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Post by ctap13 on Nov 30, 2015 22:02:24 GMT -8
Oldie, don't get me wrong defense is very important as well but if I had to choose an offensive team or a defensive team I will always go with the offensive team as they normally win in college basketball. take for example Duke last year. How well did our defense do against them? We actually held them to a pretty low score but we got blown out because we can't keep up on the offense end. Our half court set was embarrassing against them and it's embarrassing against every other team. Remember Virginia last year? Great defense. They did not go very far.Those teams never go far in the tournament normally. Remember we are not just talking about winning the conference we are expected to do much better than that every year going forward.
Even if we have to give up a little defense we should do it any day of the week to generate offense. What's the point of fisher even trying to get a scorer when he can't even get him the ball?
I'm just getting tired and tired of watching this every single year with a horrible offense and it never appears to ever get better. I am definitely not a coach and of course he is a legendary coach, but still I just cannot believe how he cannot come up with a better offensive effort than this. It honestly feels like he does not do anything or try any adjustments at all on that end of the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 22:10:37 GMT -8
And yet even more comedy supplied by this fan board! Gotta love this place...
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Post by ctap13 on Nov 30, 2015 22:13:10 GMT -8
Pope is the guy that we have who can be a big scorer. He should be having a lot of plays designed for him to try to get him the ball going to the hoop. I never see anything like that for him. Coach Fisher has him either sitting out on the three-point line looking for a three pointer or battling against the power forwards the guys that are bigger than him and he gets out matched down there because of the size. He is a three not a four. He is getting like 6 to 7 shots a game. That is an absolute joke! He should be getting a lot more shots and playing much more than 17 minutes a game. And to be honest, he did not get the Ball last year much at all either. Fisher wanted a defender he should've recruited someone else. If you were a big offensive star recruit, would you like to go to San Diego State and have him as your coach? Yes you might learn some more defense but his offense will make you look much worse lets just be honest here. Other teams must love how he is being under legalized in our offense
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Post by AzTex on Nov 30, 2015 22:28:29 GMT -8
Wrong! The objective of the game is not to score points. The objective is to score more than the opponent. We have done the a remarkable percentage of the time under Coach Fishers leadership. Look up the records for consecutive 20+ win seasons, trips to the NCAA tournament, trips to the round of 32, etc. You can't find more than a handful of coaches who have a better record then Coach Fisher. Lol ok coach! That's why every time we play a good scoring team we always lose because we cannot score enough points yes we stop them and hold them less than there used to scoring, but we still lose. Cannot believe you are defending our offense. Does 43 point seem like enough to you? Smh lol Another false statement. We don't always lose every time we play a good scoring team. Look back at the stats and you'll see how we usually keep good scoring teams well below their season averages. Read the reports on the game the next day and they usually are saying something like "we just had an off day." But when that happens to team after team it's not just them having off days. We have won plenty of times against good scoring teams. Maybe I need to type a little slower for you. No where in my reply did I defend our offense. I didn't even mention anything about offense. I did counter your arguments about offense being the only important thing in the game with pointing out the success we have had with the way the coaches have us play. I also never said anything about being happy with only scoring 43 points against Little Rock. I fully expected us to do much better. But every team has games like that. Now it's beginning to look like Little Rock is a much better team than we thought it was. They are currently 5-0. They beat East Carolina in Las Vegas and Tulsa in Tulsa. Tulsa was a 20 win team last year and has every player who played more than 20 minutes per game back. Tulsa is one of the favorites to win the AAC.
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Post by missiontrails on Nov 30, 2015 22:34:01 GMT -8
It's so cute to see some (many?) of our basketball fans with a football fan's mentality. "We're five games in to the season and have lost a couple! The sky is falling, the sky is falling! We'll never dig ourselves out!" Happens every year (except the years we start out 20-0). Save yourself the grief and go latch on to Kentucky.
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Post by AzTex on Nov 30, 2015 22:38:13 GMT -8
Wrong! The objective of the game is not to score points. The objective is to score more than the opponent. We have done the a remarkable percentage of the time under Coach Fishers leadership. Look up the records for consecutive 20+ win seasons, trips to the NCAA tournament, trips to the round of 32, etc. You can't find more than a handful of coaches who have a better record then Coach Fisher. I watched a big sky game over the holiday-sac state invitational. sac state scored 90 points, on at least 60% shooting, including 3's. 90 points and LOST! 94-90. Both teams had amazing shooting, it had to be over 60% including 3's. Both teams had post players who could make 5-10 footers almost at will. A missed lay up was a shock as was a missed 3. 10 fouls called in the first half, called not committed. Refs let them play. Score 90 and loose? Defense, defense. it was not nonexistant, but close. Keep the other team from scoring less than you and you should win most of the time. I'll take Fish 99.9999999% of the time. (but 43 in a whole game, really does stink). Oh yeh-----4 tickets in g.a cost $20, total, not each. Very impressive. I guess Sacramento St. is much more successful than the Aztecs according to ctap. I wonder how many NCAA tournaments they've played in during the last few years. Or, how many rounds of 32 or Sweet 16's in those tournaments. It must be a lot more than we have since they're so good at scoring points.
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Post by sdsuballer on Nov 30, 2015 22:52:18 GMT -8
Hmmm. Im a coach and I don't know of any offense where we can dunk the ball on every play? The guys are all getting clean looks but are not making their shots (plain & simple). Their aren't many offenses out there for the 2-3 zone especially with no low post player. Everyone is zoning us to death packing the middle of the key daring us to shot. Those shots Malik gets are all wide open shots and he needs to make them. Technically, Malik is so wide open he can take one or two dribbles and take a mid range shots. But I doubt he ever practices a mid range shots. Shooting is 70% mental and 30% physical... We could change the way we recruit players and take a less athletic pure shooter who has worked at his craft. But Fisher doesn't like small size guards and believes he can turn a slasher into a shooter. I tell the boys that I coach that shooting and ab work outs have something in common. Both take a lot of work and it takes time to build a solid foundation. Shooting 500 balls tomorrow won't make you a great shooter. Shooting 500 balls for the entire year will improve your % under duress. The Jam Center won't pay off until next year or possibly 2 yrs from now.
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Post by OldSlowWhiteBaller on Nov 30, 2015 22:53:44 GMT -8
It always has been Fisher's Achilles Heel and will continue to be. Even with the Fab 5. Just accept it. But the poor free throw shooting is correctable and it drives me crazy how bad our guys are at the line. FT shooting will be better this year than many of the past...JMO. The Pope situation is the center piece to unlocking the team's potential. We have a problem at the 3/4 spot. Between Shep, Zylan, and Pope. Look at our OREBS and TOs against WVU. We are going to struggle scoring if we don't clean up the offensive boards at the same rate as previous seasons. We also need better offensive awareness at the 4 spot to help make life easier for our guards when they aren't shooting lights out. Zylan just needs more time, Pope needs to have his brained wiped, and Shep...well he's gona shep. 5* one game, 2 * the next. If nothing else he's a wildcard the opposition has to consider. I didn't see what the FT % was the last game vs WV but we had been shooting like 76% as a team before that game......Much better than last years 63%.
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Post by Xolotl on Nov 30, 2015 23:25:18 GMT -8
Ctap13 ...... I too agree with portions of you diatribe .....yes we need to score more ....but the lack of the team not doing so is not totally Fisher's fault. Why, I've seen Fish pull a player for not taking a shot ... He did to Kell this year. If you want to gripe about shooting poorly you can't fault Fisher's recruiting. Wasn't Kell the best shot in the county? How about Shrigs, he was highly touted. And then there was Abucar, Wade, and .........! Something happens between high school and D1 basketball play. A coach only guesses what the player might do in this transition. Remember Jimmer F. ! NCAA player of the year, lights out shooter .... He just got cut from the team NBA .......he just couldn't make the transition.
Coaching can only go so far .... You can set screens, make plays , ......but in the end the player needs to execute .....when the player does we fans high-5 everyone .... When the player doesn't ... Get a new coach .....who ultimately will call for the same play .....hoping for a different result ...
This is not to say that coaching doesn't have its moments. I agree ... The Little Rock game made me sick and my bubble almost burst with the WVU game. The first was on the players totally. The second was more on the Coach ...... The players didn't know what to do. I don't buy the "tired excuse" WV was tired too. True there was not allot of time to prep the players before hand, and since most were "green"....there was not allot of previous experience to fall back on, couple that with a "new" team (players getting to know one another) .....well what you saw is what you get when those ingredients come together.
But, I bet it won't happen again .....
The comment by another poster I believe to be correct ...... The object to the game is to out score the other team. What good does it do you to lose a game 145 to 146.... UCSB had that Run-an-Gun offense several years ago .... And it did work to some extent ..... They didn't win the NCAA
So, I'm for keeping Fisher , and I'm for the players taking full advantage of the JAM center
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Post by ctap13 on Nov 30, 2015 23:25:24 GMT -8
I watched a big sky game over the holiday-sac state invitational. sac state scored 90 points, on at least 60% shooting, including 3's. 90 points and LOST! 94-90. Both teams had amazing shooting, it had to be over 60% including 3's. Both teams had post players who could make 5-10 footers almost at will. A missed lay up was a shock as was a missed 3. 10 fouls called in the first half, called not committed. Refs let them play. Score 90 and loose? Defense, defense. it was not nonexistant, but close. Keep the other team from scoring less than you and you should win most of the time. I'll take Fish 99.9999999% of the time. (but 43 in a whole game, really does stink). Oh yeh-----4 tickets in g.a cost $20, total, not each. Very impressive. I guess Sacramento St. is much more successful than the Aztecs according to ctap. I wonder how many NCAA tournaments they've played in during the last few years. Or, how many rounds of 32 or Sweet 16's in those tournaments. It must be a lot more than we have since they're so good at scoring points. OK I am wrong LOL our offense is so high powered LOL what was I thinking? LOL dude we just scored 43 points at home against a horrible horrible team! Then we got completely demolished against West Virginia where we were totally Out coached ! I have a right to be upset with the offense of this team is the same crap every single year. Keep defending our offense! Lol
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Post by sleeveless on Nov 30, 2015 23:28:37 GMT -8
Is ctap13 Tapley's dad?
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Post by ctap13 on Nov 30, 2015 23:29:39 GMT -8
Ctap13 ...... I too agree with portions of you diatribe .....yes we need to score more ....but the lack of the team not doing so is not totally Fisher's fault. Why, I've seen Fish pull a player for not taking a shot ... He did to Kell this year. If you want to gripe about shooting poorly you can't fault Fisher's recruiting. Wasn't Kell the best shot in the county? How about Shrigs, he was highly touted. And then there was Abucar, Wade, and .........! Something happens between high school and D1 basketball play. A coach only guesses what the player might do in this transition. Remember Jimmer F. ! NCAA player of the year, lights out shooter .... He just got cut from the team NBA .......he just couldn't make the transition. Coaching can only go so far .... You can set screens, make plays , ......but in the end the player needs to execute .....when the player does we fans high-5 everyone .... When the player doesn't ... Get a new coach .....who ultimately will call for the same play .....hoping for a different result ... This is not to say that coaching doesn't have its moments. I agree ... The Little Rock game made me sick and my bubble almost burst with the WVU game. The first was on the players totally. The second was more on the Coach ...... The players didn't know what to do. I don't buy the "tired excuse" WV was tired too. True there was not allot of time to prep the players before hand, and since most were "green"....there was not allot of previous experience to fall back on, couple that with a "new" team (players getting to know one another) .....well what you saw is what you get when those ingredients come together. But, I bet it won't happen again ..... The comment by another poster I believe to be correct ...... The object to the game is to out score the other team. What good does it do you to lose a game 145 to 146.... UCSB had that Run-an-Gun offense several years ago .... And it did work to some extent ..... They didn't win the NCAA So, I'm for keeping Fisher , and I'm for the players taking full advantage of the JAM center X I'm not complaining about our shooting I am complaining about our horrible offense and our ridiculous design every single year it's the same thing and that is coaching.I'm not sure why such a great coach cannot improve an offense that is horrible every single year. Not sure how hard it is to get somebody to help with the offense.
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Post by ctap13 on Nov 30, 2015 23:30:06 GMT -8
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Post by ctap13 on Nov 30, 2015 23:33:33 GMT -8
It's OK everybody just keep defending Coach Fisher. Obviously he can do no wrong in your eyes our team is perfect and we have a high-powered offense! 43 points is a great effort at home against the high powered Little Rock!
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Post by retiredaztec on Nov 30, 2015 23:38:52 GMT -8
Given the distinct possibility that SDSU and AFA will be F**KED out of the Cactus and Vegas Bowls, (we'll see), and Coach Fisher is personally responsible for justifying the construction of Cox Arena, give the man some room.
The team is 4-3 and like the football team this past season, they will have a most accommodating schedule coming up. In Fisher we trust.
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Post by sleeveless on Nov 30, 2015 23:43:47 GMT -8
I don't believe you're serious in your posts. It's hard to believe. You make no sense.
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Post by ctap13 on Nov 30, 2015 23:50:39 GMT -8
I don't believe you're serious in your posts. It's hard to believe. You make no sense. What? That we have a bad offense? Have you never heard that before? It's been a problem every single year, especially this year. Makes perfect sense.
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Post by longtimebooster on Dec 1, 2015 6:31:42 GMT -8
Ctap13 ...... I too agree with portions of you diatribe .....yes we need to score more ....but the lack of the team not doing so is not totally Fisher's fault. Why, I've seen Fish pull a player for not taking a shot ... He did to Kell this year. If you want to gripe about shooting poorly you can't fault Fisher's recruiting. Wasn't Kell the best shot in the county? How about Shrigs, he was highly touted. And then there was Abucar, Wade, and .........! Something happens between high school and D1 basketball play. A coach only guesses what the player might do in this transition. Remember Jimmer F. ! NCAA player of the year, lights out shooter .... He just got cut from the team NBA .......he just couldn't make the transition. Coaching can only go so far .... You can set screens, make plays , ......but in the end the player needs to execute .....when the player does we fans high-5 everyone .... When the player doesn't ... Get a new coach .....who ultimately will call for the same play .....hoping for a different result ... This is not to say that coaching doesn't have its moments. I agree ... The Little Rock game made me sick and my bubble almost burst with the WVU game. The first was on the players totally. The second was more on the Coach ...... The players didn't know what to do. I don't buy the "tired excuse" WV was tired too. True there was not allot of time to prep the players before hand, and since most were "green"....there was not allot of previous experience to fall back on, couple that with a "new" team (players getting to know one another) .....well what you saw is what you get when those ingredients come together. But, I bet it won't happen again ..... The comment by another poster I believe to be correct ...... The object to the game is to out score the other team. What good does it do you to lose a game 145 to 146.... UCSB had that Run-an-Gun offense several years ago .... And it did work to some extent ..... They didn't win the NCAA So, I'm for keeping Fisher , and I'm for the players taking full advantage of the JAM center X I'm not complaining about our shooting I am complaining about our horrible offense and our ridiculous design every single year it's the same thing and that is coaching.I'm not sure why such a great coach cannot improve an offense that is horrible every single year. Not sure how hard it is to get somebody to help with the offense. Ctap, I feel you. But I prefer to complain about the shooting, rather than Fish's offensive scheme. There's only so much you can scheme for guys who simply can't execute the open shots when they present themselves. And Fisher lineups at SDSU have historically been loaded with tall, quick athletes and riddled with guys who do ugly damage with the ball to rims and backboards. In this year's edition, Shepard is Shepard. Like I've posted here numerous times since his freshman year, if he could ever develop a consistent 15-foot jumper our three-point shot, his whole game would blossom. But he never has. Some games he knocks down his shots and dazzles, most games he clunks them and disappears into the background. His shooting motion has too many moving parts and is the source of his inconsistency. Cheatham is a wonderful talent and a prototypical Fisher player. Tall, strong, aggressive, he can always bring it. If this were gymnastics, dude would score a 9 or 10 every time he goes to the rim. Looks great getting there, but he simply can't finish. He has more near misses from point blank than even JJO used to rack up on a bad day. Drives me nuts. If/when he ever figures out how to finish, he'll have the potential to score 20+ per game. I'm also guessing that some of the tactics he used in high school don't work as well against the big, physical teams like WVU, Utah, etc. Allen was really lighting it up to start the season, but in spite of his flashes, he's proven to be hot and cold. He's not terribly consistent from outside, this in spite of his phenomenal offseason improvement. Kell, too, is inconsistent. He's just not a go-to guy if you really need a bucket. Spencer is Spencer. A force on defense, a liability on offense. His shot is bad. Really bad. Unless he's dunking, everyone on the floor or in the stands or watching on TV should be holding their collective breaths. I thought Pope would really blossom this year, but he seems to have withdrawn like a big turtle into his shell. He has the best looking stroke on the team, but the shots this year aren't falling. I suspect they eventually will, but right now he's just an exercise in frustration. Regardless, he needs to develop a dominant inside game if he wants to go to the next level. So there you have it, the only consistent shooter on the team is Hemsley. And that's a problem for a lot of reasons. No. 1, he's the PG and has a lot of other things to do besides hog the ball and score all the time. No. 2, it's tough being the only pure shooter on a team with a bunch of guys who can't aim straight. That's because the D can key on you without having to pay the price. They can slack off of Shep, Pope or Allen and double up Hemsley whenever he looks to score. At any rate, I suspect we'll be discussing this all season long unless/until Pope/Allen/Shep/Cheatham decide to get things straightened out.
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Post by giju on Dec 1, 2015 6:41:59 GMT -8
Like I have stated in the past...to win, we need more folks knocking down a 15 ft jump shot...that simple...we move the ball around well but we need to hit more outside shots to keep the defense honest
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Post by alohaboarder on Dec 1, 2015 7:06:20 GMT -8
I think we need to hire better assistant coaches. Dutcher is fine. I'm talking assistants 2 & 3. Might need an upgrade at the player development position.
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