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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Dec 19, 2015 15:42:34 GMT -8
unranked Utah just defeats #7 Duke. Fire the coach... The coach doesn't short arm his shots off the front of the rim!!
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Dec 19, 2015 16:24:45 GMT -8
Exactly. These guys just don't get it. I keep hearing up about how good Little Rock is LOL. Really? Lol they are horrible and we should've never lost any of those three games against these crappy teams. Obviously Coach Fisher took the summer off on the offensive side of the ball like he does every summer it appears. Lol He has the third most shots on the team and is shooting .291 (only person worse is 0-3 Frederico). He has taken the third most threes and is shooting .216 (worst on the team of a bunch of poor 3-point shooters) He has taken only 15 free throws. The only Aztecs with less are D'Erryl by one (on 1/5 of the shots), Perez, and the other walk-ons. He doesn't move on offense. He missed a number of defensive rebounds yesterday because his hands weren't up, and they went over his head. He's 6'10," rebounds shouldn't go over him. The last time he got pulled from the game yesterday, he sulked to the bench, walking slowly, in front of the coaches as play was resumed. Fisher reached out and pushed him out of the way. He is frustrated, and it's effecting his attitude. Problem is, this will only continue to effect his performance in a negative way, which will cause him to lose more minutes, which will get him more frustrated. If he wants more shots, he needs to have more energy, move more, and maybe become the one guy that actually listens and learns whatever offense the coaches are teaching, because more often than not, the coaches are angry with frustration after yet another confusing and lackadaisical offensive set by the whole team. That being said, unless he changes something about himself, no, he does not need to be taking more shots. Thank you Zuma. Fact and reason. This Ctap guy has none of either. Further, he is aggressive and false in his criticism with no perspective of context, bringing shame on the Aztec fans. That's why I think he isn't an Aztec but probably another AAU guy with an agenda.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 20, 2015 12:42:35 GMT -8
He has the third most shots on the team and is shooting .291 (only person worse is 0-3 Frederico). He has taken the third most threes and is shooting .216 (worst on the team of a bunch of poor 3-point shooters) He has taken only 15 free throws. The only Aztecs with less are D'Erryl by one (on 1/5 of the shots), Perez, and the other walk-ons. He doesn't move on offense. He missed a number of defensive rebounds yesterday because his hands weren't up, and they went over his head. He's 6'10," rebounds shouldn't go over him. The last time he got pulled from the game yesterday, he sulked to the bench, walking slowly, in front of the coaches as play was resumed. Fisher reached out and pushed him out of the way. He is frustrated, and it's effecting his attitude. Problem is, this will only continue to effect his performance in a negative way, which will cause him to lose more minutes, which will get him more frustrated. If he wants more shots, he needs to have more energy, move more, and maybe become the one guy that actually listens and learns whatever offense the coaches are teaching, because more often than not, the coaches are angry with frustration after yet another confusing and lackadaisical offensive set by the whole team. That being said, unless he changes something about himself, no, he does not need to be taking more shots. Thank you Zuma. Fact and reason. This Ctap guy has none of either. Further, he is aggressive and false in his criticism with no perspective of context, bringing shame on the Aztec fans. That's why I think he isn't an Aztec but probably another AAU guy with an agenda. Lol you got it there! Wow! Keep thinking we are good and that coach is doin a good job with the offense! Shame? I'm a real fan and I don't keep my blinders on like most of u guys do! Keep acting like Fisher is God! Lol
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Post by oldie on Dec 20, 2015 17:44:23 GMT -8
do you think ctap13 might be rice trying to eliminate some competition?
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Post by northcountymike on Dec 20, 2015 21:20:04 GMT -8
Thank you Zuma. Fact and reason. This Ctap guy has none of either. Further, he is aggressive and false in his criticism with no perspective of context, bringing shame on the Aztec fans. That's why I think he isn't an Aztec but probably another AAU guy with an agenda. Lol you got it there! Wow! Keep thinking we are good and that coach is doin a good job with the offense! Shame? I'm a real fan and I don't keep my blinders on like most of u guys do! Keep acting like Fisher is God! Lol Funny, ctap; after "our" terrible loss to GCU, the usual Fisher fanatics haven't been around too much. Why not? Are they realizing that perhaps coaching is part of the problem? And also, this team just isn't that good? (Am I allowed to say that or does that hurt people's feelings? Haha). Or, are they the fair-weathered fans that only seem to make a lot of noise when we're winning? Who knows?
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 20, 2015 23:12:01 GMT -8
Lol you got it there! Wow! Keep thinking we are good and that coach is doin a good job with the offense! Shame? I'm a real fan and I don't keep my blinders on like most of u guys do! Keep acting like Fisher is God! Lol Funny, ctap; after "our" terrible loss to GCU, the usual Fisher fanatics haven't been around too much. Why not? Are they realizing that perhaps coaching is part of the problem? And also, this team just isn't that good? (Am I allowed to say that or does that hurt people's feelings? Haha). Or, are they the fair-weathered fans that only seem to make a lot of noise when we're winning? Who knows? I know what you mean. not only did we lose those games, we scored in the 40s aT home. LOL this is big time on the coaching staff it's their fault not the players fault. What's the point of even having Coach Fisher if he lets his team play the way they want to play and does nothing to improve the offense? That is not coaching. Time for him to go to the bookstore and buy a book on Coaching Offense 101. Everybody is quick to blame Pope, but they cannot see how nothing is designed for him. Who cares if he will get drafted at the end of this year or not, the bottom line is the guy is a stud everybody knows it except Coach Fisher and also these fans wearing blinders.
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Post by breaztec on Dec 20, 2015 23:23:40 GMT -8
Agree this is on the coaches, they don't run any sort of offense. Zero ball movement. Never try to go inside. All teams just pack it down low and dare us to shot outside. We make it so easy for them to defend and rebound. He needs to coach an offense, love coach but I think the game has past him by. Also don't want dutcher, if he is the coach in waiting why isn't he coaching the offense or is he?
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 20, 2015 23:32:59 GMT -8
Agree this is on the coaches, they don't run any sort of offense. Zero ball movement. Never try to go inside. All teams just pack it down low and dare us to shot outside. We make it so easy for them to defend and rebound. He needs to coach an offense, love coach but I think the game has past him by. Also don't want dutcher, if he is the coach in waiting why isn't he coaching the offense or is he? Very nice post. Makes a lot of sense what you're saying. Now why do the others not understand this?
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Post by northcountymike on Dec 21, 2015 0:17:05 GMT -8
Agree this is on the coaches, they don't run any sort of offense. Zero ball movement. Never try to go inside. All teams just pack it down low and dare us to shot outside. We make it so easy for them to defend and rebound. He needs to coach an offense, love coach but I think the game has past him by. Also don't want dutcher, if he is the coach in waiting why isn't he coaching the offense or is he? Very nice post. Makes a lot of sense what you're saying. Now why do the others not understand this? Agreed. I think it's important to say that just because the coaching hasn't been good, doesn't mean that we don't like or appreciate what Fisher does and has brought to the university as well as the community of San Diego. Lots of nay sayers assume that just because a few of us are fed up with the lack of an offensive scheme and dare to admit that perhaps the game is passing him by, it means that we hate Coach. It's simply not true.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Dec 21, 2015 14:45:16 GMT -8
Very nice post. Makes a lot of sense what you're saying. Now why do the others not understand this? Agreed. I think it's important to say that just because the coaching hasn't been good, doesn't mean that we don't like or appreciate what Fisher does and has brought to the university as well as the community of San Diego. Lots of nay sayers assume that just because a few of us are fed up with the lack of an offensive scheme and dare to admit that perhaps the game is passing him by, it means that we hate Coach. It's simply not true. You aren't reading what ctap has been saying this season. Let me summarize it. "Fisher has no idea what he is doing. He isn't giving Malik Pope any touches or working him in to the game plan. He needs to go. He's been miserable for years and I've been telling you that." Well he's been wrong all these years or however long he's been posting in whatever name. Now after a bad few games he suddenly is right? No he finally has a few games that he can crow about being right when he's been wrong all this time. Does he bother actually looking at Pope's minutes or shooting percentage? No many people have tried to tell him that but he won't listen. He just continues to hate on Fisher, fails to respond to reasonable responses or counter arguments. He clearly has an agenda and Pope is at the top. Perhaps Pope needs to improve his shooting and subordinate himself to the team game. We all want Pope to succeed and be a big part of this team but he has not shown his desire ability to better or try to work himself in on this offense. As for Fisher, he has shown over the years when some teens start with bad chemistry that he has the ability to get that team playing well and win banners. I disagree in principle with those that say he has earned the right to stay as long as he wants. I know he'll step down the minute he thinks he can't still contribute. I think he has earned the right to prove he'll win banners. This has been a bad start. He needs the leaders to step up or step aside for the young guns like Z. More later.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 21, 2015 14:56:03 GMT -8
Very nice post. Makes a lot of sense what you're saying. Now why do the others not understand this? Agreed. I think it's important to say that just because the coaching hasn't been good, doesn't mean that we don't like or appreciate what Fisher does and has brought to the university as well as the community of San Diego. Lots of nay sayers assume that just because a few of us are fed up with the lack of an offensive scheme and dare to admit that perhaps the game is passing him by, it means that we hate Coach. It's simply not true. I totally agree with you here!
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 21, 2015 14:58:22 GMT -8
Agreed. I think it's important to say that just because the coaching hasn't been good, doesn't mean that we don't like or appreciate what Fisher does and has brought to the university as well as the community of San Diego. Lots of nay sayers assume that just because a few of us are fed up with the lack of an offensive scheme and dare to admit that perhaps the game is passing him by, it means that we hate Coach. It's simply not true. You aren't reading what ctap has been saying this season. Let me summarize it. "Fisher has no idea what he is doing. He isn't giving Malik Pope any touches or working him in to the game plan. He needs to go. He's been miserable for years and I've been telling you that." Well he's been wrong all these years or however long he's been posting in whatever name. Now after a bad few games he suddenly is right? No he finally has a few games that he can crow about being right when he's been wrong all this time. Does he bother actually looking at Pope's minutes or shooting percentage? No many people have tried to tell him that but he won't listen. He just continues to hate on Fisher, fails to respond to reasonable responses or counter arguments. He clearly has an agenda and Pope is at the top. Perhaps Pope needs to improve his shooting and subordinate himself to the team game. We all want Pope to succeed and be a big part of this team but he has not shown his desire ability to better or try to work himself in on this offense. As for Fisher, he has shown over the years when some teens start with bad chemistry that he has the ability to get that team playing well and win banners. I disagree in principle with those that say he has earned the right to stay as long as he wants. I know he'll step down the minute he thinks he can't still contribute. I think he has earned the right to prove he'll win banners. This has been a bad start. He needs the leaders to step up or step aside for the young guns like Z. More later. What is he supposed to do out on the perimeter start yelling at everybody to throw him the ball? Stop blaming the players it's not that it's the coaches that that should be able to design place to get him the ball.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Dec 21, 2015 15:58:44 GMT -8
How about making some shots and not standing on the perimeter like a stiff?
I like and respect him but he has to take some initiative, it's a motion offense, not something else. I want him to succeed.
Fish earned our respect. Look at the banners hanging from the rafters, how many are there from before his term? They're not there by accident. He wasn't CoY by accident either.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 22, 2015 2:17:06 GMT -8
How about making some shots and not standing on the perimeter like a stiff? I like and respect him but he has to take some initiative, it's a motion offense, not something else. I want him to succeed. Fish earned our respect. Look at the banners hanging from the rafters, how many are there from before his term? They're not there by accident. He wasn't CoY by accident either. That's the design of the offense though. He supposed to stay there and do nothing basically. It's a horrible play they don't even look his way either he should be the number one or number two scoring option on our team. He is so talented with the basketball he does not need to be sitting out there by himself doing nothing just looking for a three-pointer as coach wants him to do. It's like coach only refers to him as a three-point shooter. I've never seen anything like it before. Every coach in America would love to have Pope on their team, The coach has no idea how to use him, as he keeps running those dumb plays. Time for him to mix it up a little bit and bring something in that works instead of the same dumb plays every year That don't work. I definitely love and respect Coach Fisher for what he has done to San Diego and our school. He has done a great job! With that being said, RT need to keep getting better it's a go further and I feel like we're never going to do that with him as the coach. He's too stubborn to old-school we need somebody in here who knows how to teach a 2015/16 version of an offense.
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Post by jpaztec on Dec 22, 2015 6:33:07 GMT -8
For me this whole formula is pretty easy, when skill players get benched, they lose confidence, and shots don't fall/production goes down. If we don't make shots, defenses crowd the paint making a post game nearly non existent, and making Offensive rebounding much more difficult. If we have any sort of hope to win today and further down the line this season, Jeremy, Trey, Dakarai, and Malik have to hit jumpers when they're open, and force teams to guard us on the perimeter, opening up what Winston does best which is get to the basket and get fouled. And if we shoot 50% from the line...that doesn't help either.
I'm sure Coach Fish is well aware of this issue, and his goal needs to find a way for us to get EASY buckets to get some confidence going. Back door lobs, run outs, wide open jumpers...something to get things the game flow going in a positive direction. If the guys can't/don't finish, that's on them, not coach. This isn't 4th grade hoops here, there are potential Pros on this team, and if they can't finish at the rim or make the easy pass for a bucket, that needs to fall on them, Coach can't do it for them.
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Post by legkick on Dec 22, 2015 8:44:39 GMT -8
You're not going to get back door lobs against a packed in 2-3 zone or a packed in man to man defense that goes under screens. You can get back door lobs against a 3-2 zone, and Fisher already drew up a successful one to Pope this year.
You can get run outs if you get more live ball turnovers and if you run a break after a missed shot. They showed some of the latter against Nicholls. Unfortunately, Hemsley and Kell are not currently good at getting steals, so they aren't going to get many run outs from turnovers.
The offense is already creating a bunch of wide open jumpers; although it might be rational to argue that the failures of the offense cause teams to pack it in and allow a lot of wide open jumpers. They simply aren't hitting enough of them to open up the offense.
You're also not going to be able to finish easily at the rim when the defense is packed in.
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Post by ctap13 on Dec 22, 2015 8:55:48 GMT -8
You're not going to get back door lobs against a packed in 2-3 zone or a packed in man to man defense that goes under screens. You can get back door lobs against a 3-2 zone, and Fisher already drew up a successful one to Pope this year. You can get run outs if you get more live ball turnovers and if you run a break after a missed shot. They showed some of the latter against Nicholls. Unfortunately, Hemsley and Kell are not currently good at getting steals, so they aren't going to get many run outs from turnovers. The offense is already creating a bunch of wide open jumpers; although it might be rational to argue that the failures of the offense cause teams to pack it in and allow a lot of wide open jumpers. They simply aren't hitting enough of them to open up the offense. You're also not going to be able to finish easily at the rim when the defense is packed in. So our crappy offense should just get blamed on us missing open jump shots? No. When we score 40 points a game multiple times of a season, it's much more than that and we need to just stop blaming the players. We should not be settling for outside shots we should be attacking the hoop. Fishers offense does not attack for hoop and that is a flaw in his design. Pope should be on the move towards the hoop not just standing there for jump shots as coach wants them to. He's much more than just a shooter.
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Post by dunksalot on Dec 22, 2015 9:36:56 GMT -8
Our "open threes" are not really that open so I'm not buying the theory that our opponents leave us wide open. They do pack in the key forcing us to prove we can hit from the outside but our offense is so lacking in off-ball screens that those aren't as "wide open" as people make them out to be. Against West Virginia we had nothing open anywhere at any time. In fact, you can make a strong argument that our opponents have had more open threes than we've had - especially if Pope was guarding them becasue his perimeter D is one of the worst I've ever seen.
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Post by standiego on Dec 22, 2015 10:12:44 GMT -8
In basics we are way too easy to guard , we do not move that often with out the ball. Stand around . We dribble way too much . We need to move more and pass quickly . Sure seems as though we dribble numerous times before we make a pass , pass is not the first thought but dribble until contested then make a pass . Watch how often and quickly other teams move the ball . our guys like to dribble and play one on one basketball . Watched on another post Fisher working on some set plays , very little dribbling more passes . Then during the game we do the opposite , dribble ,dribble, dribble , then get contested and Forced to pass . guys moving and a few passes moves the ball a lot better then all the dribbling . We also do not follow the shot , take the shot and you better finish it with a score or rebound . There is a disconnect between practice and the games . Why - that is something that needs to be figured out. Any one can shoot , but it does take team work to get better % shots . Especially if you have a team that is not noted for outside shooting and we are not . so you have to work harder . Most guys can get open during the first 10 seconds of the shot clock for a 3, but is that the best shot , yes if you are not working to get open , it does take good set plays, movement, work and energy . There are problems with the offense . Every one knows it . Coaches get credit for D , now more time needs to gone over ways to improve the offense . Effort has been brought up it is poor effort and why . Why being most important , that takes some very needed one on one conversations with each guy . Is the effort there in practice ? Is it not being motivated , or not believing in the offensive schemes , not executing do to skill or attitude . ? Things have changed in college basketball. Yes in today's world this is all part of coaching , getting the guys to buy into what is being taught , being motivated and looks like effort . If effort is a problem then coaches need to acknowledge it and correct it.
Fisher is a great guy and produced numerous good teams here at SDSU . Gets credit for the Defense at SDSU . Now he needs take ownership for the problems with the offense and get them fixed , be it effort, schemes, motivation , shot selection or all of them it is all part of coaching .
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Post by jiggy on Dec 22, 2015 10:39:33 GMT -8
Aztec BB = Street ball
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