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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 29, 2015 16:35:32 GMT -8
Q: Are the P5 schools afraid of the Aztecs?
A: No.
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Post by ab on Jul 29, 2015 16:52:55 GMT -8
I guess they're confident that 21-0 indicates that they have no risk. well since the comment was directed at schools that refuse to give HnH you really wouldn't have much of a point anyway since UCLA gave us HnH. Either way, they're NOT afraid of us whatsoever.
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Post by pbaztec17 on Jul 29, 2015 16:56:15 GMT -8
[ Huh? Id say tx and ark are pretty comparable in their current state to osu and the illini. Maybe not historically. I guess you missed Arkansas throttling UT in the Texas Bowl after last season. The Longhorns ended up with less than 100 yards of O. id say the fact that a b12 team and sec team played eachother in the same bowl makes then at least comparable
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Post by pbaztec17 on Jul 29, 2015 17:09:12 GMT -8
What if the unranked p5er is like...texas, oregon state, illinois, arkansas, etc. i think that would be a better comparison that kansas and wazzu. It is always more important to beat a ranked FBS team, regardless of conference affiliation period ... after ranked teams would come any resource team (like texas, oregon state, illinois, arkansas, etc.) followed by non-resource FBS team and then ranked FCS-teams (NDSU) Im just not sure it is so absolute. Nevada has a great start to a season and gets to #24 ( hypothetically), we beat them then we beat an unranked but still good florida gators team. I thhink that second win turns more heads to be honest.
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Post by HighNTight on Jul 29, 2015 19:44:30 GMT -8
It is always more important to beat a ranked FBS team, regardless of conference affiliation period ... after ranked teams would come any resource team (like texas, oregon state, illinois, arkansas, etc.) followed by non-resource FBS team and then ranked FCS-teams (NDSU) Im just not sure it is so absolute. Nevada has a great start to a season and gets to #24 ( hypothetically), we beat them then we beat an unranked but still good florida gators team. I thhink that second win turns more heads to be honest. I am sure there will always be those that care more for branding and name recognition than for solid numbers and empirical data, but in the current age of the CFP committee selecting the 4 playoff teams as well as the Access Bowl participant from among the G5, resumes matter. A win over that "still good" Florida team will help, but in the end it will be the win over a ranked team that will give us the biggest bump. Of course what matters most is what each teams does the rest of the season. That Nevada team needs to finish ranked/RV to be of any benefit and the Florida team needs to finish with a winning record to be of any significance. I think the issue is that some people place a premium on a name brand ... is a win over a #24 Mizzou in the 4th week of the season really more impressive than a win over a #22 Cincinnati or #23 BYU? What should matter most is whether those teams are still ranked or receiving votes at end the regular season.
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Post by alamobruin on Jul 29, 2015 19:51:04 GMT -8
There is a factor that you must understand with regard to B12 teams, and that involves the retention of Tier 3 revenues. The B12 is the only conference that allows its members to control the television rights to one home football game and 4 home basketball games each year. This is revenue that is not shared with other members of the conference. A single home game generates some $9-10MM for Texas (about $5.5-6MM for Baylor or TCU). That is a huge chunk of income that can finance several other teams at the institution. To schedule a H&H with SDSU would result in the loss of serious revenue that can be achieved by playing a slate of FCS teams that don't require a return game. Those B12 schools are much better off spending their H&H slates on local opponents like SMU, Rice, Houston, UTSA, North Texas, etc. (or Tulsa, Maryland, Iowa) where they benefit from the recruiting exposure.
There is a reason that SDSU's H&H slate includes UCLA, Cal, Arizona, Stanford and Arizona State. Those schools don't make money from TV rights outside the predetermined revenues of their TV contract, and they all benefit from exposure in the San Diego area recruiting grounds.
In a sense, many P5s are afraid of playing SDSU, but not from a competition standpoint. They are afraid of what a huge loss of revenue would do to their athletic departments. Even a 2H&H arrangement results in the net loss of 1/2 of a home game's revenues.
If SDSU wants to improve its competitive resume, it can do so by agreeing to single road game contracts for guarantee at strong P5 programs, and counter those games with a smattering of FCS opponents in San Diego. It's not the best scenario for the home fans, but it catches the attention of the CFB machine if they can pull off some big wins, and they can add some guaranteed revenue to the coffers that they don't get under a standard H&H arrangement.
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Post by alamobruin on Jul 29, 2015 19:59:04 GMT -8
Im just not sure it is so absolute. Nevada has a great start to a season and gets to #24 ( hypothetically), we beat them then we beat an unranked but still good florida gators team. I thhink that second win turns more heads to be honest. I am sure there will always be those that care more for branding and name recognition than for solid numbers and empirical data, but in the current age of the CFP committee selecting the 4 playoff teams as well as the Access Bowl participant from among the G5, resumes matter. A win over that "still good" Florida team will help, but in the end it will be the win over a ranked team that will give us the biggest bump. Of course what matters most is what each teams does the rest of the season. That Nevada team needs to finish ranked/RV to be of any benefit and the Florida team needs to finish with a winning record to be of any significance. I think the issue is that some people place a premium on a name brand ... is a win over a #24 Mizzou in the 4th week of the season really more impressive than a win over a #22 Cincinnati or #23 BYU? What should matter most is whether those teams are still ranked or receiving votes at end the regular season. You are riding the right train, but in the wrong car. A school that is RV in the polls won't help you. Those polls mean squat. The only ranking that matters is the one that the CFPC produces, and "RV" doesn't happen in that Top 25. Take for instance the example of TCU. They managed to jump Florida State in the committee's rankings by virtue of a Minnesota team that was ranked 25th by the committee, and then STAYED at #25 after losing to OSU. Once that Minnesota team faded from the committee's rankings, TCU fell behind FSU, OSU and Baylor.
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Post by pbaztec17 on Jul 29, 2015 21:08:12 GMT -8
I am sure there will always be those that care more for branding and name recognition than for solid numbers and empirical data, but in the current age of the CFP committee selecting the 4 playoff teams as well as the Access Bowl participant from among the G5, resumes matter. A win over that "still good" Florida team will help, but in the end it will be the win over a ranked team that will give us the biggest bump. Of course what matters most is what each teams does the rest of the season. That Nevada team needs to finish ranked/RV to be of any benefit and the Florida team needs to finish with a winning record to be of any significance. I think the issue is that some people place a premium on a name brand ... is a win over a #24 Mizzou in the 4th week of the season really more impressive than a win over a #22 Cincinnati or #23 BYU? What should matter most is whether those teams are still ranked or receiving votes at end the regular season. You are riding the right train, but in the wrong car. A school that is RV in the polls won't help you. Those polls mean squat. The only ranking that matters is the one that the CFPC produces, and "RV" doesn't happen in that Top 25. Take for instance the example of TCU. They managed to jump Florida State in the committee's rankings by virtue of a Minnesota team that was ranked 25th by the committee, and then STAYED at #25 after losing to OSU. Once that Minnesota team faded from the committee's rankings, TCU fell behind FSU, OSU and Baylor. I agreevwith that. Good example
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Post by pbnative on Jul 29, 2015 21:59:12 GMT -8
They won't play SDSU in Football for the same reasons they wouldn't play SDSU in Basketball until recently... CBS Sports & The Aztecs are dangerous to play so it is a lose - lose situation for a top P5 team.
They win, it is no big deal, they lose and they take a massive hit.
Fisher couldn't get any blue blood to play them for years, especially at Viejas. Now SDSU is not a bad loss, and a resume building win. Result, a home n home with Kansas at Viejas this year. Of course I don’t think kansas would have fully agreed without the game being on ESPN.
Unfortunately football doesn't have the luxury of a post season tournament to prove itself every year like basketball does.
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Post by tonatiuh on Jul 30, 2015 9:19:58 GMT -8
Wow, that's amazing since the same year we played and beat Wazzu we also played and lost to Michigan...who Hoke was coaching. So he must have coached both teams for that one huh? Thanks for proving my point, lol. espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=312670130Congrats on beating a crappy Wazzu! Definitely a signature victory for the program! You are entitled to your own opinion, mySTRAS, but your statement, "Congrats on beating a crappy Wazzu!", makes me wonder how you came to that conclusion? They have not been one of the best teams in the PAC 12 most of the time, But in 2011 when we played they came into town 2-0. And , they were averaging 50 point per game, and were looking to move into the Top 25 after they beat us. Or, so they were close to doing that, if they won the game. So, in reality I would not call that a crappy team. The first half was close as they gave us all they could. I was there (along with 57,286 fans), and they had a pretty good QB who out-passed our own Ryan Lindley, 368-273. Our tough run game is what helped us win.
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Post by mySTRAS on Jul 30, 2015 9:29:53 GMT -8
Congrats on beating a crappy Wazzu! Definitely a signature victory for the program! You are entitled to your own opinion, mySTRAS, but your statement, "Congrats on beating a crappy Wazzu!", makes me wonder how you came to that conclusion? They have not been one of the best teams in the PAC 12 most of the time, But in 2011 when we played they came into town 2-0. And , they were averaging 50 point per game, and were looking to move into the Top 25 after they beat us. Or, so they were close to doing that, if they won the game. So, in reality I would not call that a crappy team. The first half was close as they gave us all they could. I was there (along with 57,286 fans), and they had a pretty good QB who out-passed our own Ryan Lindley, 368-273. Our tough run game is what helped us win. Their two victories to start the season were against Idaho State and UNLV... and they finished the season losing 8 of their last 10. Edit: Idaho St. finished the season 2-9 and UNLV finished the season 2-10.
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Post by aztecgold on Jul 30, 2015 9:31:34 GMT -8
If they are not afraid then please explain why the SEC plays only 8 conference games and schedules 4 home games against mostly D2 teams?
Ok, the word afraid but not be accurate, it's more like greed, but they are trying to ensure they get to a bowl game for all the teams in the conference and increase their winning %, their recruiting, and their TV money. College football sucks in that regard. The SEC made $31M per team last year. The Aztecs made $3M. Why take a risk of losing to low ranked opponent which might affect your chances at playoff spot or a higher bowl game?
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Post by AztecD on Jul 30, 2015 9:45:14 GMT -8
I like that Rocky is standing up for the little guys, but until we're beating the Power 5 schools regularly and actually winning league titles and bowl games, no one will listen.
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Post by ab on Jul 30, 2015 12:55:57 GMT -8
I guess you missed Arkansas throttling UT in the Texas Bowl after last season. The Longhorns ended up with less than 100 yards of O. id say the fact that a b12 team and sec team played eachother in the same bowl makes then at least comparable So with your logic, we a MGC team played Ohio St in Columbus (Big 10) team and they destroyed us. So because we were on the same field were we comparable? Call it whatever you want to but Arkansas manhandled Texas and yes, I was there to see it first hand.
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Post by tonatiuh on Jul 30, 2015 13:32:52 GMT -8
You are entitled to your own opinion, mySTRAS, but your statement, "Congrats on beating a crappy Wazzu!", makes me wonder how you came to that conclusion? They have not been one of the best teams in the PAC 12 most of the time, But in 2011 when we played they came into town 2-0. And , they were averaging 50 point per game, and were looking to move into the Top 25 after they beat us. Or, so they were close to doing that, if they won the game. So, in reality I would not call that a crappy team. The first half was close as they gave us all they could. I was there (along with 57,286 fans), and they had a pretty good QB who out-passed our own Ryan Lindley, 368-273. Our tough run game is what helped us win. Their two victories to start the season were against Idaho State and UNLV... and they finished the season losing 8 of their last 10. Edit: Idaho St. finished the season 2-9 and UNLV finished the season 2-10. Excuuuuuuse me! But, you are using facts that happened after our game with them. They were still undefeated when they met us, and no one could predict how good they were, or how the game would go. That's my point! Like an old sports announcer once said, " It doesn't matter if you beat teams like Our Sisters Of Mercy, you must being doing something right when you beat them that bad!"
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Post by mySTRAS on Jul 30, 2015 13:52:19 GMT -8
Their two victories to start the season were against Idaho State and UNLV... and they finished the season losing 8 of their last 10. Edit: Idaho St. finished the season 2-9 and UNLV finished the season 2-10. Excuuuuuuse me! But, you are using facts that happened after our game with them. They were still undefeated when they met us, and no one could predict how good they were, or how the game would go. That's my point! Like an old sports announcer once said, " It doesn't matter if you beat teams like Our Sisters Of Mercy, you must being doing something right when you beat them that bad!" "... makes me wonder how you came to that conclusion?" Ask a question, get an answer. I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about Idaho State and UNLV being absolutely terrible teams. Yet you give Wazzu all the credit in the world for beating them. Why exactly? Are you that desperate to prop up the Aztec victory over Wazzu that you ignore simple truths?
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Post by aztech on Jul 30, 2015 14:14:18 GMT -8
There is a factor that you must understand with regard to B12 teams, and that involves the retention of Tier 3 revenues. The B12 is the only conference that allows its members to control the television rights to one home football game and 4 home basketball games each year. This is revenue that is not shared with other members of the conference. A single home game generates some $9-10MM for Texas (about $5.5-6MM for Baylor or TCU). That is a huge chunk of income that can finance several other teams at the institution. To schedule a H&H with SDSU would result in the loss of serious revenue that can be achieved by playing a slate of FCS teams that don't require a return game. Those B12 schools are much better off spending their H&H slates on local opponents like SMU, Rice, Houston, UTSA, North Texas, etc. (or Tulsa, Maryland, Iowa) where they benefit from the recruiting exposure. There is a reason that SDSU's H&H slate includes UCLA, Cal, Arizona, Stanford and Arizona State. Those schools don't make money from TV rights outside the predetermined revenues of their TV contract, and they all benefit from exposure in the San Diego area recruiting grounds. In a sense, many P5s are afraid of playing SDSU, but not from a competition standpoint. They are afraid of what a huge loss of revenue would do to their athletic departments. Even a 2H&H arrangement results in the net loss of 1/2 of a home game's revenues. If SDSU wants to improve its competitive resume, it can do so by agreeing to single road game contracts for guarantee at strong P5 programs, and counter those games with a smattering of FCS opponents in San Diego. It's not the best scenario for the home fans, but it catches the attention of the CFB machine if they can pull off some big wins, and they can add some guaranteed revenue to the coffers that they don't get under a standard H&H arrangement. Actually, that's pretty much how Boise State earned their reputation. Their gravy was beating those strong P5 teams as underdogs, on national TV. Why SDSU can't do that too has been an endless argument on this board.
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Post by tonatiuh on Jul 30, 2015 15:15:49 GMT -8
Excuuuuuuse me! But, you are using facts that happened after our game with them. They were still undefeated when they met us, and no one could predict how good they were, or how the game would go. That's my point! Like an old sports announcer once said, " It doesn't matter if you beat teams like Our Sisters Of Mercy, you must being doing something right when you beat them that bad!" "... makes me wonder how you came to that conclusion?" Ask a question, get an answer. I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about Idaho State and UNLV being absolutely terrible teams. Yet you give Wazzu all the credit in the world for beating them. Why exactly? Are you that desperate to prop up the Aztec victory over Wazzu that you ignore simple truths? Sure, they beat two teams not considered very good, but instead of winning like 20-17, or 14-13 they put up over 50 points on one, and over 60 points on the other which you don't expect! (not from Wazzu anyway!) So, all I'm saying is they were not crappy (as you claim) at that point in time when they came to visit us. And, you can not deny that they would have made the Top 25, if they had beaten us! What happened after that is of small consequence. No I'm not desperate because any victory over a P5 team no matter who they are is better than a loss.
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Post by mySTRAS on Jul 30, 2015 17:04:03 GMT -8
"... makes me wonder how you came to that conclusion?" Ask a question, get an answer. I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about Idaho State and UNLV being absolutely terrible teams. Yet you give Wazzu all the credit in the world for beating them. Why exactly? Are you that desperate to prop up the Aztec victory over Wazzu that you ignore simple truths? Sure, they beat two teams not considered very good, but instead of winning like 20-17, or 14-13 they put up over 50 points on one, and over 60 points on the other which you don't expect! (not from Wazzu anyway!) So, all I'm saying is they were not crappy (as you claim) at that point in time when they came to visit us. And, you can not deny that they would have made the Top 25, if they had beaten us! What happened after that is of small consequence. No I'm not desperate because any victory over a P5 team no matter who they are is better than a loss. "... not considered very good... " is the understatement of the century! Idaho State beat two teams in 2011: Northern Colorado: 0-11 Western State: 1-10 in Division II
Idaho State gave up: 42 points to Portland State 39 points to Weber State 54 points to Montana State 45 points to East Washington And you still think Wazzu scoring 64 points is a big deal?
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Post by pbaztec17 on Jul 30, 2015 17:35:42 GMT -8
id say the fact that a b12 team and sec team played eachother in the same bowl makes then at least comparable So with your logic, we a MGC team played Ohio St in Columbus (Big 10) team and they destroyed us. So because we were on the same field were we comparable? Call it whatever you want to but Arkansas manhandled Texas and yes, I was there to see it first hand. No dude. that was a regular season body bag game. We would never come up against tosu in a bowl game. Pretty sure tx finished last year 6-6 in the b12 and arky was 6-6 int the sec
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