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Post by longtimesdsufan on Dec 14, 2015 7:23:40 GMT -8
Feed the trolls and they will come.
There will always be posters that think they know more than the coach, yet have never coached a team. Ask them where they have coached and you will get no answer.
In my opinion, there are different level of fans. The lowest are lose a game, fire the coach. The highest are long term perspective with realistic expectations. I am not sure that people really have a choice in their ability to analyze performance. It is instant gratification versus delayed gratification kind of thinking. Some part social and some genetic. However the fact is, trying to argue for different behavior is a waste of time.
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Post by standiego on Dec 14, 2015 8:41:26 GMT -8
Little doubt from anyone coach Fisher has taken SDSU from nothing to being considered a MBB Program . Has been a great coach for SDSU .
So the question is now . What is considered a successful year for the team this year(present) and going forward ? What do we see as being a successful year ? Beating a top rated team or two ? Playing exciting basketball ? Competitive in MW? Winning MW Conference ? Winning MW T ? Getting To NIT ? Getting to MM ? Winning how many games and getting to what level of MM ? Coach has raised the bar for the MBB program , what do you think it should be now and in the future for the team ?
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Dec 14, 2015 9:36:50 GMT -8
The next logical step would be for the coaches to buy into the "rent-a-player" system (a team comprising of one-and-done players) ala Kentucky, Kansas, Arizona, and now Duke. Gone is the idea of recruiting and graduating players...
The moment the NBA decides to allow players to enter the NBA draft out of high school will be the end of those "programs"...at least until they find a way to re-stock their rosters with actual student athletes instead of players who don't plan on graduating (or going to class) and jumping to the NBA as soon as the rules allow them...
Some of the notable exceptions to this unwelcome trend are teams like Wisconsin, Gonzaga, Wichita St., and Mich St. who have had a lot of success keeping players through their Sr. year (albeit no championships among them)
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Post by azzfan on Dec 14, 2015 9:43:41 GMT -8
The next logical step would be for the coaches to buy into the "rent-a-player" system (a team comprising of one-and-done players) ala Kentucky, Kansas, Arizona, and now Duke. Gone is the idea of recruiting and graduating players... The moment the NBA decides to allow players to enter the NBA draft out of high school will be the end of those "programs"...at least until they find a way to re-stock their rosters with actual student athletes instead of players who don't plan on graduating (or going to class) and jumping to the NBA as soon as the rules allow them... Some of the notable exceptions to this unwelcome trend are teams like Wisconsin, Gonzaga, Wichita St., and Mich St. who have had a lot of success keeping players through their Sr. year (albeit no championships among them) Izzo has gotten his Spartans to the Final 4 roughly every other year since 2000 when he won a national championship. Yeah, I think I'll take that guy.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Dec 14, 2015 10:19:24 GMT -8
What guy?...Izzo?...
All we would need to do to get him to leave MSU would be to offer him and his assistants about $8M per year (his current compensation is slightly over $4M)...plus his personal shoe contract with Nike ($400K)...
Oh yeah...and MSU has B10 money for recruiting and facilities...but who knows...he might be willing to trade A LOT of money for some sunshine (currently Steve Fisher earns under $1M with his shoe contract)
Actually Billy Donovan has been the most successful coach over the past 10 years in terms of E8 appearances / FFs / NCs...the OKC Thunder now pays him $30M over 5 years..oh and btw...Florida had no state income tax and has a recruiting / facilities budget of a SEC school...
So there's our benchmark in terms of hiring a "better" coach...
Aztecs fans should be kissing the ground that Steve Fisher walks...doing what he has for our university while being grossly underpaid as compared to his peers...
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Post by northcountymike on Dec 14, 2015 11:24:59 GMT -8
CTAP and NCMike = the worst in fandom; lacking perspective and greedily seeking what they probably can't have. Why can't you two develop any appreciation for what has been achieved here? I'll tell you why: you are simply two little pissants In a pod who want to be entitled, just like those you profess to hate. But there you are; two little whiners wanting to bring down all of the support and caring that has come about here in recent years. I so wish you would take a hike and become Duke supporters. Front runners. "Greedily seek what we probably can't have." Wow, so we can't have a national championship? Ok, got it. I love how far this team has come....but now I would like more; it's simply time. "You play to win the game" (Aztec "legend" Herm Edwards). Apparently I've been a fan of this team longer than most; it's not about self-entitlement, it's about realizing and understanding that this team is capable of greater things and should want more. As fans, we should accept that. Sounds to me like many posters here are "new" themselves. When you've been a fan of a team so long and know what they're capable of, you want more because you know they can do it. Never said I don't appreciate what has been achieved. It's simply time to advance to the next level. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand. How long have you had season tickets? I'll wait. Yep, I must be a horrible fan, shelling out cash every year to renew my tickets and watch my local team. Buying SDSU apparel, telling other people to watch the games, etc. Oh, but I guess I need to keep my mouth shut because some people get their feelings hurt whenever I say something critical about the team. Careful about the "pissants" comments, too...with the name-calling and personal insults, this thread is about to get locked.
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Post by azdick on Dec 14, 2015 12:00:31 GMT -8
CTAP and NCMike = the worst in fandom; lacking perspective and greedily seeking what they probably can't have. Why can't you two develop any appreciation for what has been achieved here? I'll tell you why: you are simply two little pissants In a pod who want to be entitled, just like those you profess to hate. But there you are; two little whiners wanting to bring down all of the support and caring that has come about here in recent years. I so wish you would take a hike and become Duke supporters. Front runners. "Greedily seek what we probably can't have." Wow, so we can't have a national championship? Ok, got it. I love how far this team has come....but now I would like more; it's simply time. "You play to win the game" (Aztec "legend" Herm Edwards). Apparently I've been a fan of this team longer than most; it's not about self-entitlement, it's about realizing and understanding that this team is capable of greater things and should want more. As fans, we should accept that. Sounds to me like many posters here are "new" themselves. When you've been a fan of a team so long and know what they're capable of, you want more because you know they can do it. Never said I don't appreciate what has been achieved. It's simply time to advance to the next level. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand. How long have you had season tickets? I'll wait. Yep, I must be a horrible fan, shelling out cash every year to renew my tickets and watch my local team. Buying SDSU apparel, telling other people to watch the games, etc. Oh, but I guess I need to keep my mouth shut because some people get their feelings hurt whenever I say something critical about the team. Careful about the "pissants" comments, too...with the name-calling and personal insults, this thread is about to get locked. Well, it would be hard to beli ve that you've been on board longer than me, since my first year was 1962 and Inhave endured every season since, good, bad and horrible. Despite your alleged fielty, you still seem to lack the ability to put it all in perspective. You got it made in the shade, but can't seem to accept success. So be it, Debbie Doubter.
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Post by drshotblock on Dec 14, 2015 12:21:49 GMT -8
An appearance in the Final Four would the dream come true. Winning a National Championship is exceedingly difficult, but making the FF is a realistic goal for this program. The Kawhi/DJ Gay team had a real shot at that. For some reason, I have the feeling next year's team is going to be really good. Better than this year's crew.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Dec 14, 2015 12:38:25 GMT -8
An appearance in the Final Four would the dream come true. Winning a National Championship is exceedingly difficult, but making the FF is a realistic goal for this program. The Kawhi/DJ Gay team had a real shot at that. For some reason, I have the feeling next year's team is going to be really good. Better than this year's crew. In the opinion of some posters...next year's team can't possibly be any worse than this year's team...
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Post by northcountymike on Dec 14, 2015 12:42:59 GMT -8
"Greedily seek what we probably can't have." Wow, so we can't have a national championship? Ok, got it. I love how far this team has come....but now I would like more; it's simply time. "You play to win the game" (Aztec "legend" Herm Edwards). Apparently I've been a fan of this team longer than most; it's not about self-entitlement, it's about realizing and understanding that this team is capable of greater things and should want more. As fans, we should accept that. Sounds to me like many posters here are "new" themselves. When you've been a fan of a team so long and know what they're capable of, you want more because you know they can do it. Never said I don't appreciate what has been achieved. It's simply time to advance to the next level. I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand. How long have you had season tickets? I'll wait. Yep, I must be a horrible fan, shelling out cash every year to renew my tickets and watch my local team. Buying SDSU apparel, telling other people to watch the games, etc. Oh, but I guess I need to keep my mouth shut because some people get their feelings hurt whenever I say something critical about the team. Careful about the "pissants" comments, too...with the name-calling and personal insults, this thread is about to get locked. Well, it would be hard to beli ve that you've been on board longer than me, since my first year was 1962 and Inhave endured every season since, good, bad and horrible. Despite your alleged fielty, you still seem to lack the ability to put it all in perspective. You got it made in the shade, but can't seem to accept success. So be it, Debbie Doubter. Apparently, the San Diego weather has turned you into what the rest of the country thinks of our fans: fairweathered. This type of mindset is typical of lots of SD sports fans. How can I have it "made in the shade" when none of my sports teams (college or pro) have ever won anything truly meaningful? I've been on board since the Peterson Gym days, but I know that it's time to start accepting the fact that we are capable of much bigger things than we are currently accepting. Well-done on 1962, by the way. If I had been born before I was, I imagine I'd be in the same boat. Also, nice vocabulary word ("fielty").
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 14, 2015 14:22:20 GMT -8
An appearance in the Final Four would the dream come true. Winning a National Championship is exceedingly difficult, but making the FF is a realistic goal for this program. The Kawhi/DJ Gay team had a real shot at that. For some reason, I have the feeling next year's team is going to be really good. Better than this year's crew. No knock on Trey but from what I've heard and read, the transfer from Mizzou might take his spot in the starting lineup the way he has been doing against the starters in practice
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Post by azdick on Dec 14, 2015 21:05:27 GMT -8
Well, it would be hard to beli ve that you've been on board longer than me, since my first year was 1962 and Inhave endured every season since, good, bad and horrible. Despite your alleged fielty, you still seem to lack the ability to put it all in perspective. You got it made in the shade, but can't seem to accept success. So be it, Debbie Doubter. Apparently, the San Diego weather has turned you into what the rest of the country thinks of our fans: fairweathered. This type of mindset is typical of lots of SD sports fans. How can I have it "made in the shade" when none of my sports teams (college or pro) have ever won anything truly meaningful? I've been on board since the Peterson Gym days, but I know that it's time to start accepting the fact that we are capable of much bigger things than we are currently accepting. Well-done on 1962, by the way. If I had been born before I was, I imagine I'd be in the same boat. Also, nice vocabulary word ("fielty"). I think you are missing something about what being "fair weathered" means. Fair weathered is what YOU are, I.e., someone who supports their team only in the good times; you know, like a front runner. Now if you had some perspective...
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Post by northcountymike on Dec 15, 2015 2:43:57 GMT -8
Apparently, the San Diego weather has turned you into what the rest of the country thinks of our fans: fairweathered. This type of mindset is typical of lots of SD sports fans. How can I have it "made in the shade" when none of my sports teams (college or pro) have ever won anything truly meaningful? I've been on board since the Peterson Gym days, but I know that it's time to start accepting the fact that we are capable of much bigger things than we are currently accepting. Well-done on 1962, by the way. If I had been born before I was, I imagine I'd be in the same boat. Also, nice vocabulary word ("fielty"). I think you are missing something about what being "fair weathered" means. Fair weathered is what YOU are, I.e., someone who supports their team only in the good times; you know, like a front runner. Now if you had some perspective... Oh brother...I only support my teams in the good times? I've been and will continue to be a SD sports fun until I die. Knowing what our teams are capable of and wanting more is not the mark of a fair-weathered fan. To me, a fair-weathered fan is YOU; someone fully content with the way things are, and not truly passionate about what we could be (i.e., "Oh well there's always next year."). So, you see? Your perception is different than mine, so stop insinuating that mine is "wrong." Perspective is just that...someone's own perspective. Just because my views differ from some on the board doesn't make me a bad fan, geez.
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Post by jpaztec on Dec 15, 2015 6:29:28 GMT -8
This thread hurts my brain.
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Post by sdcoug on Dec 15, 2015 7:35:50 GMT -8
An appearance in the Final Four would the dream come true. Winning a National Championship is exceedingly difficult, but making the FF is a realistic goal for this program. The Kawhi/DJ Gay team had a real shot at that. For some reason, I have the feeling next year's team is going to be really good. Better than this year's crew. No knock on Trey but from what I've heard and read, the transfer from Mizzou might take his spot in the starting lineup the way he has been doing against the starters in practice I dont think it'd be Kell hitting the pine for MCG.
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Post by legkick on Dec 15, 2015 9:15:06 GMT -8
Oh brother...I only support my teams in the good times? I've been and will continue to be a SD sports fun until I die. Knowing what our teams are capable of and wanting more is not the mark of a fair-weathered fan. To me, a fair-weathered fan is YOU; someone fully content with the way things are, and not truly passionate about what we could be (i.e., "Oh well there's always next year."). So, you see? Your perception is different than mine, so stop insinuating that mine is "wrong." Perspective is just that...someone's own perspective. Just because my views differ from some on the board doesn't make me a bad fan, geez. Really? Here is the relevant dictionary definition of fair weather: loyal or helpful only during times of success and happinessNo one besides yourself has EVER used that adjective the way you are using it, so congratulations on making up your own, not-so-common sense definition. So, yes, by any objective standard, you are dead WRONG as to the term "fair weather".
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Post by standiego on Dec 15, 2015 10:03:14 GMT -8
So question remains what do you consider as the basic standard for the SDSU basketball team this year and going forward . what is considered basic ? and meeting expected goals ? to be considered a successful year ?
Fair weathered fans ..... should be another topic
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Post by sdcoug on Dec 15, 2015 10:26:14 GMT -8
So question remains what do you consider as the basic standard for the SDSU basketball team this year and going forward . what is considered basic ? and meeting expected goals ? to be considered a successful year ? Fair weathered fans ..... should be another topic As Dutcher said in the post game interview the other day, the team's goal every year is to win the conference. THAT is their main goal. Obviously, you can always want more but ultimately, as Rocky has also said, winning the conference is the main objective of the coaching staff and "preseason" (quoting Dutch) is a means to prepare to win the conference and winning the conference gives you a chance to accomplish more.
As for "basic standard", ultimately it's to just enjoy the ride. What we've accomplished over the past 6 seasons is exceptional & very rare. If anyone has been "disappointed" by the end result that's on them, because we've had 6 "successful years" in a row. I get being initially disappointed after a loss or at the end of the season, but looking back every one has been very successful. There's a reason few have accomplished what we have; there's also a reason the streak won't go on forever.
Like every year, I'm hopeful for a NCAA run. If that happens, I'm stoked (& usually broke). The further the better. But also realize just getting into the dance is an accomplishment, but that'll happen every year we accomplish our goal of winning the conference. I also realize there will be ups & downs throughout a season, and sometimes breaks go with you & sometimes they go against you. A bad break can end a season. That's what makes sports so enjoyable (& also what drives you mad).
So no matter what, I'll enjoy the ride & enjoy the season. They're an entertaining product to watch & follow, even if they make you want to pull your hair out at times.
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Post by northcountymike on Dec 15, 2015 11:28:12 GMT -8
Oh brother...I only support my teams in the good times? I've been and will continue to be a SD sports fun until I die. Knowing what our teams are capable of and wanting more is not the mark of a fair-weathered fan. To me, a fair-weathered fan is YOU; someone fully content with the way things are, and not truly passionate about what we could be (i.e., "Oh well there's always next year."). So, you see? Your perception is different than mine, so stop insinuating that mine is "wrong." Perspective is just that...someone's own perspective. Just because my views differ from some on the board doesn't make me a bad fan, geez. Really? Here is the relevant dictionary definition of fair weather: loyal or helpful only during times of success and happinessNo one besides yourself has EVER used that adjective the way you are using it, so congratulations on making up your own, not-so-common sense definition. So, yes, by any objective standard, you are dead WRONG as to the term "fair weather". Alright, thanks for a definition. Again, I've been a SD sports fan my entire life, have bought season tickets for multiple teams, and continue to watch my teams. Have the Aztecs, Padres, or Chargers always been good every year for the last 35 years? Because that's how long I've been a fan. How many championships have "we" won? But hey, if you want to say that I'm not a fan simply because I suggest that we're good enough to win more, go ahead. I'm not going to stop supporting my team or being a fan but as long as I am a fan, I'll have my criticisms, and that doesn't make me any less of a fan. I think it makes me a passionate one. Anything on the contrary and you're just blindly following your team and accepting that the best is behind them.
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Post by ignoranus on Dec 15, 2015 11:33:01 GMT -8
What does fealty mean?
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