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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2016 8:47:44 GMT -8
I'm not interested in Que, we have lots of wing depth.We still have Kell, MGC, Dakarai, Shrigley, as well as Zylan can play some 3 and Hoetzel can play a bit of 3 (though I think he's a better option at 4) forgot Pope also if he comes back. I'd be interested in getting a sitout transfer wing that's very talented but not a grad guy. But I'm talking about SG and emergency backup PG. If we lose Hemlsey or Kell for an extended period of time we are in big trouble. I think Que could give us another version of what Kell brings to the table. Plus he can create his own shot which last years team struggled with. I just saw how thin we were in the back court when Hemsley wasn't at 100% and everyone mentioned doesn't really fit the same mold of those two guys. If one of them has to miss a game or two and the other is in foul trouble a back court of Dakarai and/or Shrigley and/or Williams isn't ideal. Doesn't matter anyway because we aren't going after him and we still need to land Izundu. If we don't land Izundu we have a bigger hole to fill anyways. Que's a terrific kid & a spectacular shooter. Best practice shooter I've ever seen, although that has yet to really transfer to games. However, Que isn't a ball handler so could never play the point, and is a horrific defender.
You can never have enough shooters on your team nor enough talent, and Que would upgrade both. However, he's a terrible fit.
I think he'll end up at Western Kentucky or Boise, and he'd be a terrific fit at both places. Boise would hide him in a zone, and he'd be great in Drmic's old spot.
Izundu, on the other hand......
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 8:49:30 GMT -8
Would think we are by far and away the leader. He would be huge for us. Play 15-25 minutes a game depending on the matchup.
Hemsley Kell Teki Malik Izundu
Zylan, Allen, Hoetzel, Norain Shrigley off the bench.
Word is Jalen McDaniels is REALLY good as well. Heard rumblings he could push some of our guys for minutes if they haven't improved.
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2016 8:52:15 GMT -8
Fresno has a need but doesn't have scholies available. Yea, I don't get that. They must not expect some of those who just committed verbally (e.g. the kid from Brazil - Rojas, or the brothers McDowell-White) to actually make it to FSU? They have 15 either signed or committed.
They have Edu, Carter & Russo, plus the Rojas kid who could be a prime RS candidate, so they do have a need for a big-big like Izundu. But I'll be curious to see who doesn't end up in Fresno among their commits/signings?
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Post by jibron on May 3, 2016 8:54:43 GMT -8
There will be a lot of competition at the SG, SF, and PF positions this upcoming season.
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Post by Gundo on May 3, 2016 8:59:45 GMT -8
Why visit Fresno, their current scholarship players are: 4 Sr, 4 Jr, 1 Soph, 6 Frosh = 15 and the NCAA limits them to 13.
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 3, 2016 9:00:24 GMT -8
Speaking of Perez, I wonder why he hasn't transferred. The little that I saw of him indicates that he's a pretty good player, good enough to be a serious contributor on a number of DI teams, not to mention DII.
It's the problem confronting many good players recruited by Top-50 schools only to find that they are at best #9 in the team's rotation. I guess that Chol could be cited as an example.
If I'm a good but not necessarily great H.S. senior, I would have to consider this issue. If I'm a 4-star or 5-star athlete, I will probably (though not certainly) be a regular. If I'm a 3-star athlete, I may get a lot of bench time if I join a team with a strong program; especially if the school is a member of the top basketball conferences*.
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* As listed by Sagarin:
1 BIG 12 2 ATLANTIC COAST 3 BIG EAST 4 BIG TEN 5 PAC-12 6 SOUTHEASTERN 7 AMERICAN ATHLETIC 8 ATLANTIC 10
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2016 9:04:36 GMT -8
Would think we are by far and away the leader. He would be huge for us. Play 15-25 minutes a game depending on the matchup. Hemsley Kell Teki Malik Izundu Zylan, Allen, Hoetzel, Norain Shrigley off the bench. Word is Jalen McDaniels is REALLY good as well. Heard rumblings he could push some of our guys for minutes if they haven't improved. With Izundu playing 15-25 per I love this team. He's the perfect bridge at center, allowing Narain to grow into his game without the pressure of being a critical cog on the middle. Gives us a real banger, which is needed.
I think Allen & Z start over Teki & Izundu though - coach likes guys who've been in our rotation already. Of course we could go D - Izundu & Allen, which would be FORMATABLE, or we could go O - Z & Teki/Shrigs. GREAT flexibility.
For the 13th spot I'd expect to see a true transfer - don't think we need anyone else in the rotation. Maybe even a RS PG (Watson?) or a big to step in when Izundu & Pope leave & provide depth? Narain & Z will be more experienced, and McD should have matured, but we'd still need another inside guy in case we don't add anyone in '17.
One thing that's forgotten in all this, assuming Izundu comes here, is what this means to Norain & McDaniels, etc. in practice. Providing them, or ANY of our guys, a big defender inside when practicing/playing over the summer will prepare them to go against big guys during the year.
As for FSU & UNLV, I can see the allure to UNLV. Other than Morgan & Dembele, who do they have? He could get 25+ minutes & the ball more often, plus it's a terrific program. Great facilities; Menzies isn't Rice (& that's a compliment). I still think they end up with another grad transfer as well, but they're still thin, unless Carter returns.
Don't see FSU.
Think Izundu signs in mid May & doesn't even visit the others.
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2016 9:11:23 GMT -8
Speaking of Perez, I wonder why he hasn't transferred. The little that I saw of him indicates that he's a pretty good player, good enough to be a serious contributor on a number of DI teams, not to mention DII. It's the problem confronting many good players recruited by Top-50 schools only to find that they are at best #9 in the team's rotation. I guess that Chol could be cited as an example. Not everyone is about PT. Williams is a prime example - he simply loves SDSU, enjoys winning & his buddies, is here for school, even though he could get a LOT of minutes at a lower tier D1 program and definitely at a D2.
Perez has an outside shot at getting the 13th scholarship this year. He may yet transfer, but my guess is he'll give it 1 more year, and maybe more depending on what's important to him. Kids like Williams - those who are willing to play less but really help the team in practice, are critical on every team.
I'm hoping Perez is one of those. His best shot here would be waiting for Shrigs & Allen to graduate and seeing how things shake out.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 9:15:26 GMT -8
Would think we are by far and away the leader. He would be huge for us. Play 15-25 minutes a game depending on the matchup. Hemsley Kell Teki Malik Izundu Zylan, Allen, Hoetzel, Norain Shrigley off the bench. Word is Jalen McDaniels is REALLY good as well. Heard rumblings he could push some of our guys for minutes if they haven't improved. With Izundu playing 15-25 per I love this team. He's the perfect bridge at center, allowing Narain to grow into his game without the pressure of being a critical cog on the middle. Gives us a real banger, which is needed.
I think Allen & Z start over Teki & Izundu though - coach likes guys who've been in our rotation already. Of course we could go D - Izundu & Allen, which would be FORMATABLE, or we could go O - Z & Teki/Shrigs. GREAT flexibility.
For the 13th spot I'd expect to see a true transfer - don't think we need anyone else in the rotation. Maybe even a RS PG (Watson?) or a big to step in when Izundu & Pope leave & provide depth? Narain & Z will be more experienced, and McD should have matured, but we'd still need another inside guy in case we don't add anyone in '17.
One thing that's forgotten in all this, assuming Izundu comes here, is what this means to Norain & McDaniels, etc. in practice. Providing them, or ANY of our guys, a big defender inside when practicing/playing over the summer will prepare them to go against big guys during the year.
As for FSU & UNLV, I can see the allure to UNLV. Other than Morgan & Dembele, who do they have? He could get 25+ minutes & the ball more often, plus it's a terrific program. Great facilities; Menzies isn't Rice (& that's a compliment). I still think they end up with another grad transfer as well, but they're still thin, unless Carter returns.
Don't see FSU.
Think Izundu signs in mid May & doesn't even visit the others.
If we can get enough offense out of Trey, Germ, and Malik then I could see Allen starting over Teki but I can't see Izundu coming off the bench for Zylan. We need a shot blocking rim protector too much which, at this point in his career, Malik is not. The idea of bringing Teki, Hoetzel, and Zylan off the bench makes my mouth water. So much offense without losing much on defense. I can't see Shrigley playing more than 10 minutes a game next year unless there are some injuries.
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Post by fisherville on May 3, 2016 9:16:58 GMT -8
I just wish that we would go after his teammate Que Johnson as well. He's a career 37% shooter from 3 and a 77% FT shooter. He could be the 3rd guard behind Kell & Hemsley and easily fill in if one of them went down for an extended period of time or gets in foul trouble. It would give us depth and another veteran plus a guy to have on the court in the final minutes of a close game. It's only for one year so it doesn't hurt us but gives us that depth and talent to make a run in the NCAA Tournament. The other side of the argument is that we don't have any open scholarships if a really good mid year transfer wants to come in. But I think we should go all in for next year. He's a poor ball handler, not sure why you'd want him at PG and we have multiple better SG options
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2016 9:29:23 GMT -8
With Izundu playing 15-25 per I love this team. He's the perfect bridge at center, allowing Narain to grow into his game without the pressure of being a critical cog on the middle. Gives us a real banger, which is needed.
I think Allen & Z start over Teki & Izundu though - coach likes guys who've been in our rotation already. Of course we could go D - Izundu & Allen, which would be FORMATABLE, or we could go O - Z & Teki/Shrigs. GREAT flexibility.
For the 13th spot I'd expect to see a true transfer - don't think we need anyone else in the rotation. Maybe even a RS PG (Watson?) or a big to step in when Izundu & Pope leave & provide depth? Narain & Z will be more experienced, and McD should have matured, but we'd still need another inside guy in case we don't add anyone in '17.
One thing that's forgotten in all this, assuming Izundu comes here, is what this means to Norain & McDaniels, etc. in practice. Providing them, or ANY of our guys, a big defender inside when practicing/playing over the summer will prepare them to go against big guys during the year.
As for FSU & UNLV, I can see the allure to UNLV. Other than Morgan & Dembele, who do they have? He could get 25+ minutes & the ball more often, plus it's a terrific program. Great facilities; Menzies isn't Rice (& that's a compliment). I still think they end up with another grad transfer as well, but they're still thin, unless Carter returns.
Don't see FSU.
Think Izundu signs in mid May & doesn't even visit the others.
If we can get enough offense out of Trey, Germ, and Malik then I could see Allen starting over Teki but I can't see Izundu coming off the bench for Zylan. We need a shot blocking rim protector too much which, at this point in his career, Malik is not. The idea of bringing Teki, Hoetzel, and Zylan off the bench makes my mouth water. So much offense without losing much on defense. I can't see Shrigley playing more than 10 minutes a game next year unless there are some injuries. I like Hoetzel's game, but Shrigs is WAY ahead of Max, and will definitely be getting 20 minutes a game next year. Could battle Teki/Allen for the starting spot at 3.
Whether you start or bring Izundu off the bench doesn't matter. He adds rim protection either with the front 5 or the back 4, and more so when needed in the right situations. Pope & Z want (& should have) time on the court together, and that's something the coaching staff tried to emphasize down the stretch this past season. Whereas earlier it was Pope OR Z, later on they did all they could to have both on the floor. See the same next year.
Max may have to wait a year to be a big time contributor, which is fine. He'll only be a Soph. I see much of the same next year as last year, except Izundu off the bench.
Starters: Hemsley, Kell, Allen, Pope, Z
Rotation - 6 minutes: Kell, Teki, Shrigs, Narain, Izundu
JH for Kell after 3-4 minutes, much like this past year.
Starters back after 10-12..., or could stay with more D' or go more O', depending on matchups.
Terrific flexibility and extremely deep. The key will be how fast we find our identity, and whether Pope can step into & adequately fill Shep's role as a leader, or will that come from Shrigs, Allen & Kell? Rebounding will once again be key, but think we're loaded there.
Exciting times. Just glad Ernie finally pulled his head out of his a#@.
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Post by hoobs on May 3, 2016 10:00:53 GMT -8
Hmmm, odds on him committing by the 14th... pretty decent?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 10:03:00 GMT -8
If we can get enough offense out of Trey, Germ, and Malik then I could see Allen starting over Teki but I can't see Izundu coming off the bench for Zylan. We need a shot blocking rim protector too much which, at this point in his career, Malik is not. The idea of bringing Teki, Hoetzel, and Zylan off the bench makes my mouth water. So much offense without losing much on defense. I can't see Shrigley playing more than 10 minutes a game next year unless there are some injuries. I like Hoetzel's game, but Shrigs is WAY ahead of Max, and will definitely be getting 20 minutes a game next year. Could battle Teki/Allen for the starting spot at 3.
Whether you start or bring Izundu off the bench doesn't matter. He adds rim protection either with the front 5 or the back 4, and more so when needed in the right situations. Pope & Z want (& should have) time on the court together, and that's something the coaching staff tried to emphasize down the stretch this past season. Whereas earlier it was Pope OR Z, later on they did all they could to have both on the floor. See the same next year.
Max may have to wait a year to be a big time contributor, which is fine. He'll only be a Soph. I see much of the same next year as last year, except Izundu off the bench.
Starters: Hemsley, Kell, Allen, Pope, Z
Rotation - 6 minutes: Kell, Teki, Shrigs, Narain, Izundu
JH for Kell after 3-4 minutes, much like this past year.
Starters back after 10-12..., or could stay with more D' or go more O', depending on matchups.
Terrific flexibility and extremely deep. The key will be how fast we find our identity, and whether Pope can step into & adequately fill Shep's role as a leader, or will that come from Shrigs, Allen & Kell? Rebounding will once again be key, but think we're loaded there.
Exciting times. Just glad Ernie finally pulled his head out of his a#@.
You lost me at Shrigley is WAY ahead of Max. Shrigley isn't way ahead of anybody. I can't remember the last player that frustrated me more than our athletic 6'5 shooting guard who has attempted exactly 1 free throw in his last 29 games. (He missed). He tries to be a dead eye three point shooter and has never shot above an average percentage. He's an average 3 point shooter at best, an average defender at best, and a bad offensive player in every other regard. He's shot a worse percentage in each of his 3 years here. Not sure what makes you believe the trajectory will magically change directions to such an extreme degree for him to warrant 20 minutes a game. Beers are on me if Matt Shrigley averages 20 minutes a game next year. Like I said I can't see him playing more than 10 and even that is due to Fisher's loyalty to guys who have been with him for a long time. Have to think the leadership on this team comes from the young guys.
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2016 10:22:28 GMT -8
I like Hoetzel's game, but Shrigs is WAY ahead of Max, and will definitely be getting 20 minutes a game next year. Could battle Teki/Allen for the starting spot at 3.
Whether you start or bring Izundu off the bench doesn't matter. He adds rim protection either with the front 5 or the back 4, and more so when needed in the right situations. Pope & Z want (& should have) time on the court together, and that's something the coaching staff tried to emphasize down the stretch this past season. Whereas earlier it was Pope OR Z, later on they did all they could to have both on the floor. See the same next year.
Max may have to wait a year to be a big time contributor, which is fine. He'll only be a Soph. I see much of the same next year as last year, except Izundu off the bench.
Starters: Hemsley, Kell, Allen, Pope, Z
Rotation - 6 minutes: Kell, Teki, Shrigs, Narain, Izundu
JH for Kell after 3-4 minutes, much like this past year.
Starters back after 10-12..., or could stay with more D' or go more O', depending on matchups.
Terrific flexibility and extremely deep. The key will be how fast we find our identity, and whether Pope can step into & adequately fill Shep's role as a leader, or will that come from Shrigs, Allen & Kell? Rebounding will once again be key, but think we're loaded there.
Exciting times. Just glad Ernie finally pulled his head out of his a#@.
You lost me at Shrigley is WAY ahead of Max. Shrigley isn't way ahead of anybody. I can't remember the last player that frustrated me more than our athletic 6'5 shooting guard who has attempted exactly 1 free throw in his last 29 games. (He missed). He tries to be a dead eye three point shooter and has never shot above an average percentage. He's an average 3 point shooter at best, an average defender at best, and a bad offensive player in every other regard. He's shot a worse percentage in each of his 3 years here. Not sure what makes you believe the trajectory will magically change directions to such an extreme degree for him to warrant 20 minutes a game. Beers are on me if Matt Shrigley averages 20 minutes a game next year. Like I said I can't see him playing more than 10 and even that is due to Fisher's loyalty to guys who have been with him for a long time. Have to think the leadership on this team comes from the young guys. Looking forward to the free beer.
If you take away Shrigs first 3 games, when he was just getting his legs, he shot 38% from 3, and I also believe he'll be more aggressive with the ball w/o the knee injury haunting him next year. He's also a better defender than people give him credit.
I'm just basing the Max v Shrigs comparison on watching them both in practice late this past season. Max will be good, but Shrigs is way ahead of him.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on May 3, 2016 10:46:07 GMT -8
You lost me at Shrigley is WAY ahead of Max. Shrigley isn't way ahead of anybody. I can't remember the last player that frustrated me more than our athletic 6'5 shooting guard who has attempted exactly 1 free throw in his last 29 games. (He missed). He tries to be a dead eye three point shooter and has never shot above an average percentage. He's an average 3 point shooter at best, an average defender at best, and a bad offensive player in every other regard. He's shot a worse percentage in each of his 3 years here. Not sure what makes you believe the trajectory will magically change directions to such an extreme degree for him to warrant 20 minutes a game. Beers are on me if Matt Shrigley averages 20 minutes a game next year. Like I said I can't see him playing more than 10 and even that is due to Fisher's loyalty to guys who have been with him for a long time. Have to think the leadership on this team comes from the young guys. Looking forward to the free beer.
If you take away Shrigs first 3 games, when he was just getting his legs, he shot 38% from 3, and I also believe he'll be more aggressive with the ball w/o the knee injury haunting him next year. He's also a better defender than people give him credit.
I'm just basing the Max v Shrigs comparison on watching them both in practice late this past season. Max will be good, but Shrigs is way ahead of him.
While I LOVE Matt's game and team leadership...objectively he was a step slower than many of the guards he defended against late last season... I'm chalking it up to still rehabing the knee...hopefully he'll be fully recovered by the start of the season (I'm not convinced that he was really in game shape at the end of last season)... I'm rooting for him either way...
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Post by biotec on May 3, 2016 10:58:04 GMT -8
I'm rooting for free beer.
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Post by jibron on May 3, 2016 11:05:48 GMT -8
I'm rooting for free beer. Now if they only sold some at Viejas..
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 12:09:38 GMT -8
We need his size and could really use the additional fouls. If he can give us rebounding, shot blocking, or even some points that would be a helluva bonus.
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Post by AztecMyke on May 3, 2016 12:16:37 GMT -8
Agree with that statement. There would be no need to make any more visits once he comes here.
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Post by fisherville on May 3, 2016 12:43:24 GMT -8
If we can get enough offense out of Trey, Germ, and Malik then I could see Allen starting over Teki but I can't see Izundu coming off the bench for Zylan. We need a shot blocking rim protector too much which, at this point in his career, Malik is not. The idea of bringing Teki, Hoetzel, and Zylan off the bench makes my mouth water. So much offense without losing much on defense. I can't see Shrigley playing more than 10 minutes a game next year unless there are some injuries. I like Hoetzel's game, but Shrigs is WAY ahead of Max, and will definitely be getting 20 minutes a game next year. Could battle Teki/Allen for the starting spot at 3.
Whether you start or bring Izundu off the bench doesn't matter. He adds rim protection either with the front 5 or the back 4, and more so when needed in the right situations. Pope & Z want (& should have) time on the court together, and that's something the coaching staff tried to emphasize down the stretch this past season. Whereas earlier it was Pope OR Z, later on they did all they could to have both on the floor. See the same next year.
Max may have to wait a year to be a big time contributor, which is fine. He'll only be a Soph. I see much of the same next year as last year, except Izundu off the bench.
Starters: Hemsley, Kell, Allen, Pope, Z
Rotation - 6 minutes: Kell, Teki, Shrigs, Narain, Izundu
JH for Kell after 3-4 minutes, much like this past year.
Starters back after 10-12..., or could stay with more D' or go more O', depending on matchups.
Terrific flexibility and extremely deep. The key will be how fast we find our identity, and whether Pope can step into & adequately fill Shep's role as a leader, or will that come from Shrigs, Allen & Kell? Rebounding will once again be key, but think we're loaded there.
Exciting times. Just glad Ernie finally pulled his head out of his a#@.
Shrigley will be far behind Allen and Teki, not sure why he wouldn't be
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