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Post by ignoranus on Dec 1, 2015 7:09:42 GMT -8
At this point in time Pope gets enough shots. The problem IS that they don't go into the basket and score points.
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Post by hoobs on Dec 1, 2015 8:14:15 GMT -8
This is truly jumping the shark.
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Post by douchey1 on Dec 1, 2015 8:32:30 GMT -8
Pope is the guy that we have who can be a big scorer. He should be having a lot of plays designed for him to try to get him the ball going to the hoop. I never see anything like that for him. Coach Fisher has him either sitting out on the three-point line looking for a three pointer or battling against the power forwards the guys that are bigger than him and he gets out matched down there because of the size. He is a three not a four. He is getting like 6 to 7 shots a game. That is an absolute joke! He should be getting a lot more shots and playing much more than 17 minutes a game. And to be honest, he did not get the Ball last year much at all either. Fisher wanted a defender he should've recruited someone else. If you were a big offensive star recruit, would you like to go to San Diego State and have him as your coach? Yes you might learn some more defense but his offense will make you look much worse lets just be honest here. Other teams must love how he is being under legalized in our offense If I was a scorer I would make my shots. I wouldn't t up at the three point line, I'd play like I was 6'10".
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Post by Xolotl on Dec 1, 2015 8:48:18 GMT -8
Ctap13 -- I'm guessing but I have the feeling you have not been around this program as long as Longtime... and I have. But, no matter. The way I see this conversation going is we ALL believe in the same end it's just how to get there that needs tweaking. Ctap13-- your right the offense needs improving .... there are conditions that are correctable .... and I too, Longtime ... and many others, agree with you. WE all want to see the best. What is troubling is your innuendos suggest that Fisher is not concerned and that's where our ideas part. Fisher is concerned ...MAJORLY. You mean to tell me a coach who takes a "dead" program and elevates it into a major program is NOT concerned. naaaah ..... His coaching staff is not made up of a bunch of yes-men. It appears to me that they are trying all kinds of things to get this team to improve. Fisher didn't want a JAM center ...... to watch movies and eat popcorn. The construction of that building alone should suffice in answering the question "is Fisher concerned about his offense". He has formulated line up changes and is playing 11 different guys, including a walk-on to figure out the puzzle. Fish and staff even use the dreaded 2-3 zone. WHAT!! Ctap13-- you may be right ... the coaching staff may not be the best offensive directors in the game, and maybe Fish needs to look into that hire. But to suggest that they don't give a damn and haven't for a long time is unsettling to many of us who have seen this program rise like a phoenix . I believe that Fisher designs his attacks to fit his players. His players now need to respond. It's not coaching it is execution. thanks for caring ... we want the same end. Lets hope that things will change. GO A ZTECS X
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Post by standiego on Dec 1, 2015 8:48:28 GMT -8
the whole team including the coachers need to take ownership for the execution of this years team . When the D plays well Fisher and the staff are given high praise and they along with the players deserve to be commented on when they are not executing . There do need to be some modifications in the offense . More movement , quick passing , less dribbling , share the basketball , not settling for the way out threes , use the athleticism the coaches have recruited .
Long Beach State is a Need To Win Game if we are looking at MM selection .
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Post by legkick on Dec 1, 2015 8:54:09 GMT -8
The OP hasn't even identified: (1) what type of offensive plays the Aztecs run [hint: there are more than you might think] (2) why those plays don't work for the players the team has; and (3) what other types of offensive plays the Aztecs should run and why they will work better. Until he does that, his opinion is worth very little, and adds nothing to the discussion. Here is another thing that the OP is completely ignoring. If he knew Fisher's history, he would know that Fisher rewards players who play solid defense with more playing time. Pope's individual and team defense this year has been very poor. If the OP wants Pope to play more, perhaps he can work with Pope on improving his defensive skill set.
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Post by waxxon on Dec 1, 2015 8:54:42 GMT -8
If Pope was hitting from outside like most here thought he would, this type of post wouldn't even be an afterthought.
The reality, play and execute better, cut down on turnovers, rebound, play defense and make your open shots. This group is still coming together as a team and surely the coaching stage is and will make adjustments
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Post by azson on Dec 1, 2015 10:11:07 GMT -8
No, Miners22 is Tap's dad. Too bad he hasn't been around, would love to get his take.
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Post by matteosandiego on Dec 1, 2015 10:14:12 GMT -8
Offense has been our problem. OP's main premise isn't wrong. Perhaps a shooting coach to keep some of our guys consistent. Coach can't draw a play that will work when a team will let you shoot 12 feet and out, because we won't hit. I wouldn't ever act like I know even 2% of what Fisher knows about basketball, but we all see that the shooting has been bad for awhile, and sometimes a tough defense just is not enough. I think tap is being a little too caustic about it. Sure seems like Dakarai has stepped up his shooting a ton. Wonder which shooting coach came in and fixed him? None. He put in the work and is making it happen. Attitude and determination. He's a got a huge chip on his shoulder and he plays like it. No magic formula here guys.
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Post by AzTex on Dec 1, 2015 10:38:43 GMT -8
Very impressive. I guess Sacramento St. is much more successful than the Aztecs according to ctap. I wonder how many NCAA tournaments they've played in during the last few years. Or, how many rounds of 32 or Sweet 16's in those tournaments. It must be a lot more than we have since they're so good at scoring points. OK I am wrong LOL our offense is so high powered LOL what was I thinking? LOL dude we just scored 43 points at home against a horrible horrible team! Then we got completely demolished against West Virginia where we were totally Out coached ! I have a right to be upset with the offense of this team is the same crap every single year. Keep defending our offense! Lol Ok. I'll give this one last try then I'll just move on. I never said we had a high powered offense. I agree that 43 points won't win most games. We played poorly. But 90 points didn't do Sacramento St. much good either. Also I never said anything to defend our offense. I was defending the success we've had with the system we've been using. It really sounds like you'd rather lose 90-94 than win 50-46.
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Post by Xolotl on Dec 1, 2015 11:04:44 GMT -8
No, Miners22 is Tap's dad. Too bad he hasn't been around, would love to get his take. Well now, if you register under a new name, it's possible they are the same. Look at the number of posts ? food for thought, huh
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Post by sdsudevil on Dec 1, 2015 11:18:10 GMT -8
Offense has been our problem. OP's main premise isn't wrong. Perhaps a shooting coach to keep some of our guys consistent. Coach can't draw a play that will work when a team will let you shoot 12 feet and out, because we won't hit. I wouldn't ever act like I know even 2% of what Fisher knows about basketball, but we all see that the shooting has been bad for awhile, and sometimes a tough defense just is not enough. I think tap is being a little too caustic about it. Sure seems like Dakarai has stepped up his shooting a ton. Wonder which shooting coach came in and fixed him? None. He put in the work and is making it happen. Attitude and determination. He's a got a huge chip on his shoulder and he plays like it. No magic formula here guys. That's initiative, for sure. Kawhi and Jamaal were known for it too. But are you suggesting that a little time spent with a shooting coach would not help the overall offense, and that maybe just doing it on your own may actually develop bad shooting form that with a specialists guidance could fix? It's not a knock on Coach, if that is the reason you are defending bad shooting.
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Post by oldie on Dec 1, 2015 13:05:23 GMT -8
I watched a big sky game over the holiday-sac state invitational. sac state scored 90 points, on at least 60% shooting, including 3's. 90 points and LOST! 94-90. Both teams had amazing shooting, it had to be over 60% including 3's. Both teams had post players who could make 5-10 footers almost at will. A missed lay up was a shock as was a missed 3. 10 fouls called in the first half, called not committed. Refs let them play. Score 90 and loose? Defense, defense. it was not nonexistant, but close. Keep the other team from scoring less than you and you should win most of the time. I'll take Fish 99.9999999% of the time. (but 43 in a whole game, really does stink). Oh yeh-----4 tickets in g.a cost $20, total, not each. Very impressive. I guess Sacramento St. is much more successful than the Aztecs according to ctap. I wonder how many NCAA tournaments they've played in during the last few years. Or, how many rounds of 32 or Sweet 16's in those tournaments. It must be a lot more than we have since they're so good at scoring points. Point was not that they scored many points. Point was that without defense they scored 90 points and lost.
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Post by AzTex on Dec 1, 2015 13:19:52 GMT -8
Very impressive. I guess Sacramento St. is much more successful than the Aztecs according to ctap. I wonder how many NCAA tournaments they've played in during the last few years. Or, how many rounds of 32 or Sweet 16's in those tournaments. It must be a lot more than we have since they're so good at scoring points. Point was not that they scored many points. Point was that without defense they scored 90 points and lost. I understood your point completely and was agreeing with it. It's ctap that doesn't get it. He stated himself that "The objective of the game is to score points..." Your example was a perfect demonstration of the fallacy in that kind of attitude. Our success proves it as well.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 1, 2015 14:30:50 GMT -8
At this point in time Pope gets enough shots. The problem IS that they don't go into the basket and score points. With our horrible offense, 6 to 7 shots a game for Pope is horrible.....way too low for an offensive star and for a guy that's going to be going to the NBA soon. Fisher is way underutilizing him right now.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 1, 2015 14:31:44 GMT -8
Pope is the guy that we have who can be a big scorer. He should be having a lot of plays designed for him to try to get him the ball going to the hoop. I never see anything like that for him. Coach Fisher has him either sitting out on the three-point line looking for a three pointer or battling against the power forwards the guys that are bigger than him and he gets out matched down there because of the size. He is a three not a four. He is getting like 6 to 7 shots a game. That is an absolute joke! He should be getting a lot more shots and playing much more than 17 minutes a game. And to be honest, he did not get the Ball last year much at all either. Fisher wanted a defender he should've recruited someone else. If you were a big offensive star recruit, would you like to go to San Diego State and have him as your coach? Yes you might learn some more defense but his offense will make you look much worse lets just be honest here. Other teams must love how he is being under legalized in our offense If I was a scorer I would make my shots. I wouldn't t up at the three point line, I'd play like I was 6'10". I completely disagree.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 1, 2015 14:35:43 GMT -8
Ctap13 -- I'm guessing but I have the feeling you have not been around this program as long as Longtime... and I have. But, no matter. The way I see this conversation going is we ALL believe in the same end it's just how to get there that needs tweaking. Ctap13-- your right the offense needs improving .... there are conditions that are correctable .... and I too, Longtime ... and many others, agree with you. WE all want to see the best. What is troubling is your innuendos suggest that Fisher is not concerned and that's where our ideas part. Fisher is concerned ...MAJORLY. You mean to tell me a coach who takes a "dead" program and elevates it into a major program is NOT concerned. naaaah ..... His coaching staff is not made up of a bunch of yes-men. It appears to me that they are trying all kinds of things to get this team to improve. Fisher didn't want a JAM center ...... to watch movies and eat popcorn. The construction of that building alone should suffice in answering the question "is Fisher concerned about his offense". He has formulated line up changes and is playing 11 different guys, including a walk-on to figure out the puzzle. Fish and staff even use the dreaded 2-3 zone. WHAT!! Ctap13-- you may be right ... the coaching staff may not be the best offensive directors in the game, and maybe Fish needs to look into that hire. But to suggest that they don't give a damn and haven't for a long time is unsettling to many of us who have seen this program rise like a phoenix . I believe that Fisher designs his attacks to fit his players. His players now need to respond. It's not coaching it is execution. thanks for caring ... we want the same end. Lets hope that things will change. GO A ZTECS X I'm an alumni, have been a fan for a long time, and I have been a season ticket holder now for four years. Of course I appreciate for what he has done for the city of San Diego and for our school, I wish he'd focus his energy on improving our offense for a change. It surely seems all he cares about is defense. It appears to be the same offense this year as other years....boring slow down half court offense, something we are not good at. Do not understand why he will not allow us to push the tempo and run for a change.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 1, 2015 14:40:46 GMT -8
The OP hasn't even identified: (1) what type of offensive plays the Aztecs run [hint: there are more than you might think] (2) why those plays don't work for the players the team has; and (3) what other types of offensive plays the Aztecs should run and why they will work better. Until he does that, his opinion is worth very little, and adds nothing to the discussion. Here is another thing that the OP is completely ignoring. If he knew Fisher's history, he would know that Fisher rewards players who play solid defense with more playing time. Pope's individual and team defense this year has been very poor. If the OP wants Pope to play more, perhaps he can work with Pope on improving his defensive skill set. I can care less what you think. LOL. Of course I know that Fisher re-wards players to play defense which is not the best way to manage a team in my opinion. Pope has been compared to Kevin Durant is Kevin Durant a defensive specialist? No not at all. What do you get benched for not playing good defense? Not a chance in hell. I think the coach needs to start changing his philosophies and allow his team to get better in certain areas where they struggle which is mainly on the offensive side of the ball. He just appears to be so stubborn when it comes to offense. Just keep thinking of the offense is running great. Just keep thinking that 43 points is good at home against Little Rock LOL. Just keep pretending that there is not a problem but the offense when in reality really know it's a big problem.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 1, 2015 14:43:21 GMT -8
If Pope was hitting from outside like most here thought he would, this type of post wouldn't even be an afterthought. The reality, play and execute better, cut down on turnovers, rebound, play defense and make your open shots. This group is still coming together as a team and surely the coaching stage is and will make adjustments Here's the problem though.... He is not just an outside shooter. He is good off the dribble going to the basket. When Fisher talks about him, he mainly says he's a three-point shooter which is severely underutilizing him. I'm sorry but 6 to 7 shots a game for Pope is really bad.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 1, 2015 14:47:10 GMT -8
OK I am wrong LOL our offense is so high powered LOL what was I thinking? LOL dude we just scored 43 points at home against a horrible horrible team! Then we got completely demolished against West Virginia where we were totally Out coached ! I have a right to be upset with the offense of this team is the same crap every single year. Keep defending our offense! Lol Ok. I'll give this one last try then I'll just move on. I never said we had a high powered offense. I agree that 43 points won't win most games. We played poorly. But 90 points didn't do Sacramento St. much good either. Also I never said anything to defend our offense. I was defending the success we've had with the system we've been using. It really sounds like you'd rather lose 90-94 than win 50-46. No, but we we should be scoring 70 points a game especially against Little Rock at home. Should not be a big deal to focus more on the offense, especially when a team is already pretty good on the defense of end. As I brought up, every time we play a high-powered offense in the tournament we always lose because we can't score with them and keep up even though our defense still holds the other team to lower scoring numbers than they are used to.
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