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Post by OldSlowWhiteBaller on Feb 13, 2016 17:06:01 GMT -8
I don't know about a BIG difference maker, but 7 footers who can shoot,rebound and block shots don't grow on trees. Looks like he has game at the JC level and let's leave it to coaches to decide if to offer or not. I would take a chance, genes or no genes even though Dad was a decent player.
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Post by DeeMoney on Feb 13, 2016 17:10:43 GMT -8
Honest question why are people convinced this guy is a big difference maker? And don't answer with his parents genes Positional Scarcity- if he were a guard of relatively equal talent we probably would not be as amped; but you cant coach 7 feet
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 13, 2016 23:59:08 GMT -8
Honest question why are people convinced this guy is a big difference maker? And don't answer with his parents genes I know I'm not.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Feb 14, 2016 7:04:22 GMT -8
Honest question why are people convinced this guy is a big difference maker? And don't answer with his parents genes I don't know if he would be able to contribute at this level but we have no true center and you need depth there. Maybe he can alter a few shots, get a rebound or two and only give us a couple minutes but getting depth at center and point guard are our two biggest needs. So he's a good option to have if we can't land a graduate transfer.
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Post by OldSlowWhiteBaller on Feb 14, 2016 10:31:10 GMT -8
Honest question why are people convinced this guy is a big difference maker? And don't answer with his parents genes I don't know if he would be able to contribute at this level but we have no true center and you need depth there. Maybe he can alter a few shots, get a rebound or two and only give us a couple minutes but getting depth at center and point guard are our two biggest needs. So he's a good option to have if we can't land a graduate transfer. We have Gill-Caesar at #2/#3 and Shrigley/ Hoetzel at #3, Narain at #4/5, Jalen McDaniel at #4......IMO....We need a true #5 be it a Graduate Transfer or Mr Allen from the JC ranks. If he has game I prefer Leonard Allen Jr for 3 years......just feed the young man! 7' and 215? Needs to add about 25 pounds!
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 14, 2016 11:31:07 GMT -8
I don't know if he would be able to contribute at this level but we have no true center and you need depth there. Maybe he can alter a few shots, get a rebound or two and only give us a couple minutes but getting depth at center and point guard are our two biggest needs. So he's a good option to have if we can't land a graduate transfer. We have Gill-Caesar at #2/#3 and Shrigley/ Hoetzel at #3, Narain at #4/5, Jalen McDaniel at #4......IMO....We need a true #5 be it a Graduate Transfer or Mr Allen from the JC ranks. If he has game I prefer Leonard Allen Jr for 3 years......just feed the young man! 7' and 215? Needs to add about 25 pounds! You don't NEED a true center in today's game. I'd much rather go small with greater talent than force a lesser player in the lineup solely due to size. He could be a good 9th or 10th man for specific matchups, but he wouldn't really pay dividends until his 2nd or 3rd year. By then we hopefully would have recruited over him.
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Post by OldSlowWhiteBaller on Feb 14, 2016 11:45:22 GMT -8
We have Gill-Caesar at #2/#3 and Shrigley/ Hoetzel at #3, Narain at #4/5, Jalen McDaniel at #4......IMO....We need a true #5 be it a Graduate Transfer or Mr Allen from the JC ranks. If he has game I prefer Leonard Allen Jr for 3 years......just feed the young man! 7' and 215? Needs to add about 25 pounds! You don't NEED a true center in today's game. I'd much rather go small with greater talent than force a lesser player in the lineup solely due to size. He could be a good 9th or 10th man for specific matchups, but he wouldn't really pay dividends until his 2nd or 3rd year. By then we hopefully would have recruited over him. I do not want him on the team just because he is a 7 footer. I do not want him on the team if all he can do is sub for someone for 4-8 minutes a game. He need not be Wilt Chamberlain, but must be able to be productive and contribute. The coaches will make this decision. I hope his game is good enough to do at the NCAA Div 1 level, what he has accomplished at the JC level. My mind is abuzz thinking of a front line of 7', and 2 6'10" guys that can ball and get the ball down the hoop! EDIT: Coach will always put his best players on the court as that seems to be his standard operating procedure. That tall front line I mention above of course wuld have to fit that previous sentence. Malik and Z and if were to get a 7' with solid Div 1 talent?? Hell yes!
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Post by standiego on Feb 14, 2016 12:55:52 GMT -8
As some may realize you do need a couple of guys at the 5 position , on both offense and defense . Guys that can rebound and defend against the other teams 5 . We may not see great 5 's the MW but there top 25 teams that do have them and it can be difference makers . Skylar did not start out as a the "difference maker" on the Aztecs but has done his role on this Aztec team . Some taller players do take longer to develop . Is Leonard, as good as Angelo or could he be better by his junior or senior season . He may not be a stud but a part of the missing piece to the puzzle the team needs.
We lose both 5's this year . 2016 roster, Nolan who played the 4 in HS is learning the position . Zylan started out this year on fire but is still learning and primarily plays the 4 . J. McDaniels has said he prefers to play the 4 - he also is only 180 pounds ( same weight as Dakari). So the 5 position is pretty untested . Again do not need an all star there but need defender ,rebounder . We have 11 scholarships so do we need to try Leonard or another 5 or give Ben Perez(with over load at the guard position ) the scholarship.? It is not that easy getting/signing guys to play the 5 at SDSU - look at this past recruiting .
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Post by DeeMoney on Feb 14, 2016 13:04:39 GMT -8
We may not need a true center in the traditional "back to the basket scorer, defend the post" line. But we need a true "rim protector", to use the modern term. We need someone who can force penetrators to adjust their shots, send a few shots into the bleachers, pull ORBs, AND (shoudld the issue present itself) be able to body up against teams that do have a back to basket scorer.
We need as close to SkyRod as we can find.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 14, 2016 22:30:04 GMT -8
We may not need a true center in the traditional "back to the basket scorer, defend the post" line. But we need a true "rim protector", to use the modern term. We need someone who can force penetrators to adjust their shots, send a few shots into the bleachers, pull ORBs, AND (shoudld the issue present itself) be able to body up against teams that do have a back to basket scorer. We need as close to SkyRod as we can find. I agree. I don't think this guy would be that at this level, at least not for a couple seasons. He's a project. If we could afford to RS him, yea maybe, but we need that more for next year while Norain and McD learn and develop. In 2 years we will need him much less, and there are a lot of good 2017 bigs. For next year we need someone experienced (transfer), or go small with talent. To quote Fish, (if we don't add another person) force them to guard us...can you see a big guy guarding Zylan 15 feet from the rim.... We have length. We may not have one single rim protector, but we have athletes who can defend and block plenty of shots. Maybe 11-12% block rate vs. 15%. Z and Pope should be significantly better on ball defenders as well. I actually think we will be fine. We may not be top 5 in blocks, but look at Nevada? Top 10 nationally in blocks without anyone over 6'8. Oklahoma blocks a bunch of shots based on speed not size. Virginia is one of the best defensive teams in the country and doesn't really have a rim protector. Fundamentals are a lot more important, especially when you already have length. Plus, if you're talking 4-5 minutes a game how much "rim protection" is that, really? Give me speed and footwork over a big guy who's a borderline player at our level any time.
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Post by standiego on Feb 15, 2016 7:56:00 GMT -8
I and most on here do not really know how good Leonard is or could be .Add to the fact that SDSU has a hard time attracting guys that play the 5 - that can be any one 6 '9" or above that may play a lot with their back to the basket . Bottom line we did not sign Cage, Kone, Stanfield .... Can we take a look at 2016 , as of today in the front court . We lose both 5's Skylar and Angelo , Winston 3/4. A lot of experience and defense . Nolan is a 4 learning to play the 5 , could be our best shooting 5 in a very long time but untested at the 5 for defense and rebounding. Zylan great amount of energy at the 4 but still draws a lot of fouls , but is a red shirt freshman . Could he defend Zimmerman at UNLV ? Malik not really a 5 . Max is a 6'8" SF ( taller version of Shrigley ,primarily spot shooter). Jalen has a very slight frame - was about 180 pounds same weight as Dakari but is 6'9", has said he would prefer to play the 4 . Would guess if PT is available would play the 5 .
As of today no one knows if there is a grad transfer ?, we will not know until after most teams have finished their seasons .March into April . So is there a Grad Transfer ?, another JC transfer or Leonard ?. We have 11 scholarships accounted for so that could mean we have at least 1 to use getting the best guy we can .If the goal is SW16 or better we will be facing some teams with quality guys that play the 5 . We play in the T in Hawaii - will Utah have another top center not sure ? other teams we will face ?
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Post by originalshow00 on Feb 18, 2016 20:14:19 GMT -8
I don't know if he would be able to contribute at this level but we have no true center and you need depth there. Maybe he can alter a few shots, get a rebound or two and only give us a couple minutes but getting depth at center and point guard are our two biggest needs. So he's a good option to have if we can't land a graduate transfer. We have Gill-Caesar at #2/#3 and Shrigley/ Hoetzel at #3, Narain at #4/5, Jalen McDaniel at #4......IMO....We need a true #5 be it a Graduate Transfer or Mr Allen from the JC ranks. If he has game I prefer Leonard Allen Jr for 3 years......just feed the young man! 7' and 215? Needs to add about 25 pounds! We need him bad he will gain weight on scholarship at SDSU.Yes we do need a seven foot center without one we will never get past the sweet 16.What is taking so long to give this guy an offer?It is literally killing me.Anything is better than Spenser or Chol.
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Post by sdpads24 on Feb 18, 2016 22:22:04 GMT -8
We have Gill-Caesar at #2/#3 and Shrigley/ Hoetzel at #3, Narain at #4/5, Jalen McDaniel at #4......IMO....We need a true #5 be it a Graduate Transfer or Mr Allen from the JC ranks. If he has game I prefer Leonard Allen Jr for 3 years......just feed the young man! 7' and 215? Needs to add about 25 pounds! We need him bad he will gain weight on scholarship at SDSU.Yes we do need a seven foot center without one we will never get past the sweet 16.What is taking so long to give this guy an offer?It is literally killing me. Anything is better than Spenser or Chol. I'm going to pretend I didn't read this. While I understand the frustration watching both players at times, Spencer will go down as one of the best bigs in Aztec history.
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Post by originalshow00 on Feb 18, 2016 22:28:47 GMT -8
We need him bad he will gain weight on scholarship at SDSU.Yes we do need a seven foot center without one we will never get past the sweet 16.What is taking so long to give this guy an offer?It is literally killing me. Anything is better than Spenser or Chol. I'm going to pretend I didn't read this. While I understand the frustration watching both players at times, Spencer will go down as one of the best bigs in Aztec history. Yes for shot blocking definitely not scoring.
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Post by sdpads24 on Feb 18, 2016 22:49:39 GMT -8
I'm going to pretend I didn't read this. While I understand the frustration watching both players at times, Spencer will go down as one of the best bigs in Aztec history. Yes for shot blocking definitely not scoring. I agree his offensive game is terrible. But to say that "anyone is better than Spencer or Chol," is crazy. Both have huge impacts for us on the floor and the 5 position is the main question mark going into next season.
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Post by fisherville on Feb 18, 2016 23:33:14 GMT -8
I'm going to pretend I didn't read this. While I understand the frustration watching both players at times, Spencer will go down as one of the best bigs in Aztec history. Yes for shot blocking definitely not scoring. He's the best player on the team, incase you did not notice there is more to basketball than PPG.
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Post by originalshow00 on Feb 19, 2016 7:18:08 GMT -8
Yes for shot blocking definitely not scoring. He's the best player on the team, incase you did not notice there is more to basketball than PPG. Ok also he can not rebound and shoot free throws or score any points all he does is block shots.That is why our total points per game are so low because we do not get any points out of the five position and it costs the team many games incase you did not notice.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 19, 2016 10:36:34 GMT -8
He's the best player on the team, incase you did not notice there is more to basketball than PPG. Ok also he can not rebound and shoot free throws or score any points all he does is block shots.That is why our total points per game are so low because we do not get any points out of the five position and it costs the team many games incase you did not notice. We're getting 8+ points, 9+ rebounds & nearly 3 blocked shots a game out of our "5", and they alter several shots. Sky & Chol are also the 2 best offensive rebounders on the team (w/ Z).
Sky's been solid. I'd take those stats every year. FT problems - definitely, but there are a lot of NBA'ers who fit that description as well.
There are a lot of things that have cost us games; you definitely can't pin them on Sky (or Sky/Chol). He's taken a couple bad shots at bad times, but then again, we can name several on this team who have as well.
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Post by standiego on Feb 19, 2016 10:50:34 GMT -8
As pointed out Skylar has been stellar on D . If we played some zone D , he would have even better stats , hanging in the paint. Numerous times other players guys get beat and Skylar has to defend them .
Skylar 61 FG% . 52FT% 6.1 rebounds a game second only to Winston at 6.4 .. Also take a look he only has 75 shots attempted , Ben Perez has 76 attempts. So maybe if there was a little more emphasis on the inside game, guys moving , getting open and guards actually passing the ball more instead of guys popping out for threes (29%) he would have better numbers . Skylar also seems to be the guy that sets the screen for the guards . Matt already has close to 25 shots in 7 games .
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Feb 19, 2016 14:07:41 GMT -8
He's the best player on the team, incase you did not notice there is more to basketball than PPG. Ok also he can not rebound and shoot free throws or score any points all he does is block shots.That is why our total points per game are so low because we do not get any points out of the five position and it costs the team many games incase you did not notice. He's won us way more games than he's lost us because of his incredible defense
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