Horrible offensive coaching by Steve Fisher

[ctap13]

Enough is enough! I am tired of seeing the same thing every freaking year, us not having an offense! What is the point of Coach Fisher getting all these great players when he does not allow them to use their athleticism and talents on the offense of side of the ball? So sick of having great talent and we do nothing but half-court offense all the time and we have no idea what we're doing on every set. With our athleticism and talents, we should be running teams and pushing the pace not slowing everything down to a half-court set.

Fisher should be blamed for this bad offense this year just like he should be blamed for the other years on offense. It's time for him to bring somebody in for help on the offense of side of the ball.
You guys keep blaming Pope well that is coach Fisher's job to figure out how to get him the ball and to get him shots! All he does is have him sit out there on the perimeter and if he misses a shot then people say why does he keep shooting or he gets put down at the center/Pf position where he is not big enough to play. He is way better than that. The guy is good at attacking the hoop he's not just a three-point shooter that's what coach has turned him into it feels like.Has Coach Fisher ever thought of actually designing a play for a player? A guy like that should be one of the main options for our offense and he should have Plenty of plays designed around him. I don't think he has any for pope right now how embarrassing! Yes Pope has not started out well but if I was him I would get the heck out of San Diego and go to a coach who knows how to run an offense. I honestly think recruits are starting to realize this. I mean who the heck wants to go there and have no plays designed for them? Our offense is a complete mess and Coach Fisher has had all off season to get it right!

We all love Coach Fisher for what he has done to the city of San Diego and what he has meant for our school. But we need to keep getting better as a team and that's not happening. We have had problems on the offense of side of the ball ever since he was our coach . Even when we had Billy White, Leonard, etc, we have never had a very good offense. Hell, even with the Fab 4 his offense was not that great. Something needs to change. Either he needs to bring somebody in for help on the offense of side of the ball or we need to bring somebody else in who knows what they're doing. I don't think the back of coach is our answer either as he seems to be horrible on the offensive side as well.

[legkick]

The last two and a half months of reading posts on this board went better than I thought, and I couldn't put my finger on why. Now, I remember.

[mySTRAS]

Improving offensive performance... will most likely lead to an offsetting decrease in defensive performance. At the end of the day... we probably end up in the same place.

I'm more than happy with 1 or occasionally 2 victories in March... sprinkled in with the occasional Kansas victory AND absolute turds (@ Washington last year, West Virginia).

[AztecD]

Wish I could disagree with the OP...

[sleepy]

What we need...

is Fred Trenkle. ;0)

[obboy13]

Nov 30, 2015 15:31:22 GMT -8 legkick said:

The last two and a half months of reading posts on this board went better than I thought, and I couldn't put my finger on why. Now, I remember.

+1

[aztecbb]

Kevin Acee - is that you ??

[Deleted]

You should drive down to the JAM center, bang on the door until someone opens it, barge into practice and show our 2x national coach of the year how its done.

I'm sure you know more than he does, random angry person on the internet.

[fisherville]

Your posts have and always will suck.

[biotec]

The timing of this post has me puzzled. "Enough is enough" just happened 30 minutes ago?

[matteosandiego]

Nov 30, 2015 15:25:36 GMT -8 ctap13 said:

Enough is enough! I am tired of seeing the same thing every freaking year, us not having an offense! What is the point of Coach Fisher getting all these great players when he does not allow them to use their athleticism and talents on the offense of side of the ball? So sick of having great talent and we do nothing but half-court offense all the time and we have no idea what we're doing on every set. With our athleticism and talents, we should be running teams and pushing the pace not slowing everything down to a half-court set.

Fisher should be blamed for this bad offense this year just like he should be blamed for the other years on offense. It's time for him to bring somebody in for help on the offense of side of the ball.
You guys keep blaming Pope well that is coach Fisher's job to figure out how to get him the ball and to get him shots! All he does is have him sit out there on the perimeter and if he misses a shot then people say why does he keep shooting or he gets put down at the center/Pf position where he is not big enough to play. He is way better than that. The guy is good at attacking the hoop he's not just a three-point shooter that's what coach has turned him into it feels like.Has Coach Fisher ever thought of actually designing a play for a player? A guy like that should be one of the main options for our offense and he should have Plenty of plays designed around him. I don't think he has any for pope right now how embarrassing! Yes Pope has not started out well but if I was him I would get the heck out of San Diego and go to a coach who knows how to run an offense. I honestly think recruits are starting to realize this. I mean who the heck wants to go there and have no plays designed for them? Our offense is a complete mess and Coach Fisher has had all off season to get it right!

We all love Coach Fisher for what he has done to the city of San Diego and what he has meant for our school. But we need to keep getting better as a team and that's not happening. We have had problems on the offense of side of the ball ever since he was our coach . Even when we had Billy White, Leonard, etc, we have never had a very good offense. Hell, even with the Fab 4 his offense was not that great. Something needs to change. Either he needs to bring somebody in for help on the offense of side of the ball or we need to bring somebody else in who knows what they're doing. I don't think the back of coach is our answer either as he seems to be horrible on the offensive side as well.

I agree with about 25% of this post.
While there have been times i look at Steve Fisher led teams and wonder why we dont have clean, precise, set plays like some others i see out there or what i enjoy to watch...or that we don't push tempo with this years team, there isn't much you can say about a guy whose teams are constantly making the tournament. And who has created this program which is constantly improving, using this core style.

But the other 75% i completely disagree that you think Fisher doesn't 'let' the team, or certain players, or whoever have freedom.
I think our team sometimes has too much freedom.
If Pope, or Winston, or whoever falls into patterns where they take bad shots or not the shots that you like, i think its completely on the player.
How many times have we seen Pope nonchalantly try some Kevin Durant style dribble or shot only to lose the ball, get stripped away, or just flat out clank the shot???
Fact is, these players have a tremendous amount of freedom to be creative and assert themselves into the game with their style of play.

Or Shepard for example.
The young man knows he has a quicker first step than most of his opposition.
He knows he has excellent handles for a player his size.
He knows he can drive, be aggressive and either take it to the rim and SLAM
OR
penetrate and dish to the open man.
He knows this about himself already.
We've all seen him do these things.
BUT only when he gets aggressive.
Only when its him coming off the bench.

The point i'm making is yes, the coach needs to lead the players to play at their best...
but only the young men can perform.
Look at Jamaal.
The young man was not text book by any means.
But he was ultra aggressive and ultra physical.
He made things happen.

I think your take is very small.
I'd say the most attractive facet of SDSU basketball for a young recruit IS the style that Fisher "allows" to be played here.
They know they can come here and showcase their skills, and play for the style of the next level.
I mean, if you want the Princeton offense or something that may be a little more "college friendly" or "college successful" thats cool.
And i understand that.
But the bottom line is that what brings blue chip talent in, is the prospects of playing in the league.
And after all these are just young men, still learning and not finished products.

[ctap13]

Nov 30, 2015 15:34:43 GMT -8 mySTRAS said:

Improving offensive performance... will most likely lead to an offsetting decrease in defensive performance. At the end of the day... we probably end up in the same place.

I'm more than happy with 1 or occasionally 2 victories in March... sprinkled in with the occasional Kansas victory AND absolute turds (@ Washington last year, West Virginia).

Understood, but we need to start focusing on our offense even if it makes is not as good on defense. The objective of the game is to score points and every time you play against teams score a lot we cannot keep up with them because our defense is good enough but our offense sucks.

[ctap13]

That's coaches problem then by allowing the players to do whatever they want. He is the head coach you need to design some offensive plays for a change.. Basketball is definitely not just defense that's for sure and every time we play against big scoring teams they kill us because we cannot keep up with them offensively. I don't see this changing any time going forward so what's the point of us trying to get these four star and five star recruits? They will come to the same dumb offense and the offense will struggle again as always!

[aztecmichael]

Nov 30, 2015 16:25:48 GMT -8 matteosandiego said:

Nov 30, 2015 15:25:36 GMT -8 ctap13 said:

Enough is enough! I am tired of seeing the same thing every freaking year, us not having an offense! What is the point of Coach Fisher getting all these great players when he does not allow them to use their athleticism and talents on the offense of side of the ball? So sick of having great talent and we do nothing but half-court offense all the time and we have no idea what we're doing on every set. With our athleticism and talents, we should be running teams and pushing the pace not slowing everything down to a half-court set.

Fisher should be blamed for this bad offense this year just like he should be blamed for the other years on offense. It's time for him to bring somebody in for help on the offense of side of the ball.
You guys keep blaming Pope well that is coach Fisher's job to figure out how to get him the ball and to get him shots! All he does is have him sit out there on the perimeter and if he misses a shot then people say why does he keep shooting or he gets put down at the center/Pf position where he is not big enough to play. He is way better than that. The guy is good at attacking the hoop he's not just a three-point shooter that's what coach has turned him into it feels like.Has Coach Fisher ever thought of actually designing a play for a player? A guy like that should be one of the main options for our offense and he should have Plenty of plays designed around him. I don't think he has any for pope right now how embarrassing! Yes Pope has not started out well but if I was him I would get the heck out of San Diego and go to a coach who knows how to run an offense. I honestly think recruits are starting to realize this. I mean who the heck wants to go there and have no plays designed for them? Our offense is a complete mess and Coach Fisher has had all off season to get it right!

We all love Coach Fisher for what he has done to the city of San Diego and what he has meant for our school. But we need to keep getting better as a team and that's not happening. We have had problems on the offense of side of the ball ever since he was our coach . Even when we had Billy White, Leonard, etc, we have never had a very good offense. Hell, even with the Fab 4 his offense was not that great. Something needs to change. Either he needs to bring somebody in for help on the offense of side of the ball or we need to bring somebody else in who knows what they're doing. I don't think the back of coach is our answer either as he seems to be horrible on the offensive side as well.

I agree with about 25% of this post.
While there have been times i look at Steve Fisher led teams and wonder why we dont have clean, precise, set plays like some others i see out there or what i enjoy to watch...or that we don't push tempo with this years team, there isn't much you can say about a guy whose teams are constantly making the tournament. And who has created this program which is constantly improving, using this core style.

But the other 75% i completely disagree that you think Fisher doesn't 'let' the team, or certain players, or whoever have freedom.
I think our team sometimes has too much freedom.
If Pope, or Winston, or whoever falls into patterns where they take bad shots or not the shots that you like, i think its completely on the player.
How many times have we seen Pope nonchalantly try some Kevin Durant style dribble or shot only to lose the ball, get stripped away, or just flat out clank the shot???
Fact is, these players have a tremendous amount of freedom to be creative and assert themselves into the game with their style of play.

Or Shepard for example.
The young man knows he has a quicker first step than most of his opposition.
He knows he has excellent handles for a player his size.
He knows he can drive, be aggressive and either take it to the rim and SLAM
OR
penetrate and dish to the open man.
He knows this about himself already.
We've all seen him do these things.
BUT only when he gets aggressive.
Only when its him coming off the bench.

The point i'm making is yes, the coach needs to lead the players to play at their best...
but only the young men can perform.
Look at Jamaal.
The young man was not text book by any means.
But he was ultra aggressive and ultra physical.
He made things happen.

I think your take is very small.
I'd say the most attractive facet of SDSU basketball for a young recruit IS the style that Fisher "allows" to be played here.
They know they can come here and showcase their skills, and play for the style of the next level.
I mean, if you want the Princeton offense or something that may be a little more "college friendly" or "college successful" thats cool.
And i understand that.
But the bottom line is that what brings blue chip talent in, is the prospects of playing in the league.
And after all these are just young men, still learning and not finished products.

You are banned!! Way too logical, well reasoned and civil.

Don't you know the rules of the board? Come on, you are better than that.

[ctap13]

Nov 30, 2015 16:25:48 GMT -8 matteosandiego said:

Nov 30, 2015 15:25:36 GMT -8 ctap13 said:

Enough is enough! I am tired of seeing the same thing every freaking year, us not having an offense! What is the point of Coach Fisher getting all these great players when he does not allow them to use their athleticism and talents on the offense of side of the ball? So sick of having great talent and we do nothing but half-court offense all the time and we have no idea what we're doing on every set. With our athleticism and talents, we should be running teams and pushing the pace not slowing everything down to a half-court set.

Fisher should be blamed for this bad offense this year just like he should be blamed for the other years on offense. It's time for him to bring somebody in for help on the offense of side of the ball.
You guys keep blaming Pope well that is coach Fisher's job to figure out how to get him the ball and to get him shots! All he does is have him sit out there on the perimeter and if he misses a shot then people say why does he keep shooting or he gets put down at the center/Pf position where he is not big enough to play. He is way better than that. The guy is good at attacking the hoop he's not just a three-point shooter that's what coach has turned him into it feels like.Has Coach Fisher ever thought of actually designing a play for a player? A guy like that should be one of the main options for our offense and he should have Plenty of plays designed around him. I don't think he has any for pope right now how embarrassing! Yes Pope has not started out well but if I was him I would get the heck out of San Diego and go to a coach who knows how to run an offense. I honestly think recruits are starting to realize this. I mean who the heck wants to go there and have no plays designed for them? Our offense is a complete mess and Coach Fisher has had all off season to get it right!

We all love Coach Fisher for what he has done to the city of San Diego and what he has meant for our school. But we need to keep getting better as a team and that's not happening. We have had problems on the offense of side of the ball ever since he was our coach . Even when we had Billy White, Leonard, etc, we have never had a very good offense. Hell, even with the Fab 4 his offense was not that great. Something needs to change. Either he needs to bring somebody in for help on the offense of side of the ball or we need to bring somebody else in who knows what they're doing. I don't think the back of coach is our answer either as he seems to be horrible on the offensive side as well.

I agree with about 25% of this post.
While there have been times i look at Steve Fisher led teams and wonder why we dont have clean, precise, set plays like some others i see out there or what i enjoy to watch...or that we don't push tempo with this years team, there isn't much you can say about a guy whose teams are constantly making the tournament. And who has created this program which is constantly improving, using this core style.

But the other 75% i completely disagree that you think Fisher doesn't 'let' the team, or certain players, or whoever have freedom.
I think our team sometimes has too much freedom.
If Pope, or Winston, or whoever falls into patterns where they take bad shots or not the shots that you like, i think its completely on the player.
How many times have we seen Pope nonchalantly try some Kevin Durant style dribble or shot only to lose the ball, get stripped away, or just flat out clank the shot???
Fact is, these players have a tremendous amount of freedom to be creative and assert themselves into the game with their style of play.

Or Shepard for example.
The young man knows he has a quicker first step than most of his opposition.
He knows he has excellent handles for a player his size.
He knows he can drive, be aggressive and either take it to the rim and SLAM
OR
penetrate and dish to the open man.
He knows this about himself already.
We've all seen him do these things.
BUT only when he gets aggressive.
Only when its him coming off the bench.

The point i'm making is yes, the coach needs to lead the players to play at their best...
but only the young men can perform.
Look at Jamaal.
The young man was not text book by any means.
But he was ultra aggressive and ultra physical.
He made things happen.

I think your take is very small.
I'd say the most attractive facet of SDSU basketball for a young recruit IS the style that Fisher "allows" to be played here.
They know they can come here and showcase their skills, and play for the style of the next level.
I mean, if you want the Princeton offense or something that may be a little more "college friendly" or "college successful" thats cool.
And i understand that.
But the bottom line is that what brings blue chip talent in, is the prospects of playing in the league.
And after all these are just young men, still learning and not finished products.

I think you missed my point. My point is the coach needs to start doing some coaching on the offense of side of the ball instead of letting the players do whatever they want to do. He needs to coach like a good offensive coach does who designs plays for players actually design a college offense not a high school offense like we have every single year. Fisher has completely missed the mark on Pope! If he went to a different school with a good coach I guarantee you he would be getting a lot of shots a game and he would be one of the scoring options on the team instead of just sitting out there on the perimeter doing nothing because he does not get the ball ever. He is only thought of as a three-point option which is ludicrous. Fisher just does not get it! If I was a standout offensive player I would stay the hell away from Coach Fisher.

[aztecmichael]

Nov 30, 2015 16:37:29 GMT -8 ctap13 said:

That's coaches problem then by allowing the players to do whatever they want. He is the head coach you need to design some offensive plays for a change.. Basketball is definitely not just defense that's for sure and every time we play against big scoring teams they kill us because we cannot keep up with them offensively. I don't see this changing any time going forward so what's the point of us trying to get these four star and five star recruits? They will come to the same dumb offense and the offense will struggle again as always!

How often have we gotten "killed" in the last 10 years? Basically, you are saying you have zero clue how he turned a bottom 25 program into a perennial top 25 program, but however he did it, its wrong. If only he would listen to you, all would be what???

You do realize that only 6 other programs have been to the tournament the last 6 years? Not 16, not 60, not 600.....6! This is not being sarcastic, but do you know anything about basketball and building a program? Anything? Wow, how entitled and arrogant have our fans become. There are always of group of football fans who would rather lose 50-48 than win 20-17. This guy must fall into that category.

[aztecvatar]

It always has been Fisher's Achilles Heel and will continue to be. Even with the Fab 5. Just accept it.

But the poor free throw shooting is correctable and it drives me crazy how bad our guys are at the line.

[standiego]

Zeigler predicted a few weeks ago that this team Could have a high ceiling if it played up to its potential. but also could have a low floor lose badly at times when shots do not fall . The staff primarily recruits guys that will play D , has not landed a top 15 recruit because many of those players stress offense , and some guys do not play D and may not recruit them. Also remember we still play in the MW ,lose recruits to P5 schools . The staff feels guys can learn to be better on offense as they stay in college and further develop their skills. We landed Malik after Kansas selected another player ( believe it was Oubre (sp) and he was one and done ). Malik is a guy that has loads of offensive talent , did not play as much last year because he has to learn the D . Our D takes a while to get it correct , this year he was supposed to be instant offense but can not get it together . Time for the coaches to see what they can do to help him. We all better hope it does for him and the team . Offense takes as much to get it running smoothly as does the D . at times Fisher lets guys create their own offense . Also some guys do not listen and do their own thing . We really need to help the guys on offense . First , a lot more movement with out the ball is needed and more quick passing . We have the athletes to make it happen . Less dribbling , less 3 point shooting and then use our athleticism on offense . CAL game was better , then we looked lost in the back court against the WVU defense .

Fisher has done a great job with the SDSU team . Has received well earned notes about the D . But also needs to talk among the staff to see how they can improve the offense . Let Kell stay at PG . Use some old basic plays and some alley oops from the guys to get them going . Move the ball quickly . Have the guys in constant motion . Talent is there , now lets see if the staff can kick start it .

[Deleted]

Nov 30, 2015 16:51:47 GMT -8 aztecvatar said:

It always has been Fisher's Achilles Heel and will continue to be. Even with the Fab 5. Just accept it.

But the poor free throw shooting is correctable and it drives me crazy how bad our guys are at the line.

FT shooting will be better this year than many of the past...JMO.

The Pope situation is the center piece to unlocking the team's potential. We have a problem at the 3/4 spot. Between Shep, Zylan, and Pope. Look at our OREBS and TOs against WVU. We are going to struggle scoring if we don't clean up the offensive boards at the same rate as previous seasons. We also need better offensive awareness at the 4 spot to help make life easier for our guards when they aren't shooting lights out. Zylan just needs more time, Pope needs to have his brained wiped, and Shep...well he's gona shep. 5* one game, 2 * the next. If nothing else he's a wildcard the opposition has to consider.

[imhighonx]

Nov 30, 2015 16:51:47 GMT -8 aztecvatar said:

It always has been Fisher's Achilles Heel and will continue to be. Even with the Fab 5. Just accept it.

But the poor free throw shooting is correctable and it drives me crazy how bad our guys are at the line.

I'm curious, what percent do you think they're shooting and what would be acceptable?

Fisher has done a great job. The Little Rock loss stinks but one of those every few years is tough to avoid. The wvu game was a perfect storm (team exhausted from the late game comeback the prior night relying on young players unaccustomed to playing that type of press). When I look at the big picture I can't complain. Now go beat long beach in the pyramid!