs, he shot 38% from 3, and I also believe he'll be more aggressive with the ball w/o the knee injury haunting him next year. He's also a better defender than people give him credit.
I'm just basing the Max v Shrigs comparison on watching them both in practice late this past season. Max will be good, but Shrigs is way ahead of him.
Shrigley consistently gets beat with poor awareness off the ball.. Also you conveniently start the end point at his first good shooting game this past year. I'm not hear to bash Shrigley, he has given his all, but has a ton of work to do to become the player you and Bill make him out to be. I don't expect him or Max to play much. We'll agree to disagree on Shrigs.
As for picking/choosing when to start, I actually didn't start with his 1st good shooting game. Started with game 4 where he was 0-1, and he was actually 4-12 over the 1st 3 game I counted. Far from cherry picking, which pulled down the 38%. Personally I think allowing for some time to account from a late season return to action is reasonable, and just pointing out that I don't think 29% is a true reflection of his season from the perimeter. If I really wanted to cherry pick I'd focus only on the NIT (7-14). Or I'd point out how he fares against A-level (top 50) teams over his entire career (40%).
Agree with you on Max, although I think he does in 2 years after Matt (& probably Pope) leave.
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Post by ignoranus on May 3, 2016 13:38:38 GMT -8
When healthy (last year in conference) MS was averaging about one steal per game. Amazing that he was able to that whilst being unaware.
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Post by aztecking on May 3, 2016 14:04:51 GMT -8
Shrigley consistently gets beat with poor awareness off the ball.. Also you conveniently start the end point at his first good shooting game this past year. I'm not hear to bash Shrigley, he has given his all, but has a ton of work to do to become the player you and Bill make him out to be. I don't expect him or Max to play much. We'll agree to disagree on Shrigs.
As for picking/choosing when to start, I actually didn't start with his 1st good shooting game. Started with game 4 where he was 0-1, and he was actually 4-12 over the 1st 3 game I counted. Far from cherry picking, which pulled down the 38%. Personally I think allowing for some time to account from a late season return to action is reasonable, and just pointing out that I don't think 29% is a true reflection of his season from the perimeter. If I really wanted to cherry pick I'd focus only on the NIT (7-14). Or I'd point out how he fares against A-level (top 50) teams over his entire career (40%).
Agree with you on Max, although I think he does in 2 years after Matt (& probably Pope) leave.
He's gone from 35 to 32 to 28% over his 3 years here. He should be improving over time, not declining significantly. As far as "3 point specialists" go he went from average as a freshman to below average as a sophomore to bad as a junior. Its just wishful thinking at this point that he could get back to being just an average 3 point shooter.
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Post by fisherville on May 3, 2016 14:21:32 GMT -8
When healthy (last year in conference) MS was averaging about one steal per game. Amazing that he was able to that whilst being unaware. There are plenty of awful defenders that get steals, and vice versa. His on ball defense is fine for the most part.
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Post by fisherville on May 3, 2016 14:24:29 GMT -8
We'll agree to disagree on Shrigs.
As for picking/choosing when to start, I actually didn't start with his 1st good shooting game. Started with game 4 where he was 0-1, and he was actually 4-12 over the 1st 3 game I counted. Far from cherry picking, which pulled down the 38%. Personally I think allowing for some time to account from a late season return to action is reasonable, and just pointing out that I don't think 29% is a true reflection of his season from the perimeter. If I really wanted to cherry pick I'd focus only on the NIT (7-14). Or I'd point out how he fares against A-level (top 50) teams over his entire career (40%).
Agree with you on Max, although I think he does in 2 years after Matt (& probably Pope) leave.
He's gone from 35 to 32 to 28% over his 3 years here. He should be improving over time, not declining significantly. As far as "3 point specialists" go he went from average as a freshman to below average as a sophomore to bad as a junior. Its just wishful thinking at this point that he could get back to being just an average 3 point shooter. I think Shrigley can very easily get up to 34-36% next year, he was clearly not 100% last year and offseason should help, but even if he does we have clearly better wing options.
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Post by KickAztec on May 3, 2016 16:27:12 GMT -8
I have never understood why this coaching staff has pigeon-holed Shrigley into this stereotypical exclusive role of the white guy 3-point shooter. He actually is a really good baseline slasher to the hoop, but hasn't done that for a year or two at all, I assume per coaching staff direction. And as others have stated, he isn't really that great of an outside shooter in the first place. Why not just let him be a basketball player?
He is actually a good defender when healthy, but clearly last season he wasn't 100% and it would be unfair to judge him on that season.
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Post by AztecBill on May 3, 2016 16:32:55 GMT -8
I like Hoetzel's game, but Shrigs is WAY ahead of Max, and will definitely be getting 20 minutes a game next year. Could battle Teki/Allen for the starting spot at 3.
Whether you start or bring Izundu off the bench doesn't matter. He adds rim protection either with the front 5 or the back 4, and more so when needed in the right situations. Pope & Z want (& should have) time on the court together, and that's something the coaching staff tried to emphasize down the stretch this past season. Whereas earlier it was Pope OR Z, later on they did all they could to have both on the floor. See the same next year.
Max may have to wait a year to be a big time contributor, which is fine. He'll only be a Soph. I see much of the same next year as last year, except Izundu off the bench.
Starters: Hemsley, Kell, Allen, Pope, Z
Rotation - 6 minutes: Kell, Teki, Shrigs, Narain, Izundu
JH for Kell after 3-4 minutes, much like this past year.
Starters back after 10-12..., or could stay with more D' or go more O', depending on matchups.
Terrific flexibility and extremely deep. The key will be how fast we find our identity, and whether Pope can step into & adequately fill Shep's role as a leader, or will that come from Shrigs, Allen & Kell? Rebounding will once again be key, but think we're loaded there.
Exciting times. Just glad Ernie finally pulled his head out of his a#@.
Shrigley will be far behind Allen and Teki, not sure why he wouldn't be I wouldn't be so sure on that point. Shrigley worked hard last off season. Reports were positive about his shooting. His injury derailed any chance of accurately measuring where he would have been last season without that injury. I expect him to work hard again and make the coaches job a difficult one. His defense is good - not DA level...but who is? Speaking of DA. What got into him mid-season? He went from being a very tentative offensive player to driving the lane with abandon. I sure hope we see more of the "driving the lane with abandon" DA next season.
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Post by AztecBill on May 3, 2016 16:43:55 GMT -8
I have never understood why this coaching staff has pigeon-holed Shrigley into this stereotypical exclusive role of the white guy 3-point shooter. He actually is a really good baseline slasher to the hoop, but hasn't done that for a year or two at all, I assume per coaching staff direction. And as others have stated, he isn't really that great of an outside shooter in the first place. Why not just let him be a basketball player? He is actually a good defender when healthy, but clearly last season he wasn't 100% and it would be unfair to judge him on that season. That is on him. He needs to fake a few 3s and drive the baseline. All he really needs is another Winston Shepard. We really need a player who will hit our outside shooters with crisp chest high passes off penetration that frees the shooter. I am afraid we will not have that player next year.
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Post by AztecBill on May 3, 2016 16:52:23 GMT -8
So who told us to move on when we were placed on his restricted list? Probably the same ones who don't celebrate verbals because they can change their mind
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Post by Gundo on May 3, 2016 17:58:24 GMT -8
Why bother with Fresneck and UNLVomit?
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2016 19:17:41 GMT -8
Izundu fills a very important need for the Aztecs a very experienced player from a P5 school that wants to play the 5 , that has played against some very good players . He likes to play D and rebound . Sure hope we can sign him .
Reports came out last summer . How Skylar had really improved offensively , same with Dakari's shooting and Matt had also ........ When it came to the season , the biggest improvements were IMO Trey as he went back to the 2 position , Malik really improved his D , Dakari started out decent on his outside shot but then slipped and contributed most when he, as mentioned, attacked the basket ( plus his stealth D ) . Matt was injured so gets an incomplete grade . You can spin it in either direction - depending on your thoughts on Matt pro or con . He did get ample opportunity when he returned . Again open for opinions on his production . Bottom line he and others need to prove it on the court in 2016 . One thing that I seriously doubt, is that the coaches told Matt Not to drive to the basket , they usually have encouraged him and others to continue to take their open shots or create them .
We have a wide variety of players that can play numerous positions, with different skills as needed . As of today we have 11 scholarship players . Nothing settled about if Izundu signs , he does bring a lot more of things to the court that we need especially in areas we need D , rebounding and experience . Malik is also still a question mark if he comes back . Offense that he brings is very important and if he can continue to improve on D . Trey and JH at the guards then Most of the other players talked about are also major questions , how and where they fit in to the 2016 team , Nolan , Teki , Zylan , Dakari , . plus the M & M's ( Matt & Max ) and Jay MaC 's roles , plus D'Williams . Summer School work outs for the guys that are enrolled and then fall practice .
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Post by AztecBill on May 3, 2016 23:00:54 GMT -8
I highly suspect: Izundu visits SDSU and will commit, if the Aztecs offer. The other trips are a backup plan. The Aztecs don't know if they will offer. There is more to an offer than just basketball. They will bring him in and get a feel for the man he is and probably do some more due diligence before making an offer.
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Post by standiego on May 4, 2016 10:13:58 GMT -8
Izundu is entering his senior season . So would guess he would want to get a realistic look at the schools he is interested in playing for , contrast and compare to see the best fit . What could also help the Aztecs is that the majority of guys that will be playing here next year will be here . Not sure about UNLV or even Fresno ? Incoming new players know that coaches give you the sales pitch , real story comes when the "recruit" talks to the players that he will playing with . What are the school and the coaches really all about .
Izundu is a smart guy 3.0 GPA , so sure he wants to get complete picture of the school, coaches and players that are best for him .
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Post by sdcoug on May 4, 2016 11:47:38 GMT -8
I highly suspect: Izundu visits SDSU and will commit, if the Aztecs offer. The other trips are a backup plan. The Aztecs don't know if they will offer. There is more to an offer than just basketball. They will bring him in and get a feel for the man he is and probably do some more due diligence before making an offer. Agreed. Unless Fresno's telling him the Brazilian kid is going to RS or half their incoming class won't qualify, there's really no reason to go there. As someone else said, UNLV would be great place for someone who's a 1-year impact offensive player and/or someone on a 2-3 year plan. Lots of PT next year & beyond. But for a 1-year role player like Izundu it doesn't seem like the best fit right now even though he'd literally take the place of Obepka (sp?).
Would be great to see Izundu on the Mesa & Que in Boise.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 11:54:01 GMT -8
I think a 5th year guy would want to go somewhere where he would have a chance to play meaningful minute - easily the most important factor - and secondly, a chance to play in March Madness. Of the schools he is looking at, SDSU has to be a strong leader for him (his personal preference). If we offer, he will jump at it. No reason not to.
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Post by standiego on May 4, 2016 12:57:47 GMT -8
As our coaches tell us . Now it is your current and some times former players that are your best recruiters . When Izundu comes here he will actually be allowed to talk with the current squad to get their opinions . At UNLV how many guys are there to chat with and how long have they known their coach , or even assistants ( have they been named ? ) Fresno is their roster still in fluctuation , how many guys do they have on their roster - on over load compared to UNLV ?
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Post by Gundo on May 5, 2016 0:42:23 GMT -8
It's just a matter of time, he accepts on the SDSU visit and doesn't bother with Fresno and Las Vegas, both plan B. As a grad transfer you want to have the best chance to get into MM coming from a team that went 1-17 in the PAC.
Plus he has been at Viejas and saw the energy in the area. He played at U of Hou, Wazzu and now dare I saw the Aztecs. The planets have lined up for him. With an 3 PPG career average it must be nice for this kid to get this much attention and focus on his past achievements.
it sure will make the layup line a little more exciting, Z, Pope, McD, Teki, Germ, plenty of Instagram videos to get posted.
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Post by standiego on May 5, 2016 4:46:18 GMT -8
Izundu is a fit for the Aztecs at what we need a true 5 ,that is experienced (with a good GPA) , plays D , and can rebound .Z , Nolan and Jalen have not been guys that have much experience at the 5 at the college level. Not much of a scorer but neither was Skylar. This became a major deal because of the idiotic coach at WSU . We did not sign the JC guy that went to the Ducks so Izundu is the hope ,if he signs at being one of the guys playing the 5 for at least 2016 season .
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