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Post by gocoaztec on Oct 4, 2015 4:59:24 GMT -8
Ignorant thread? If you enjoyed watching this game, then it's obvious that you are not looking around at the fans in the stadium... No fans, no $$$$....u will not entice fans to come to the stadium to watch 85% run plays...might as well go to the SDSU soccer game where they run all game... Let them continue just to run and attendance dwindle...if attendance dwindles, the program will be lost...simple as that I rather lose 42-35 than to win 21-7 the way we won today...Confirmation.
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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 4, 2015 6:17:28 GMT -8
Ignorant thread? If you enjoyed watching this game, then it's obvious that you are not looking around at the fans in the stadium... No fans, no $$$$....u will not entice fans to come to the stadium to watch 85% run plays...might as well go to the SDSU soccer game where they run all game... Let them continue just to run and attendance dwindle...if attendance dwindles, the program will be lost...simple as that I rather lose 42-35 than to win 21-7 the way we won today... Sometimes fans aren't very bright. You go with your personnel and match-ups. You are advocating doing something our team cannot do against one of the worst rushing defenses in the nation. That is simply asinine The rather lose and look better doing it says all we need to know about how ignorant your opinion truly is.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 4, 2015 6:19:19 GMT -8
Well, the original point is bolstered by the fact that half the crowd left at halftime...
We won over no new fans, despite the decent turnout for Family Night. Those people won't be back. Unfortunately.
We need them to show up in the future, but the boring, horribly played first half offensively turned them off.
It isn't enough to just win. Not anymore. We have to sell the program to people who don't really care about it. We need a certain amount of buy-in from the San Diego football fans who do not currently follow the Aztecs to keep this program alive. We didn't do a good job in that regard last night.
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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 4, 2015 6:23:43 GMT -8
Well, the original point is bolstered by the fact that half the crowd left at halftime... We won over no new fans, despite the decent turnout for Family Night. Those people won't be back. Unfortunately. We need them to show up in the future, but the boring, horribly played first half offensively turned them off. It isn't enough to just win. Not anymore. We have to sell the program to people who don't really care about it. We need a certain amount of buy-in from the San Diego football fans who do not currently follow the Aztecs to keep this program alive. We didn't do a good job in that regard last night. We won, right? That's the fans problem for rejecting a winner. So you also advocate running plays we lack the personnel to against one of the worst rushing defenses in the nation for style points rather than use our strengths to pound their weakness?
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 4, 2015 6:30:24 GMT -8
Administrators Now you now why fans and alumni are not showing up to the games? Terrible way to entertain the fans...for the fans to come, entertainment is a requirement of the offense by throwing the ball...it's part of football If you don't trust the quarterback, take Him out... But I say that Horton needs to go...terrible OC we have So, reference the first drive per the OP, it worked and was exciting, and we scored. That isn't entertaining? Some fans don't get it. There are things to complain about but the opening drive? Our fans seemed pretty excited too. Perhaps I missed something?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 4, 2015 6:30:40 GMT -8
Well, the original point is bolstered by the fact that half the crowd left at halftime... We won over no new fans, despite the decent turnout for Family Night. Those people won't be back. Unfortunately. We need them to show up in the future, but the boring, horribly played first half offensively turned them off. It isn't enough to just win. Not anymore. We have to sell the program to people who don't really care about it. We need a certain amount of buy-in from the San Diego football fans who do not currently follow the Aztecs to keep this program alive. We didn't do a good job in that regard last night. We won, right? That's the fans problem for rejecting a winner. So you also advocate running plays we lack the personnel to against one of the worst rushing defenses in the nation for style points rather than use our strengths to pound their weakness? No, I advocate getting coaches who can get players who can run basic passing plays without turning over the ball. This program cannot survive the 2020's with crowds like we've been getting, and this kind of football doesn't attract bigger crowds. I'm advocating for the survival of the program.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 4, 2015 6:31:44 GMT -8
Ignorant thread? If you enjoyed watching this game, then it's obvious that you are not looking around at the fans in the stadium... No fans, no $$$$....u will not entice fans to come to the stadium to watch 85% run plays...might as well go to the SDSU soccer game where they run all game... Let them continue just to run and attendance dwindle...if attendance dwindles, the program will be lost...simple as that I rather lose 42-35 than to win 21-7 the way we won today... wow.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 4, 2015 6:33:26 GMT -8
Administrators Now you now why fans and alumni are not showing up to the games? Terrible way to entertain the fans...for the fans to come, entertainment is a requirement of the offense by throwing the ball...it's part of football If you don't trust the quarterback, take Him out... But I say that Horton needs to go...terrible OC we have So, reference the first drive per the OP, it worked and was exciting, and we scored. That isn't entertaining? Some fans don't get it. There are things to complain about but the opening drive? Our fans seemed pretty excited too. Perhaps I missed something? Yeah, you did. Fresno adjusted, and we only got into the red zone one time last night. We were tied with a horrible Fresno team at halftime. It wasn't working. The opening drive was great - see my post at the time on the game thread. But Fresno adjusted - and they're a horrible team. If they can adjust, better teams can prepare for what we do. We won't be able to pull a drive like that off against even mediocre teams. After that drive it was offensive futility the rest of the way in the first half.
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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 4, 2015 6:37:34 GMT -8
We won, right? That's the fans problem for rejecting a winner. So you also advocate running plays we lack the personnel to against one of the worst rushing defenses in the nation for style points rather than use our strengths to pound their weakness? No, I advocate getting coaches who can get players who can run basic passing plays without turning over the ball. This program cannot survive the 2020's with crowds like we've been getting, and this kind of football doesn't attract bigger crowds. I'm advocating for the survival of the program. We had zero rushing game-related turnovers. We already canned a coach who brought fan excitement at first due to his exciting offense, but couldn't win. What is this Goundhog Day starring Tom Craft?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 4, 2015 6:39:44 GMT -8
No, I advocate getting coaches who can get players who can run basic passing plays without turning over the ball. This program cannot survive the 2020's with crowds like we've been getting, and this kind of football doesn't attract bigger crowds. I'm advocating for the survival of the program. We had zero rushing game-related turnovers So what? We were a terrible team offensively last night outside of that first drive and the two long TD passes. All our yardage was gained on our side of the field into their 40 or so. If we play like that against San Jose State we're gonna get killed.
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Post by sdsustoner on Oct 4, 2015 6:40:48 GMT -8
We had zero rushing game-related turnovers So what? We were a terrible team offensively last night outside of that first drive and the two long TD passes. All our yardage was gained on our side of the field into their 40 or so. If we play like that against San Jose State we're gonna get killed. The sole reason they were open on those TD passes is the rushing game And so what? You just claimed the rushing attacked causes TOs and when I point it they didn't, now it doesn't matter?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 4, 2015 6:44:01 GMT -8
So what? We were a terrible team offensively last night outside of that first drive and the two long TD passes. All our yardage was gained on our side of the field into their 40 or so. If we play like that against San Jose State we're gonna get killed. The sole reason they were open on those TD passes is the rushing game And so what? You just claimed the rushing attacked causes TOs and when I point it they didn't, now it doesn't matter? I never said that the rushing game caused turnovers. What are you talking about? We PUNTED the ball several times, we couldn't sustain drives, but I never said we turned the ball over otherwise. (Ah, you misread what I posted - I said we need to get players who can run basic PASSING plays without turning the ball over.)
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 4, 2015 6:50:23 GMT -8
Well, the original point is bolstered by the fact that half the crowd left at halftime... We won over no new fans, despite the decent turnout for Family Night. Those people won't be back. Unfortunately. We need them to show up in the future, but the boring, horribly played first half offensively turned them off. It isn't enough to just win. Not anymore. We have to sell the program to people who don't really care about it. We need a certain amount of buy-in from the San Diego football fans who do not currently follow the Aztecs to keep this program alive. We didn't do a good job in that regard last night. So you speak for "new fans?" Winning cures. Fans can get behind grinding wins. We need a better facility. Certainly we need a better play caller and it is clear Smith seems affected by his past injury and the mediocre pass protection. Our OL has been a major part of the problem but they're getting better. Our D is solid and was exciting to watch last night. If your agree with gigu that big passing losses are better than grinding wins, I can't help you and find that absurd. The problem with these complainers is that they are absolutists and completely polarizing, don't know how to support a program. These fans force people looking to make the program better to take sides by failing to engage. It's no different than the gun control and abortion arguments. There is middle ground but because of loud, obsessive absolutists, no one can debate in that space. Thankfully, there are other boards, such as the fight board, that offers reasoned discussions rather than idiotic absolutism. Places where they can be happy with grinding wins that show the character of the players, debate shortcomings, and look for ways to improve. Here, you get ridiculous statements like those of the OP and folks that actually agree... It's like moving the goal posts in debate, first you want wins, then they say we didn't win right, ignite the many positives and come up with ridiculous counters, like red herring statements like "half the crowd left at halftime" which is patently false but offers a strawman to build upon. Ugh. In court, we call that being argumentative, and is disallowed because it doesn't further the debate, it detects and holds it back.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 4, 2015 6:53:26 GMT -8
So, reference the first drive per the OP, it worked and was exciting, and we scored. That isn't entertaining? Some fans don't get it. There are things to complain about but the opening drive? Our fans seemed pretty excited too. Perhaps I missed something? Yeah, you did. Fresno adjusted, and we only got into the red zone one time last night. We were tied with a horrible Fresno team at halftime. It wasn't working. The opening drive was great - see my post at the time on the game thread. But Fresno adjusted - and they're a horrible team. If they can adjust, better teams can prepare for what we do. We won't be able to pull a drive like that off against even mediocre teams. After that drive it was offensive futility the rest of the way in the first half. We scored three offensive touchdowns, two by passing, courtesy of the running game. We held Fresno to their lowest yard total in their recent history. Lol your argument.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 4, 2015 6:58:13 GMT -8
Well, the original point is bolstered by the fact that half the crowd left at halftime... We won over no new fans, despite the decent turnout for Family Night. Those people won't be back. Unfortunately. We need them to show up in the future, but the boring, horribly played first half offensively turned them off. It isn't enough to just win. Not anymore. We have to sell the program to people who don't really care about it. We need a certain amount of buy-in from the San Diego football fans who do not currently follow the Aztecs to keep this program alive. We didn't do a good job in that regard last night. So you speak for "new fans?" Winning cures. Fans can get behind grinding wins. We need a better facility. Certainly we need a better play caller and it is clear Smith seems affected by his past injury and the mediocre pass protection. Our OL has been a major part of the problem but they're getting better. Our D is solid and was exciting to watch last night. Then why did most of the people at the game for Family Night leave at halftime? They were bored. The average football fan HATES grinding wins where nothing much happens offensively. Fans who really know the game can appreciate them, but most fans don't know the game well enough to find that kind of game even remotely entertaining. How about EXCITING WINS being the priority and the goal? THAT is what this program needs, not boring, grind-em-out wins against bad teams. I've got news for you, the fight board is loaded with Fire Rocky posts and criticism of how the team is playing (not not the constructive kind, either). People are pissed that the program has regressed so much. Dude, we've had five years of wins. Most of them have been more entertaining than this one, and attendance is still in the toilet. If not for Family Night last night we would have seen another crowd around 20k or 22k. We need more than wins now. A lot more. The bar was raised, but we can't clear that height anymore. You're lowering the bar in order to, what? Say that we're still on the right track? We're not. We're going backwards and we have been ever since the second half of the 2012 Poinsettia Bowl. You know that.
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Post by zollner on Oct 4, 2015 7:38:16 GMT -8
My questions is this. You have family night, yet the game starts at 7:30? My grandson was asleep in his Dad's lap by half time. I realize that TV determines starting times, but that might be the reason people made it to the exits at half time.
I'm really happy we won, but it was boring football on the offensive side of the football. It seems the OC wants to resurrect Woody Hayes and "3 yards and a cloud of dust" and "only 3 things can happen when you throw the ball and two are bad." Hey OC might want to mix in a misdirection play once in awhile, you know a reverse, a naked keeper, etc just to give the defense something to think about and something to wake up the fans.
Although Fresno was down to their 4th string QB I thought Rocky's defense was solid and had a good game plan. Congratulations to the players and coaches on their first conference win and ahead of the pack. I hope DJ's injury is not too severe and he can play next week. If not the OC will need to be more creative in his play calling. The offense will only go as far as the O-line will carry them.
Good Luck Aztecs.
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Post by perch on Oct 4, 2015 7:42:38 GMT -8
All I know is that a lot of the people around me left at halftime. The family that sits in back of me said their 2 sons refuse to come to the games since they are so bad. And a nearby friend brought a book to read during the game as it was so boring. Can you imagine bring a book to read during a football game?
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Post by fanhood on Oct 4, 2015 8:26:12 GMT -8
Ignorant thread? If you enjoyed watching this game, then it's obvious that you are not looking around at the fans in the stadium... No fans, no $$$$....u will not entice fans to come to the stadium to watch 85% run plays...might as well go to the SDSU soccer game where they run all game... Let them continue just to run and attendance dwindle...if attendance dwindles, the program will be lost...simple as that I rather lose 42-35 than to win 21-7 the way we won today...[/b] Wow, you sir have lost your mind. Running the ball successfully is just as exciting as throwing fly routes all game long.
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Oct 4, 2015 10:04:08 GMT -8
Five star post! Well done L.E.G. Well, the original point is bolstered by the fact that half the crowd left at halftime... We won over no new fans, despite the decent turnout for Family Night. Those people won't be back. Unfortunately. We need them to show up in the future, but the boring, horribly played first half offensively turned them off. It isn't enough to just win. Not anymore. We have to sell the program to people who don't really care about it. We need a certain amount of buy-in from the San Diego football fans who do not currently follow the Aztecs to keep this program alive. We didn't do a good job in that regard last night. So you speak for "new fans?" Winning cures. Fans can get behind grinding wins. We need a better facility. Certainly we need a better play caller and it is clear Smith seems affected by his past injury and the mediocre pass protection. Our OL has been a major part of the problem but they're getting better. Our D is solid and was exciting to watch last night. If your agree with gigu that big passing losses are better than grinding wins, I can't help you and find that absurd. The problem with these complainers is that they are absolutists and completely polarizing, don't know how to support a program. These fans force people looking to make the program better to take sides by failing to engage. It's no different than the gun control and abortion arguments. There is middle ground but because of loud, obsessive absolutists, no one can debate in that space. Thankfully, there are other boards, such as the fight board, that offers reasoned discussions rather than idiotic absolutism. Places where they can be happy with grinding wins that show the character of the players, debate shortcomings, and look for ways to improve. Here, you get ridiculous statements like those of the OP and folks that actually agree... It's like moving the goal posts in debate, first you want wins, then they say we didn't win right, ignite the many positives and come up with ridiculous counters, like red herring statements like "half the crowd left at halftime" which is patently false but offers a strawman to build upon. Ugh. In court, we call that being argumentative, and is disallowed because it doesn't further the debate, it detects and holds it back.
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Post by napo on Oct 4, 2015 10:13:03 GMT -8
The amount of WTF in this thread is astounding. Last week Fresno gave up 300+ yards rushing, which is our strength on offense, and some of you think we should have passed more?
You establish the run (our strength) to open up the passing game (our offensive weakness)...it's not rocket science.
And to say we didn't win in exciting fashion? I'm sorry did we win? Do the Spurs care if they win with jump shots or dunks? Oh basketball is a different sport you say...well if you are arguing how a team wins then we are talking about sports in general.
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