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Post by Gundo on Feb 28, 2016 12:33:47 GMT -8
www.thenewstribune.com/sports/high-school/article62994337.htmlFederal Way 25-0 wins again versus Woodenville in the WA HS basketball playoffs. McD 14 points. One upside to look forward to next fall after that disappoinment yesterday to the Boise State Donkeys. BTW we may want to look at 6'3 SG Ferron Flavors who hit 7 3's and looks good on tape and 6'7 Tony Miller SF out of Woodinville, who has interest from Wazzu, U dub, St. Mary's and a few WCC and Big Sky schools. He's scored over 2,000 points in his HS career. After yesterday, I'd like to see a recruit who can score and is athletic.
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Post by 91aztec on Feb 28, 2016 12:51:29 GMT -8
www.thenewstribune.com/sports/high-school/article62994337.htmlFederal Way 25-0 wins again versus Woodenville in the WA HS basketball playoffs. McD 14 points. One upside to look forward to next fall after that disappoinment yesterday to the Boise State Donkeys. BTW we may want to look at 6'3 SG Ferron Flavors who hit 7 3's and looks good on tape and 6'7 Tony Miller SF out of Woodinville, who has interest from Wazzu, U dub, St. Mary's and a few WCC and Big Sky schools. He's scored over 2,000 points in his HS career. After yesterday, I'd like to see a recruit who can score and is athletic. I'm going to watch him in the playoffs at the T-Dome, let me know if anyone else plans on going.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 29, 2016 16:14:46 GMT -8
www.thenewstribune.com/sports/high-school/article62994337.htmlFederal Way 25-0 wins again versus Woodenville in the WA HS basketball playoffs. McD 14 points. One upside to look forward to next fall after that disappoinment yesterday to the Boise State Donkeys. BTW we may want to look at 6'3 SG Ferron Flavors who hit 7 3's and looks good on tape and 6'7 Tony Miller SF out of Woodinville, who has interest from Wazzu, U dub, St. Mary's and a few WCC and Big Sky schools. He's scored over 2,000 points in his HS career. After yesterday, I'd like to see a recruit who can score and is athletic. That would not be Miller. He's more 6'5/6'6 & is a tweener - a stretch 4 who's not fast enough to guard a 3 at the next level, and probably not big enough to play the 4. One of those kids who's a very good HS player, but might struggle against taller/faster players. I could see him doing well at a EWU or Big Sky-type program.
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Post by standiego on Feb 29, 2016 20:22:19 GMT -8
MG-C is supposed to be a scorer - that can create his own shot off the dribble . A great need we have is we stand around way too much . Love to dribble and do not pass / move the ball quickly . Unless we get out and run , we are way too easy to guard . Not much movement from the team and not many quick passes . Watch St Mary's move and pass the ball . We rarely hit the guys on the wings on fast break opportunities . Our half court offense is not very good .
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Post by xohsxc on Mar 1, 2016 9:37:20 GMT -8
MG-C is supposed to be a scorer - that can create his own shot off the dribble . A great need we have is we stand around way too much . Love to dribble and do not pass / move the ball quickly . Unless we get out and run , we are way too easy to guard . Not much movement from the team and not many quick passes . Watch St Mary's move and pass the ball . We rarely hit the guys on the wings on fast break opportunities . Our half court offense is not very good . Great Observation!
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Post by pdraztec on Mar 1, 2016 10:10:59 GMT -8
Just watch Kansas and how they move the ball and how crisp their passes are......just like they did against us. We do over-dribble and do lazy passes.....ergo turnovers.
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Post by standiego on Mar 1, 2016 19:57:58 GMT -8
Will continue to say that we have the best wings in the MW . Would really help if our coaches who have recruited some incredible athletes found better ways to use them . What MW team has forwards that can match up with Winston , Zylan , Malik, Dakari ? The half court , slow down ball screen for the guards does not help them . Neutralizes our speed . Stand around . Rarely use quick outlet passes to the wings , instead we dribble then pass when challenged not before .
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 1, 2016 22:54:32 GMT -8
Will continue to say that we have the best wings in the MW . Would really help if our coaches who have recruited some incredible athletes found better ways to use them . What MW team has forwards that can match up with Winston , Zylan , Malik, Dakari ? The half court , slow down ball screen for the guards does not help them . Neutralizes our speed . Stand around . Rarely use quick outlet passes to the wings , instead we dribble then pass when challenged not before . We run a ball screen pro offense, not a motion offense, although we do run motion on occasion. It allows our talented wings the opportunity to break down an opponent, which IS using their talents. We look to push when the opportunity presents itself. Since conference our offensive production has been very good (105 pts per 100 possessions).
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Post by standiego on Mar 2, 2016 11:21:59 GMT -8
After watching every opponent in the MW at least 1 time . The only team that started out with as much talent as the Aztecs was UNLV - until they were hit with injuries and now they are .... . We should be able to beat most of the teams by at least double digits . Some teams do have a couple of guys that are very good offensive players but no one now can match our top 8 for 40 + minutes if we get our guys running and going to the basket . Are you saying we are getting the best quality production we can from our forwards Winston , Zylan , Malik , Dakari ? Are you saying our slow down half court offense is the best we can be .? Do you think we pass the ball as much as we should and as quickly as we could . Dribbling , sure seems as though we dribble way too much and are not looking to pass first . Doesn't a slow down style negate our athleticism and speed ?- most of the guys our coaches recruit - their choice . Do not think there is a team in MW that can stay with our guys if they are in motion , we moved the ball by passing instead of dribbling . Hit the wing on the outlet pass and went into attack mode if possible . We pass up the longer out let pass and set up the Ball Screen offense . Let me ask you - do you think this is as good as we can be on offense and our we maxing out the talent of our forwards ?
For next year we continue that style of players . J. McDaniels is an very athletic guy . MG-C very athletic that is high motor but can shoot off the dribble , Nolan very athletic stretch 4 / 5 . Max your set shooter .
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 2, 2016 12:29:23 GMT -8
After watching every opponent in the MW at least 1 time . The only team that started out with as much talent as the Aztecs was UNLV - until they were hit with injuries and now they are .... . We should be able to beat most of the teams by at least double digits . Some teams do have a couple of guys that are very good offensive players but no one now can match our top 8 for 40 + minutes if we get our guys running and going to the basket . Are you saying we are getting the best quality production we can from our forwards Winston , Zylan , Malik , Dakari ? Are you saying our slow down half court offense is the best we can be .? Do you think we pass the ball as much as we should and as quickly as we could . Dribbling , sure seems as though we dribble way too much and are not looking to pass first . Doesn't a slow down style negate our athleticism and speed ?- most of the guys our coaches recruit - their choice . Do not think there is a team in MW that can stay with our guys if they are in motion , we moved the ball by passing instead of dribbling . Hit the wing on the outlet pass and went into attack mode if possible . We pass up the longer out let pass and set up the Ball Screen offense . Let me ask you - do you think this is as good as we can be on offense and our we maxing out the talent of our forwards ? For next year we continue that style of players . J. McDaniels is an very athletic guy . MG-C very athletic that is high motor but can shoot off the dribble , Nolan very athletic stretch 4 / 5 . Max your set shooter . I have yet to find any team ever that is "as good as (they) can be offensively" - that's a stupid question. Everyone can improve something. ND is the most efficient offensive team in the nation yet they don't get to the line enough and they run an offense that is MORE deliberate than ours. The same with UVA, and they're as "athletic" as anyone. Again, we run a pro style O which is predicated on the offensive player breaking down the defender. We run plays very similar to Utah and others - in fact we run their exact plays at times, which is why they're called "Utah", etc. Could we make better or quicker passes, sure. Who couldn't? But assists aren't a key stat with Fisher teams. Our O efficiency during conference play is 1.051 PPP which would rank us about 140th nationally had we played like this all year, despite being a young team which has struggled finishing. Our issues are more about having guys make the right decisions (right guys taking the right shots) and avoiding TOs, which tends to happen most when? I'll answer - when we are playing too fast and out of control. When did JH and Shep make most of their TOs Saturday? Again, when pushing the ball too much and getting out of control. The goal is to value the ball and be efficient. You don't have to run a motion O or swing the ball 4-5 times for that to happen. Here is another quiz for you - in which conference games this year did we have our 2 highest tempos? Answer - BSU and FSU, both losses. Question #2 - which 2 games did we turn the ball over at our highest rate? (I shouldn't have to answer that) We have great talent, and we are 15-2, including setting a conference road record. We could very easily be 17-0, as 1 loss was a fluke. If that disappoints you I think you might want to reassess your expectations. We HAVE been dominating.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 4, 2016 11:07:10 GMT -8
Federal Way & Jalen McDaniels take on Gonzaga Prep tonight at 9:00 PM.
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Post by standiego on Mar 4, 2016 13:11:41 GMT -8
great , then he has time to get on a plane and visit SDSU for the UNLV game..
Coug are you honestly saying you think our offense runs smoothly and you are satisfied with it ?. Defense yes but not a smooth offense.The coaches recruit very athletic guys , let them open up the game . Our best offense was when we were running and attacking the basket in the San Jose game .If my question was stupid then your answer was even worse or you buy into everything and feel there is no need to improve the offense.
The most important stat on offense is scoring the basketball and often , not just dribbling the basketball or value the basketball .
Yes we are beating most MW teams but most experts realize the MW is a very poor conference - 1 bid for MM. We should be beating most opponents by at least 10 points every game.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 4, 2016 13:20:42 GMT -8
BTW, there is supposed to be a bumper crop of players in the Seattle area next year so Fisher & Co. might want to continue to look north!
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 4, 2016 16:43:31 GMT -8
great , then he has time to get on a plane and visit SDSU for the UNLV game.. Coug are you honestly saying you think our offense runs smoothly and you are satisfied with it ?. Defense yes but not a smooth offense.The coaches recruit very athletic guys , let them open up the game . Our best offense was when we were running and attacking the basket in the San Jose game .If my question was stupid then your answer was even worse or you buy into everything and feel there is no need to improve the offense. The most important stat on offense is scoring the basketball and often , not just dribbling the basketball or value the basketball . Yes we are beating most MW teams but most experts realize the MW is a very poor conference - 1 bid for MM. We should be beating most opponents by at least 10 points every game. Whoever said our O doesn't need to improve? You can do that by being more efficient at running your current offense and not changing the O or changing the pace of play. Cut down on TO% by 2-4%, improve FT% by 2-3%, and do a better job of finishing and we'd be a top 50 O over the past 20 games. I showed you stats which show that in the games we played the fastest we LOST - if you want to ignore those knock yourself out. No one has said we can't nor don't need to improve offensively. Where we differ is HOW! And define "very poor"! Are you saying only 7-8 are decent and every other conference is "very poor"? The MW isn't a top 7-8 conference, but it's just a notch below. Better than most. What we've done is an accomplishment. PS. Yes, asking if our offense is as good as it can be, or anything related to being at or near perfect IS a stupid question. Everyone knows EVERY team can improve both offensively and defensively. If you don't you're pretty clueless.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Mar 4, 2016 17:40:25 GMT -8
great , then he has time to get on a plane and visit SDSU for the UNLV game.. Coug are you honestly saying you think our offense runs smoothly and you are satisfied with it ?. Defense yes but not a smooth offense.The coaches recruit very athletic guys , let them open up the game . Our best offense was when we were running and attacking the basket in the San Jose game .If my question was stupid then your answer was even worse or you buy into everything and feel there is no need to improve the offense. The most important stat on offense is scoring the basketball and often , not just dribbling the basketball or value the basketball . Yes we are beating most MW teams but most experts realize the MW is a very poor conference - 1 bid for MM. We should be beating most opponents by at least 10 points every game. Whoever said our O doesn't need to improve? You can do that by being more efficient at running your current offense and not changing the O or changing the pace of play. Cut down on TO% by 2-4%, improve FT% by 2-3%, and do a better job of finishing and we'd be a top 50 O over the past 20 games. I showed you stats which show that in the games we played the fastest we LOST - if you want to ignore those knock yourself out. No one has said we can't nor don't need to improve offensively. Where we differ is HOW! And define "very poor"! Are you saying only 7-8 are decent and every other conference is "very poor"? The MW isn't a top 7-8 conference, but it's just a notch below. Better than most. What we've done is an accomplishment. PS. Yes, asking if our offense is as good as it can be, or anything related to being at or near perfect IS a stupid question. Everyone knows EVERY team can improve both offensively and defensively. If you don't you're pretty clueless. Yep, 90% of what we run is the same as what we ran just a few years ago when we had a much better offensive efficiency.
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Post by standiego on Mar 4, 2016 19:25:04 GMT -8
The MW was rated 12 th best MBB conference . MW has not had a team in the top 25 - is it all year ? Wins over top 25 teams did UNLV have a couple over Ducks and IU . BSU beat the Ducks . SDSU has beaten CAL . So 4 quality wins in over 125 OOC games.Who have the other teams in the MW beaten ? Do we want to talk about Bad Losses ? Many see MW as 1 bid conference . So how would you classify the majority of teams in the MW ?
Listen to most national TV announcers . Comments IF the Aztecs had even an average offense they would easily be a top 25 team or higher . Are we even near the top of the MW in offense ? We should be beating the vast majority of MW teams by at least double digits .
On a 1-10 scale how would you rate the Aztecs offense , nationally ? IMO we have the talent to be a good offensive team . Coaches recruit very athletic players , applaud that , now use their athletic ability even more. You love to extrapolate ideas . What is wrong with trying to push the ball up the court to the guys . Guys moving to get open . A few quick passes . Sharing the basketball. That sure beats having guys stand around , neutralizing our advantage and making us easier to defend . Dribbling does Not beat a zone and we face a zone by almost all teams we face .
I have said the ball should go inside at least once , if not twice , that is NOT changing the offense talk about not knowing what is supposed to happen and being stupid . Last year it was get the ball inside to JJ , then running the offense from the inside . This year believe Fisher had said try to get it to Winston. Our best offensive team . Ball inside to Leonard, White or Malcolm .
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Post by fisherville on Mar 4, 2016 22:00:05 GMT -8
The offense undoubtedly needs to improve and it started out awful, it has improved though. We started out I believe conference play around 270s or so in adjusted offensive efficiency and are now around 200, still awful but clear improvement.
I do think our sets are too predictable and lack creativity, one huge reason however why this team is bad on offensive is we have young players that are very turnover prone. Zylan and Hemsley have really high turnover rates (Chol leads the team and they need to stop giving him the ball 18 feet away). With Chol gone next year, and another year for Kell/Hemsley to work on there games turnovers should be a much smaller issue, next years team will have a lot of offensive talent assuming they all comeback. Obviously the really slow start for Pope was a huge factor, not having a healthy shrigley for a year was a bit of a factor as well. And I love Winston, he is the teams best passer, but he has a 45.5 true shooting %, he will be missed a lot for his leadership and defense, his offense I do think is a minus even with the value he brings in passing.
Also the MWC is 10th best conference per kenpom, a much better metric than RPI (I am assuming you are using RPI when saying MWC is rated 12th)
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 4, 2016 22:46:37 GMT -8
The offense undoubtedly needs to improve and it started out awful, it has improved though. We started out I believe conference play around 270s or so in adjusted offensive efficiency and are now around 200, still awful but clear improvement. I do think our sets are too predictable and lack creativity, one huge reason however why this team is bad on offensive is we have young players that are very turnover prone. Zylan and Hemsley have really high turnover rates (Chol leads the team and they need to stop giving him the ball 18 feet away). With Chol gone next year, and another year for Kell/Hemsley to work on there games turnovers should be a much smaller issue, next years team will have a lot of offensive talent assuming they all comeback. Obviously the really slow start for Pope was a huge factor, not having a healthy shrigley for a year was a bit of a factor as well. And I love Winston, he is the teams best passer, but he has a 45.5 true shooting %, he will be missed a lot for his leadership and defense, his offense I do think is a minus even with the value he brings in passing. Also the MWC is 10th best conference per kenpom, a much better metric than RPI (I am assuming you are using RPI when saying MWC is rated 12th) Yep, TOs have killed us, as well as shot selection among some players. Not surprising given the youth of this team. Like you said, we were bad early but since conference play started we've been above average - top 40-45%, and with Kell, Hemsley, Pope and Shrigs we are now a better than average perimeter team. Our issues come when we force things, and our two worst performances are when we tried to play more up tempo and turned the ball over a ton. Our O is definitely much improved. Make 5 of 7 FTs last Saturday and our O is good enough to be 17-1 in a pretty decent conference, top to bottom.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 4, 2016 23:34:27 GMT -8
Federal Way H.S. and Jalen win. Final is 46-44!
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Post by standiego on Mar 4, 2016 23:35:40 GMT -8
MW similar to other lower level conferences is only expected to get 1 MM bid . We may have moved up from 12 th to 10 best conference - is that something to be proud of ? We are the best team in an average to decent conference , that has not had a top 25 team all year . MW plays competitive games in a conference that can be very difficult to travel to and play in ( especially with altitude ). Offense , what can you say when we score 43 against Little Rock , USD 48, Grand Canyon 45 . In MW conference games Lost to Fresno only score 57 . At BSU score 56 but win . Have scored in the 60's in at least 4 other games. Lost to BSU at home , we should have beaten them by at least double digits as they did not have their best player . Should have put them away early - but as we have done numerous times let teams hang in there . How would you rate our offense on 1 to 5 or 1 to 10 scale ? compared to other teams nationally .It is not smooth . Count how many times a player along the perimeter dribbles , when a quick pass has much better chance to beat a zone . We are making numerous errors in our slow down ball screen offense . We tried fast pace attack against San Jose that was our most impressive offense . The slower style negates our speed and athleticism , and makes us so much easier to defend as we stand around .
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