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Post by Lloyd on Aug 1, 2015 11:07:55 GMT -8
Might take 6 months but doubt he'll be full speed when he gets back. If a medical redshirt 6th year is a possibility, then that would be great. But if he can be playing in 6 months, (by early February), we would still have 9 conference games left, and even at less than full speed it would be great to have him back.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Aug 2, 2015 8:27:28 GMT -8
Wasn't Dremic given a medical redshirt to play a sixth year...(even after playing 5-6 games last year) By rule, if he was given a sixth year of eligibility for a medical condition, his first red shirt must also have been a medical red shirt, not one for development. With that, I don't know what his first red shirt was granted for, presumably their school site would list the reason in his bio.
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 2, 2015 21:53:16 GMT -8
Wasn't Dremic given a medical redshirt to play a sixth year...(even after playing 5-6 games last year) Drmic was given a 5th year, not 6th.
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Post by adammclane on Aug 3, 2015 6:56:41 GMT -8
Really bummed to hear this. We went from having too many guys in 2014 to now looking a little short off the bench. The good news is we're still stacked. The only upside IMO is that this and BJ's departure may encourage Nolan Narain to reclassify.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Aug 3, 2015 9:36:42 GMT -8
Wasn't Dremic given a medical redshirt to play a sixth year...(even after playing 5-6 games last year) Drmic was given a 5th year, not 6th. Why does a player need to petition for a 5th year?...isn't it always 5 years to play 4? Did he do a Mormon mission or something like that? Maybe he needed a waiver because he had already played 7 games (so he couldn't officially count the lost season as a red-shirt season)
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Post by Gundo on Aug 3, 2015 10:03:25 GMT -8
Drmic was given a 5th year, not 6th. Why does a player need to petition for a 5th year?...isn't it always 5 years to play 4? Did he do a Mormon mission or something like that? Maybe he needed a waiver because he had already played 7 games (so he couldn't officially count the lost season as a red-shirt season) Here's the deal based on Shrigs eligibility. It looks like he has a Masters Degree in his future if his playing time is extended to two more seasons. 2012-2013 - Redshirt - scout team 2013-2014 - Played 36 games averaged 5.2 pts 1.6 rebs 2014-2015 - Played 30 games averaged 5.1 pts, 1.6 rebs - missed 6 games due to elbow injury 2015-2016 - ACL Tear - out all season (TBD) 2016-2017 - Would be his last year of eligibility if not granted a medical redshirt or waiver 2017-2018 - 6th year - TBD
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 3, 2015 10:29:11 GMT -8
Drmic was given a 5th year, not 6th. Why does a player need to petition for a 5th year?...isn't it always 5 years to play 4? Did he do a Mormon mission or something like that? Maybe he needed a waiver because he had already played 7 games (so he couldn't officially count the lost season as a red-shirt season)Bingo. Any time you play 1+ games during a season & you want to seek another year to replace that year you need to petition for the extra year. In this case it was due to injury, so sought medical hardship waiver.
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Post by standiego on Aug 3, 2015 11:02:06 GMT -8
Correct if the rules were carried out exactly as written Dremic's last year would have counted , he now gets this year to play . Not sure how many games Noodles junior, played last year before his injury but he will get a replacement year. NCAA has guidelines then judges each case .
Matt should try to rehab best as he can . Aztec coaches should try to get information from NCAA so they have full explanation from NCAA and be able to present it to Matt , when he is ready to play . Although would guess NCAA just says we will deal with it when he is ready to play.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 3, 2015 11:15:30 GMT -8
This is one of the reasons why red shirting is a bad idea. We could have had Shrigley in 2012-2013 when we needed a SG because of injuries. If Shrigley doesn't play this season, we could have had him that season for no additional missed time. Adding Shrigley to that team not only could have made a difference in a couple of games (and therefore seeding) but also made Shrigley better through that experience.
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Post by standiego on Aug 3, 2015 11:53:48 GMT -8
On the 2012-13 team we had X, Tapley, Rahon , LBF , DP , Jamaal , Winston, all played guard at some time . Where was Matt going to be the scorer we needed, get PT .? Plus that would have been his transitional year right out of HS, still learning to be a three point shooter and defense. Matt was maybe a #75 to # 150 rated recruit. Look at his first year playing for the Aztecs , after getting a year to practice his shot and defense, maybe ok . Where we needed most help that year was down low Stephens, Spencer, Johnson, JJ , Shepard , Jamaal . Would that be Young who went to Kansas ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 12:42:04 GMT -8
On the 2012-13 team we had X, Tapley, Rahon , LBF , DP , Jamaal , Winston, all played guard at some time . Where was Matt going to be the scorer we needed, get PT .? Plus that would have been his transitional year right out of HS, still learning to be a three point shooter and defense. Matt was maybe a #75 to # 150 rated recruit. Look at his first year playing for the Aztecs , after getting a year to practice his shot and defense, maybe ok . Where we needed most help that year was down low Stephens, Spencer, Johnson, JJ , Shepard , Jamaal . Would that be Young who went to Kansas ? Stan, if a player never develops to the point that he can be an important member of the team, would it not be better for the team that he held a scholarship for 4 years versus five? Had he played sparingly as a true freshman, would it not be better for he and the team to still have the red shirt available this year? Zabo didn't get much play as a true freshman. He was looking at the possibility of never getting starters minutes. Was it not better for him to have the option to get playing time elsewhere without giving up a year eligibility?
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Post by twobits on Aug 3, 2015 12:54:21 GMT -8
Drmic was given a 5th year, not 6th. Why does a player need to petition for a 5th year?...isn't it always 5 years to play 4? Did he do a Mormon mission or something like that? That's it! Shrigs should convert to Mormonism and go on a mission this year!
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Aug 3, 2015 13:09:54 GMT -8
My guess is - barring a setback - Shrigley will come back this season since he knows getting a 6th year is very unlikely. It is real shame as he was going to be a huge part of this team (likely first player off the bench). At least for him there is one more full season after this one but this will have an impact on SDSU W/L this year.
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Post by standiego on Aug 3, 2015 13:33:01 GMT -8
IMO there are no right or wrong answers for red shirting . Every situation is different. If the talent is really there and , you are going to get valuable PT freshman . It has to be a combined decision by both the coaches and player . The coaches felt Matt was going to benefit more by red shirting , then play a limited amount of time , with that roster he was rated lower then #8 player , with the abundance of guards . We can ask did Williams , D.Allen , Zabo benefit more by playing or would a red shirt have been better , each has their own story . Zabo plays freshman year mostly during OOC, then he transfers out, sits a year, then has 3 years to play . If Zabo ( who I believe could be good ) red shirts last year , would he be here rather then Williams because he can play both guard positions , still would have 4 years. IMO one of the guards could have red shirted last year. Do the middle of the road player improve enough to actually get PT , who knows, depends on the quality of the team and development of the player. If the player stays near the end of the bench , , then the staff tells them then they are not going to get the PT, or they see it and they leave J. Johnson , LBF , Shelley , Alec Williams..... or pull a BJ and head off to UTEP even before you get here. Key part being can we predict what guys are going to improve and who isn't . Wish I knew .
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Post by onions on Aug 3, 2015 14:48:29 GMT -8
Huge loss ... but we're still deep because our players are so versatile. Assuming Pope and Allen have improved their shots just a little, combined that's probably a better shooting combo than O'Brien and Shrigley at those positions last year.
And this team will get buckets ...just maybe not from 3. Cheatham, Hemsley and Allen are all solid at penetrating which will mean a lot of shots from within 12-15 feet.
Allen and Williams really needs to grow up this year too ... slow down, be less aggressive, or at least smarter on defense, and be confident in the top-of-the-key shot.
As a team we'll be more aggressive on offense. More FT's and more easy buckets because of more steals, ball movement and dribble penetration.
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Post by onions on Aug 3, 2015 15:18:26 GMT -8
Allen must step up, probably into the starting SG spot, and I think he will. It sounds as if he was already improving his game this summer, but knowing so early that Shrigley's out for the year actually helps him prepare mentally and build his confidence, especially if he's getting reps with the starters in practice and summer coaching knowing how important his role is now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:20:09 GMT -8
As I stated on this thread, I am no fan of the voluntary red shirt. It is rare that a redshirt year turns a player into a contributor. Johnson didn't get appreciably better after sitting for year. I just don't see how an extra season on the team will transform a player from not good enough to major contributor. When we are putting together strong recruiting classes it would be better t have the scholarship open up more quickly for a player who has more upside.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Aug 3, 2015 15:26:38 GMT -8
Why does a player need to petition for a 5th year?...isn't it always 5 years to play 4? Did he do a Mormon mission or something like that? That's it! Shrigs should convert to Mormonism and go on a mission this year! What a fantastic idea!! In fact...I bet other religions can probably work into the deal as well...maybe do an internship at the Vatican or something like that...
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Post by standiego on Aug 3, 2015 15:51:22 GMT -8
Would Shrigley have been a consistent scorer this year none of us know . He worked very hard to improve his game . Maybe answers whenever he gets back . Every Aztec needs to show they have stepped up their game. To me just important is for the center/5 position players to be contributing at least 12- 15 points a game . Last year for Spencer& Chol , we should be getting a combined 15 points from the guys in the middle , stop moving them out for ball screens and let them attack the basket. From the first practice this year, tell them to expect the ball coming into them quickly and either slam it home or pas it to another Aztec , but be ready . Kell and Allen at SG , same thing need about 12-15 points a game and it does not need to be a three point shot , can be a jumper , lay up . draw a shooting fouls just score the basketball and contain their shooting guard . Even Malik and Winston need to be consistent scorers not hot and cold . Do not try to do too much , or force things just use your talents and things will happen. For the team, Rebound , get into transition, run and attack the basket .
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Post by smoothcat on Aug 3, 2015 16:38:07 GMT -8
Brutal, Shrigs is my local guy from here in La Costa...that sucks.
Hopefully he can heal quickly and maybe return this season like his father was saying. I have seen him out and about in the North County a few times, seems like a soft spoken, nice kid...keep the faith Matt!
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