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Post by rebar619 on Sept 21, 2015 14:33:08 GMT -8
Wish we had a way of coming up with more $$$$. The short answer is hitting up alumni to contribute. Then again, a vision and expectation for the program needs to be communicated to motivate donors that otherwise would not get involved.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 21, 2015 14:36:59 GMT -8
$800K for that awful just awful product he puts on the field. Anything less than firing him at season's end would be criminal. $800K is why we have an awful product. That is a very low end HC salary. The budget for our next coach needs to be $1M+ Mike Norvell makes more than at as an OC. Actually, there are many FBS head coaches who make far less than 800K. Of course, all coaches from P5 schools, and a number from G5 schools, do make more than Rocky does. I'm not sure that paying only 800K means that we cannot find a good replacement for Rocky Long. Yes, if we are talking about an established man who wants to get back into college coaching, we would probably have to pay more. That was the case with San Jose State when they hired Dick Tomey. But perhaps someone such as Babers, even though he aspires to coach in the Big-10 or Pac-12, might decide that doubling his salary for a few years at SDSU would be a good move. Perhaps he thinks he could beat Arizona and/or Arizona State, giving him a leg up on replacing one of the Pac-12 coaches. He could always say, "Hey, those Aztecs almost never beat P5 schools, but I managed to do it!" AzWm
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Post by myownwords on Sept 21, 2015 18:42:20 GMT -8
Wish we had a way of coming up with more $$$$. The short answer is hitting up alumni to contribute. Then again, a vision and expectation for the program needs to be communicated to motivate donors that otherwise would not get involved. Therein lies the rub, yes? May not get investment dollars, without a President and AD who show leadership, energy and ambition regarding the football program. It truly is hard to find any significant quotes from these two pretenders promoting football, other than Sterk's now laughable "Rise" belch in March.
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Post by obboy13 on Sept 21, 2015 18:57:15 GMT -8
The short answer is hitting up alumni to contribute. Then again, a vision and expectation for the program needs to be communicated to motivate donors that otherwise would not get involved. Therein lies the rub, yes? May not get investment dollars, without a President and AD who show leadership, energy and ambition regarding the football program. It truly is hard to find any significant quotes from these two pretenders promoting football, other than Sterk's now laughable "Rise" belch in March. You mean Sterk's top 25 vision didn't resonate with you? Has he ever been associated with a perennial top 25 football team, at least one he didn't inherit and then run into the ground? The answer is no unless he had season tickets at SC. Where do we find these guys?
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Post by myownwords on Sept 21, 2015 19:09:31 GMT -8
Therein lies the rub, yes? May not get investment dollars, without a President and AD who show leadership, energy and ambition regarding the football program. It truly is hard to find any significant quotes from these two pretenders promoting football, other than Sterk's now laughable "Rise" belch in March. You mean Sterk's top 25 vision didn't resonate with you? Has he ever been associated with a perennial top 25 football team, at least one he didn't inherit and then run into the ground? The answer is no unless he had season tickets at SC. Where do we find these guys? We strive to dive.
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Post by Simsonic on Sept 21, 2015 19:22:39 GMT -8
1st Choice: Dino Babers
2nd Choice: Brady Hoke
3rd Choice: Marshall Faulk (I jest)
Real 3rd Choice: Jim Tressel (Next Year) - This would be a hire similar to Steve Fisher
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Sept 21, 2015 19:41:16 GMT -8
Wish we had a way of coming up with more $$$$. The short answer is hitting up alumni to contribute. Then again, a vision and expectation for the program needs to be communicated to motivate donors that otherwise would not get involved. Find 500 fed-up alums to throw in two grand apiece and you'd sweeten the pot enough to bring in an A-list guy. I'll put my checkbook where my mouth is. But yes, first must come the communication of the vision.
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Post by 94sdsu on Sept 21, 2015 19:53:34 GMT -8
Orgeron would probably be OK here, but he's not what we need. We need to pick an up-and-coming Offensive mastermind and hopefully strike it rich with him (like Texas Tech did with Leach). I don't care if he's here only 2 - 3 years, we need to win NOW. Aztecfred asked "Does it matter any more?" I'm thinking it doesn't as this past weekend's loss sealed our fate and we're not getting the Big12 invite. However, the only chance we have is winning BIG. Orgeron would build the program and win eventually. Some young hotshot MIGHT win big now, like Urban Meyers did at Utah or McElwain did at CSU or ...
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Post by tttrojan4life on Sept 21, 2015 20:18:49 GMT -8
1st Choice: Dino Babers 2nd Choice: Brady Hoke 3rd Choice: Marshall Faulk (I jest) Real 3rd Choice: Jim Tressel (Next Year) - This would be a hire similar to Steve Fisher Are you serious about #2?
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Post by Sdsu4life on Sept 21, 2015 20:24:13 GMT -8
1st Choice: Dino Babers 2nd Choice: Brady Hoke 3rd Choice: Marshall Faulk (I jest) Real 3rd Choice: Jim Tressel (Next Year) - This would be a hire similar to Steve Fisher Are you serious about #2? If the guy wants to come back, there is no question.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 20:35:28 GMT -8
The short answer is hitting up alumni to contribute. Then again, a vision and expectation for the program needs to be communicated to motivate donors that otherwise would not get involved. Find 500 fed-up alums to throw in two grand apiece and you'd sweeten the pot enough to bring in an A-list guy. I'll put my checkbook where my mouth is. But yes, first must come the communication of the vision. I'd contribute at least that amount but absolutely not for Hoke.... he did little more than RL has done which most everyone here is not satisfied with. I'd rather keep RL on board than have Hoke back. Sorry, but that's my opinion. (Phil, I know you didn't say a word about Hoke. I am just responding to others who did.)
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Post by 94sdsu on Sept 21, 2015 20:45:01 GMT -8
Hoke's effort at SDSU is nothing like Rocky's. He did a great job taking the program forward whereas Rocky as put us in neutral or ever reverse. If not for the ref's being absolutely blind and not calling the obvious block in the back, Hoke would have beaten a top 20 Mizzu team on the road and have reached 10 wins in his second year with the program. Rocky hasn't even gotten close to what Hoke did.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 21, 2015 20:47:49 GMT -8
Too old now. That ship has sailed. We need a coach in his mid 40's to mid 50's if we replace Rocky. Did you say that when Fish was hired? Fish was some years younger than Bowden is now. Ideally, we would hire someone not older than early 50s, but there could be exceptions. I can't see hiring anyone past 60; We want a coach who will stay several years. A slightly younger man would be more likely to stay about 5 years. If those were 5 good years, yeah, that would be okay. AzWm
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Post by Sdsu4life on Sept 21, 2015 20:58:51 GMT -8
Find 500 fed-up alums to throw in two grand apiece and you'd sweeten the pot enough to bring in an A-list guy. I'll put my checkbook where my mouth is. But yes, first must come the communication of the vision. I'd contribute at least that amount but absolutely not for Hoke.... he did little more than RL has done which most everyone here is not satisfied with. I'd rather keep RL on board than have Hoke back. Sorry, but that's my opinion. (Phil, I know you didn't say a word about Hoke. I am just responding to others who did.) WOW. That has got to be one of the dumbest "opinions" I have ever heard on here. You honestly have some serious issues if you think that. Hoke did absolute wonders for this team. Rocky took that and then set us back to the Chuck long years. I understand people have opinions and they vary, but you saying Hoke didn't do much more than Rocky is not an opinion when it is that far off the mark. So, don't use the "well that is just my opinion" statement to try to validate what you said. I can say "I think the world is flat, and that is my opinion" So, it must not be wrong since I signed it with a "That is my opinion". LOL, It is fact that Hoke did much more than Rocky. It is not up for discussion. You stating what you said means either you know very little about football, or you are still butt hurt that Hoke left, so the only way you can sleep at night to write off any good that he has done for our school. Plenty of people have that disease, so I am pretty sure that is it, because I can't see someone being so stupid to think that Hoke just a little more than Rocky. Good one lol
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Post by fisherville on Sept 21, 2015 21:20:33 GMT -8
Find 500 fed-up alums to throw in two grand apiece and you'd sweeten the pot enough to bring in an A-list guy. I'll put my checkbook where my mouth is. But yes, first must come the communication of the vision. I'd contribute at least that amount but absolutely not for Hoke.... he did little more than RL has done which most everyone here is not satisfied with. I'd rather keep RL on board than have Hoke back. Sorry, but that's my opinion. (Phil, I know you didn't say a word about Hoke. I am just responding to others who did.) He did a lot more than long, you know the program actually improved under him instead of regressing. This is Rocky's 5th year, and the only one that compares to Hoke's last year by sagarin is his second year or the 4th year since Hoke was hired, so basically he could win with Hoke's seniors but not his own.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 21, 2015 22:15:18 GMT -8
1st Choice: Dino Babers 2nd Choice: Brady Hoke 3rd Choice: Marshall Faulk (I jest) Real 3rd Choice: Jim Tressel (Next Year) - This would be a hire similar to Steve Fisher Tressel has a very nasty black mark on his record. Why do you think he was fired? Not because the Buckeyes were losing. AzWm
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Post by Simsonic on Sept 21, 2015 22:43:40 GMT -8
1st Choice: Dino Babers 2nd Choice: Brady Hoke 3rd Choice: Marshall Faulk (I jest) Real 3rd Choice: Jim Tressel (Next Year) - This would be a hire similar to Steve Fisher Tressel has a very nasty black mark on his record. Why do you think he was fired? Not because the Buckeyes were losing. AzWm True, but he made a bad choice. I think he would have learned from it. The guy can coach and he would bring in a lot of talent with him. Personally, I think it's worth the risk.
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Post by ab on Sept 22, 2015 8:01:48 GMT -8
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Post by gamer2101 on Sept 22, 2015 8:55:34 GMT -8
How about fat list? I would take Hoke back in a heartbeat! No Sent from my SCH-I545 using proboards
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Post by AzTex on Sept 22, 2015 8:56:27 GMT -8
I'd contribute at least that amount but absolutely not for Hoke.... he did little more than RL has done which most everyone here is not satisfied with. I'd rather keep RL on board than have Hoke back. Sorry, but that's my opinion. (Phil, I know you didn't say a word about Hoke. I am just responding to others who did.) WOW. That has got to be one of the dumbest "opinions" I have ever heard on here. You honestly have some serious issues if you think that. Hoke did absolute wonders for this team. Rocky took that and then set us back to the Chuck long years. I understand people have opinions and they vary, but you saying Hoke didn't do much more than Rocky is not an opinion when it is that far off the mark. So, don't use the "well that is just my opinion" statement to try to validate what you said. I can say "I think the world is flat, and that is my opinion" So, it must not be wrong since I signed it with a "That is my opinion". LOL, It is fact that Hoke did much more than Rocky. It is not up for discussion. You stating what you said means either you know very little about football, or you are still butt hurt that Hoke left, so the only way you can sleep at night to write off any good that he has done for our school. Plenty of people have that disease, so I am pretty sure that is it, because I can't see someone being so stupid to think that Hoke just a little more than Rocky. Good one lol Your sig says "You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts." I think you are letting your emotions warp your view of the facts. Looking at facts based on each coach's winning percentage there is no way that Rocky has taken us back to the Chuck Long years. Rocky has the 3rd best winning percentage of any coach in Aztec football history with a .615 as of the beginning of this season. Chuck Long's record is .250, second worst ever. So, we are nowhere close to the Chuck Long years. Again, just looking at winning record, you have to compare Rocky's .615 to Hoke's sat .520. Third best verses ninth best. I'll grant that Hoke's improvement over his predecessor, was more impressive. But, considering he was replacing the second worst winning coach, that may not be saying a lot. It's hard to advocate getting rid of the coach with the 3rd best winning percentage in Aztec history. There's a large chance the next coach won't be any better, or even as good. But, I'm coming around to the position that a change may be due if only to re-energize the fan base. Sometimes a change, any change, creates excitement. Maybe Rocky will retire "for the good of the program" like he did in New Mexico.
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