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Post by johneaztec on Dec 22, 2015 11:03:02 GMT -8
You're not going to get back door lobs against a packed in 2-3 zone or a packed in man to man defense that goes under screens. You can get back door lobs against a 3-2 zone, and Fisher already drew up a successful one to Pope this year. You can get run outs if you get more live ball turnovers and if you run a break after a missed shot. They showed some of the latter against Nicholls. Unfortunately, Hemsley and Kell are not currently good at getting steals, so they aren't going to get many run outs from turnovers. The offense is already creating a bunch of wide open jumpers; although it might be rational to argue that the failures of the offense cause teams to pack it in and allow a lot of wide open jumpers. They simply aren't hitting enough of them to open up the offense. You're also not going to be able to finish easily at the rim when the defense is packed in. So our crappy offense should just get blamed on us missing open jump shots? No. When we score 40 points a game multiple times of a season, it's much more than that and we need to just stop blaming the players. We should not be settling for outside shots we should be attacking the hoop. Fishers offense does not attack for hoop and that is a flaw in his design. Pope should be on the move towards the hoop not just standing there for jump shots as coach wants them to. He's much more than just a shooter. Where I have a problem with your reasoning, is when you imply that it's not the players fault at all, it's the coaching. Fish isn't shooting them, and he's not the one playing with no energy. Actually he's asking for more energy. I'm a big Pope fan, but if he's as great as you make him out to be, then he would still be draining those threes regardless if a guy's hand is in his grill. They would then back off and he would have more room to create to the hole. He's flat footed right now. I know he can drive, but he has to knock a few down to get the opportunity.
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Post by northcountymike on Dec 22, 2015 12:34:19 GMT -8
Agreed. I think it's important to say that just because the coaching hasn't been good, doesn't mean that we don't like or appreciate what Fisher does and has brought to the university as well as the community of San Diego. Lots of nay sayers assume that just because a few of us are fed up with the lack of an offensive scheme and dare to admit that perhaps the game is passing him by, it means that we hate Coach. It's simply not true. You aren't reading what ctap has been saying this season. Let me summarize it. "Fisher has no idea what he is doing. He isn't giving Malik Pope any touches or working him in to the game plan. He needs to go. He's been miserable for years and I've been telling you that." Well he's been wrong all these years or however long he's been posting in whatever name. Now after a bad few games he suddenly is right? No he finally has a few games that he can crow about being right when he's been wrong all this time. Does he bother actually looking at Pope's minutes or shooting percentage? No many people have tried to tell him that but he won't listen. He just continues to hate on Fisher, fails to respond to reasonable responses or counter arguments. He clearly has an agenda and Pope is at the top. Perhaps Pope needs to improve his shooting and subordinate himself to the team game. We all want Pope to succeed and be a big part of this team but he has not shown his desire ability to better or try to work himself in on this offense. As for Fisher, he has shown over the years when some teens start with bad chemistry that he has the ability to get that team playing well and win banners. I disagree in principle with those that say he has earned the right to stay as long as he wants. I know he'll step down the minute he thinks he can't still contribute. I think he has earned the right to prove he'll win banners. This has been a bad start. He needs the leaders to step up or step aside for the young guns like Z. More later. He can be wrong all he wants for however long he wants. I was just "sympathizing" with a simple view he had; it doesn't mean that I agree with the guy 100%. I take what I can from a variety of posters here whether certain people seem like a "bad guy" or not. We could all learn a thing or two from people we don't necessarily agree with...
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 22, 2015 12:48:21 GMT -8
In basics we are way too easy to guard , we do not move that often with out the ball. Stand around . We dribble way too much . We need to move more and pass quickly . Sure seems as though we dribble numerous times before we make a pass , pass is not the first thought but dribble until contested then make a pass . Watch how often and quickly other teams move the ball . our guys like to dribble and play one on one basketball . Watched on another post Fisher working on some set plays , very little dribbling more passes . Then during the game we do the opposite , dribble ,dribble, dribble , then get contested and Forced to pass . guys moving and a few passes moves the ball a lot better then all the dribbling . We also do not follow the shot , take the shot and you better finish it with a score or rebound . There is a disconnect between practice and the games . Why - that is something that needs to be figured out. Any one can shoot , but it does take team work to get better % shots . Especially if you have a team that is not noted for outside shooting and we are not . so you have to work harder . Most guys can get open during the first 10 seconds of the shot clock for a 3, but is that the best shot , yes if you are not working to get open , it does take good set plays, movement, work and energy . There are problems with the offense . Every one knows it . Coaches get credit for D , now more time needs to gone over ways to improve the offense . Effort has been brought up it is poor effort and why . Why being most important , that takes some very needed one on one conversations with each guy . Is the effort there in practice ? Is it not being motivated , or not believing in the offensive schemes , not executing do to skill or attitude . ? Things have changed in college basketball. Yes in today's world this is all part of coaching , getting the guys to buy into what is being taught , being motivated and looks like effort . If effort is a problem then coaches need to acknowledge it and correct it. Fisher is a great guy and produced numerous good teams here at SDSU . Gets credit for the Defense at SDSU . Now he needs take ownership for the problems with the offense and get them fixed , be it effort, schemes, motivation , shot selection or all of them it is all part of coaching . Very nice post. I agree with you on these comments.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 22, 2015 12:51:40 GMT -8
So our crappy offense should just get blamed on us missing open jump shots? No. When we score 40 points a game multiple times of a season, it's much more than that and we need to just stop blaming the players. We should not be settling for outside shots we should be attacking the hoop. Fishers offense does not attack for hoop and that is a flaw in his design. Pope should be on the move towards the hoop not just standing there for jump shots as coach wants them to. He's much more than just a shooter. Where I have a problem with your reasoning, is when you imply that it's not the players fault at all, it's the coaching. Fish isn't shooting them, and he's not the one playing with no energy. Actually he's asking for more energy. I'm a big Pope fan, but if he's as great as you make him out to be, then he would still be draining those threes regardless if a guy's hand is in his grill. They would then back off and he would have more room to create to the hole. He's flat footed right now. I know he can drive, but he has to knock a few down to get the opportunity. That is Fisher's job to help get him motivated. You get him motivated by getting him the ball with opportunities to move the ball and to score the ball. How excited would you be if you're such a great player sitting out there on the perimeter never getting the ball Hardly doing anything? It's very embarrassing that we finally get a player this good, and coach has no idea what to do with him because he's not a great defender. Who cares about defense for a change! We need somebody who can score the ball and it's him. Yes he gives up some baskets, but if he was the number one or two option on our offense he would be scoring a lot of points which would really help us out. I just get so sick and tired of this defense first attitude. You need both for sure, but we need offense badly here.
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 22, 2015 13:05:28 GMT -8
Where I have a problem with your reasoning, is when you imply that it's not the players fault at all, it's the coaching. Fish isn't shooting them, and he's not the one playing with no energy. Actually he's asking for more energy. I'm a big Pope fan, but if he's as great as you make him out to be, then he would still be draining those threes regardless if a guy's hand is in his grill. They would then back off and he would have more room to create to the hole. He's flat footed right now. I know he can drive, but he has to knock a few down to get the opportunity. That is Fisher's job to help get him motivated. You get him motivated by getting him the ball with opportunities to move the ball and to score the ball. How excited would you be if you're such a great player sitting out there on the perimeter never getting the ball Hardly doing anything? It's very embarrassing that we finally get a player this good, and coach has no idea what to do with him because he's not a great defender. Who cares about defense for a change! We need somebody who can score the ball and it's him. Yes he gives up some baskets, but if he was the number one or two option on our offense he would be scoring a lot of points which would really help us out. I just get so sick and tired of this defense first attitude. You need both for sure, but we need offense badly here. While I don't disagree with some if what you say, it's not all on the coaching staff. He needs to hit more shots as well when he takes them. Really good players can create their shots off the dribble. Pope isn't doing that. Remember, I love Popes game.
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Post by onions on Dec 22, 2015 13:10:34 GMT -8
Where I have a problem with your reasoning, is when you imply that it's not the players fault at all, it's the coaching. Fish isn't shooting them, and he's not the one playing with no energy. Actually he's asking for more energy. I'm a big Pope fan, but if he's as great as you make him out to be, then he would still be draining those threes regardless if a guy's hand is in his grill. They would then back off and he would have more room to create to the hole. He's flat footed right now. I know he can drive, but he has to knock a few down to get the opportunity. That is Fisher's job to help get him motivated. You get him motivated by getting him the ball with opportunities to move the ball and to score the ball. How excited would you be if you're such a great player sitting out there on the perimeter never getting the ball Hardly doing anything? It's very embarrassing that we finally get a player this good, and coach has no idea what to do with him because he's not a great defender. Who cares about defense for a change! We need somebody who can score the ball and it's him. Yes he gives up some baskets, but if he was the number one or two option on our offense he would be scoring a lot of points which would really help us out. I just get so sick and tired of this defense first attitude. You need both for sure, but we need offense badly here. [ Agree with this ... Just do something to mix it up. Play more zone to hide defensive weaknesses if necessary. But do something to get more offense on the floor. Although, Pope hasn't been aggressive offensively either ... Ahhhh what the hell is wrong this year?
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Dec 22, 2015 15:11:45 GMT -8
Where I have a problem with your reasoning, is when you imply that it's not the players fault at all, it's the coaching. Fish isn't shooting them, and he's not the one playing with no energy. Actually he's asking for more energy. I'm a big Pope fan, but if he's as great as you make him out to be, then he would still be draining those threes regardless if a guy's hand is in his grill. They would then back off and he would have more room to create to the hole. He's flat footed right now. I know he can drive, but he has to knock a few down to get the opportunity. That is Fisher's job to help get him motivated. You get him motivated by getting him the ball with opportunities to move the ball and to score the ball. How excited would you be if you're such a great player sitting out there on the perimeter never getting the ball Hardly doing anything? It's very embarrassing that we finally get a player this good, and coach has no idea what to do with him because he's not a great defender. Who cares about defense for a change! We need somebody who can score the ball and it's him. Yes he gives up some baskets, but if he was the number one or two option on our offense he would be scoring a lot of points which would really help us out. I just get so sick and tired of this defense first attitude. You need both for sure, but we need offense badly here. So when I played at state and had to motivate myself and ultimately earned a starting varsity position, that was wrong? The coach should have motivated me? The coach should have made the breaks fit me that I made myself? The summers working out and improving my skills was actually on the coach, not me? Damn, I s cheated. Wait, I earned that myself, I became a part of the varsity on my own effort, nay, extra effort. I am successful today in my life and as an Aztec alum because of that. I'm sorry, KL didn't buy that, he worked his butt off. These kids on the football team did that in the off season. AQ, etc all did it and earned it. If he ever wants to be in the show, he will have to show the effort. It's on him. I hope he does it, I'm a huge fan but I haven't seen any initiative, effort or heart yet. That's on him.
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 22, 2015 15:52:39 GMT -8
That is Fisher's job to help get him motivated. You get him motivated by getting him the ball with opportunities to move the ball and to score the ball. How excited would you be if you're such a great player sitting out there on the perimeter never getting the ball Hardly doing anything? It's very embarrassing that we finally get a player this good, and coach has no idea what to do with him because he's not a great defender. Who cares about defense for a change! We need somebody who can score the ball and it's him. Yes he gives up some baskets, but if he was the number one or two option on our offense he would be scoring a lot of points which would really help us out. I just get so sick and tired of this defense first attitude. You need both for sure, but we need offense badly here. So when I played at state and had to motivate myself and ultimately earned a starting varsity position, that was wrong? The coach should have motivated me? The coach should have made the breaks fit me that I made myself? The summers working out and improving my skills was actually on the coach, not me? Damn, I s cheated. Wait, I earned that myself, I became a part of the varsity on my own effort, nay, extra effort. I am successful today in my life and as an Aztec alum because of that. I'm sorry, KL didn't buy that, he worked his butt off. These kids on the football team did that in the off season. AQ, etc all did it and earned it. If he ever wants to be in the show, he will have to show the effort. It's on him. I hope he does it, I'm a huge fan but I haven't seen any initiative, effort or heart yet. That's on him. Yes. If a coach has to motivate a player who's supposed to potentially get drafted, then that's horrible. I really do think a lot has gone to Popes head. And like I said, I'm a fan of his.
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Post by hoobs on Dec 22, 2015 16:12:51 GMT -8
So when I played at state and had to motivate myself and ultimately earned a starting varsity position, that was wrong? The coach should have motivated me? The coach should have made the breaks fit me that I made myself? The summers working out and improving my skills was actually on the coach, not me? Damn, I s cheated. Wait, I earned that myself, I became a part of the varsity on my own effort, nay, extra effort. I am successful today in my life and as an Aztec alum because of that. I'm sorry, KL didn't buy that, he worked his butt off. These kids on the football team did that in the off season. AQ, etc all did it and earned it. If he ever wants to be in the show, he will have to show the effort. It's on him. I hope he does it, I'm a huge fan but I haven't seen any initiative, effort or heart yet. That's on him. I cannot possibly "like" this post enough. Kudos, Luchador.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 17:20:15 GMT -8
That is Fisher's job to help get him motivated. You get him motivated by getting him the ball with opportunities to move the ball and to score the ball. How excited would you be if you're such a great player sitting out there on the perimeter never getting the ball Hardly doing anything? It's very embarrassing that we finally get a player this good, and coach has no idea what to do with him because he's not a great defender. Who cares about defense for a change! We need somebody who can score the ball and it's him. Yes he gives up some baskets, but if he was the number one or two option on our offense he would be scoring a lot of points which would really help us out. I just get so sick and tired of this defense first attitude. You need both for sure, but we need offense badly here. So when I played at state and had to motivate myself and ultimately earned a starting varsity position, that was wrong? The coach should have motivated me? The coach should have made the breaks fit me that I made myself? The summers working out and improving my skills was actually on the coach, not me? Damn, I s cheated. Wait, I earned that myself, I became a part of the varsity on my own effort, nay, extra effort. I am successful today in my life and as an Aztec alum because of that. I'm sorry, KL didn't buy that, he worked his butt off. These kids on the football team did that in the off season. AQ, etc all did it and earned it. If he ever wants to be in the show, he will have to show the effort. It's on him. I hope he does it, I'm a huge fan but I haven't seen any initiative, effort or heart yet. That's on him. Anyone who would say that, at this level, it's a coach's job to help motivate a player either never participated in sports above the HS level or is a troll (or both I suppose). Agree with your post wholeheartedly but I truly think you are wasting your time trying to change this poster's mind.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 22, 2015 18:14:42 GMT -8
That is Fisher's job to help get him motivated. You get him motivated by getting him the ball with opportunities to move the ball and to score the ball. How excited would you be if you're such a great player sitting out there on the perimeter never getting the ball Hardly doing anything? It's very embarrassing that we finally get a player this good, and coach has no idea what to do with him because he's not a great defender. Who cares about defense for a change! We need somebody who can score the ball and it's him. Yes he gives up some baskets, but if he was the number one or two option on our offense he would be scoring a lot of points which would really help us out. I just get so sick and tired of this defense first attitude. You need both for sure, but we need offense badly here. So when I played at state and had to motivate myself and ultimately earned a starting varsity position, that was wrong? The coach should have motivated me? The coach should have made the breaks fit me that I made myself? The summers working out and improving my skills was actually on the coach, not me? Damn, I s cheated. Wait, I earned that myself, I became a part of the varsity on my own effort, nay, extra effort. I am successful today in my life and as an Aztec alum because of that. I'm sorry, KL didn't buy that, he worked his butt off. These kids on the football team did that in the off season. AQ, etc all did it and earned it. If he ever wants to be in the show, he will have to show the effort. It's on him. I hope he does it, I'm a huge fan but I haven't seen any initiative, effort or heart yet. That's on him. It goes both ways. He can be as motivated as hell if he wants to and if he doesn't get the ball then what? Motivation is not the only thing here, plays need to be designed for him so he can excel at his strengths. It does not matter how excited or the great attitude he has, if he does not get the ball he can't do a damn thing. That is Coach Fisher's problem. He obviously does not feel part of this often I don't blame him because he's not at this point. That is the coaches responsibility. He has handled pope so bad this year, so underutilize it's sickening.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Dec 23, 2015 13:43:20 GMT -8
Well perhaps he should hit some shots and drive the conversation. He doesn't have a reputation as a hard off hours worker. That's squarely on him. His performance last night didn't help his case. Remember, Fish sees him practice, unless you are close to him, like an AAU guy, you don't see that.
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 23, 2015 13:52:30 GMT -8
To me, Pope is playing the same way he did last year in terms of he's just standing outside and launching MOST of the time. The only difference is that this year he's missing with regularity, and doing it with zero passion.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 23, 2015 23:02:10 GMT -8
To me, Pope is playing the same way he did last year in terms of he's just standing outside and launching MOST of the time. The only difference is that this year he's missing with regularity, and doing it with zero passion. He's been taking only 3 shots a game! That's a major problem and Fisher should be embarassed for that!
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Post by AzTex on Dec 24, 2015 9:14:49 GMT -8
To me, Pope is playing the same way he did last year in terms of he's just standing outside and launching MOST of the time. The only difference is that this year he's missing with regularity, and doing it with zero passion. He's been taking only 3 shots a game! That's a major problem and Fisher should be embarassed for that! You should be embarrassed for misrepresenting his stats. He is actually taking over 6 shots per game. He has taken the 3rd most shots (behind Hemsley and Kell) on the team for the season so far. He's only taken 1.2 shots per game fewer than Kell. He's taking .313 shots per minute played. Kell is taking .312 shots per minute played. Seems to me like Pope is getting his share.
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Post by Texaz on Dec 28, 2015 10:24:34 GMT -8
We are in a "what have you done lately era" which is too bad. Yes, there are problems with our offense and is has been well discussed. I looked up our 2010/11 season stats and we are not that far off. 2010/11 we shot 46.3% and our assists were 13.5/game vs. 2015 we are shooting 41.4% and our assists are 13.84/game. Yes we aren't hustling as we should. I think the guys are down on themselves and need to think positive. I remember DJ and X saying Fisher always told them to think positive. I haven't heard that this season. I am not in tune as some of you are because I live in the Dallas/Ft Worth area. I do think we will break out this, but I agree with several posts that next year will be better. Currently we are soft and need to toughen up. Hensley, Cheatham and Gill-Caesar will lead the 2016/17 team. The future is bright.
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Post by sdcoug on Dec 28, 2015 12:17:40 GMT -8
To me, Pope is playing the same way he did last year in terms of he's just standing outside and launching MOST of the time. The only difference is that this year he's missing with regularity, and doing it with zero passion. He's been taking only 3 shots a game! That's a major problem and Fisher should be embarassed for that! You are so far off its unreal. At least base your perceptions on truth and facts. The number of shots correlates with his PT, which he hasn't earned. When on the court, Pope is getting MORE looks than he did last year, and among the most on the team. Last year he got 20.5% of the shots when playing, ranking 5th. This year he's getting 22.7% ranking 4th. His issue isn't about getting looks, it's about not doing as much with them. That is a FACT! He's not getting PT because a) his D has been terrible often (not always), and b) his offensive production has been dismal. You can't have the worst offensive production and worst plus/minus and expect to be the focal point of the offense. i don't think there's a person on this board who thinks Pope doesn't have skills, or doesn't want him and the team to be Successful, but it's on him to put that in motion. The coaches have gone to him, more so than last year. He's just not cashing in on those looks. I know he has had some very good practices. Unfortunately he's not taking those to Viejas or on the road.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Dec 28, 2015 13:58:56 GMT -8
So when I played at state and had to motivate myself and ultimately earned a starting varsity position, that was wrong? The coach should have motivated me? The coach should have made the breaks fit me that I made myself? The summers working out and improving my skills was actually on the coach, not me? Damn, I s cheated. Wait, I earned that myself, I became a part of the varsity on my own effort, nay, extra effort. I am successful today in my life and as an Aztec alum because of that. I'm sorry, KL didn't buy that, he worked his butt off. These kids on the football team did that in the off season. AQ, etc all did it and earned it. If he ever wants to be in the show, he will have to show the effort. It's on him. I hope he does it, I'm a huge fan but I haven't seen any initiative, effort or heart yet. That's on him. Anyone who would say that, at this level, it's a coach's job to help motivate a player either never participated in sports above the HS level or is a troll (or both I suppose). Agree with your post wholeheartedly but I truly think you are wasting your time trying to change this poster's mind.Not just "this poster." As many as three others agree with him. Which makes, what, about 6% of the hoops fans here?
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Post by 94sdsu on Dec 28, 2015 20:36:08 GMT -8
Even as a season ticket holder, I finally made my first game of the year for the KU game as life's gotten in the way of the others and must say, our offense sucks. KU has players in constant motion when they have the ball. 4 guys, it not all 5, are always on the move. Our offense has 1 - 2, or maybe 3, guys moving at a time. There was one possesion in particular I noticed that we had the guy with the ball on the right side of the court dribbling hand to hand. Then there was another Aztec standing still next to him ready to set a pick if he moved, but again, he was just standing there and had already assumed his spot. The other 3 guys on the court were standing on the left side (the opposite side) behind the arc, 2 side by side and 1 about 6' away. So in total, we had 4 guys standing still with one guy bouncing the ball. And no, it wasn't the last 10 seconds of a half or anything, it was just our standard offensive set. It was absolulely terrible to see the lack of offense we have compared to a "real" offensive set.
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Post by bearfoot on Dec 28, 2015 22:36:03 GMT -8
So when I played at state and had to motivate myself and ultimately earned a starting varsity position, that was wrong? The coach should have motivated me? The coach should have made the breaks fit me that I made myself? The summers working out and improving my skills was actually on the coach, not me? Damn, I s cheated. Wait, I earned that myself, I became a part of the varsity on my own effort, nay, extra effort. I am successful today in my life and as an Aztec alum because of that. I'm sorry, KL didn't buy that, he worked his butt off. These kids on the football team did that in the off season. AQ, etc all did it and earned it. If he ever wants to be in the show, he will have to show the effort. It's on him. I hope he does it, I'm a huge fan but I haven't seen any initiative, effort or heart yet. That's on him. It goes both ways. He can be as motivated as hell if he wants to and if he doesn't get the ball then what? Motivation is not the only thing here, plays need to be designed for him so he can excel at his strengths. It does not matter how excited or the great attitude he has, if he does not get the ball he can't do a damn thing. That is Coach Fisher's problem. He obviously does not feel part of this often I don't blame him because he's not at this point. That is the coaches responsibility. He has handled pope so bad this year, so underutilize it's sickening. Dude lacklustered (new word) and settled his way to the bench. He had plenty of chances to show his game. He had plays run for him, but it seems that he would rather take an outside set shot, than pass and work to get a better shot. I wonder if he noticed how hard those Jay Hawks worked to get a good shot? I hope so. He probably isn't lazy, but that is what the young man shows on the court. I wonder if he has ever been challenged, athletically, before? There is pressure on him now, and we will see if he will succeed. I hope so, because it will make our team better.
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