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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 10:52:30 GMT -8
This is not an "exercise". The question was about "poor" attendance. I stated an opinion on that about Houston. None of your paroxysms about that can change my opinion. Other schools, perhaps many, have poor attendance. Why does that apparently frustrate you? lol, you think I want to change your opinion? You're a troll. Our conversation is for those who still have the ability to learn and are free from the emotional baggage you are obviously carrying. Ok
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 27, 2015 11:08:33 GMT -8
Is this really a thing? In the same city, the Chargers have trouble with attendance at the same stadium - remember ticket guarantees and blackouts? This attendance criterion is a bit baffling. Somehow we got off topic from the coaches ranking in the MWC to conference expansion. The nexus of the two in my opinion is that the only way SDSU gets called up is if it adds $ to the conference we are going to. The only way you can justify more $ is to back it up with eyeballs - TV and in person. The argument can be made that TV is more important, but I digress. Either way, the only way to maximize the eyeballs is to put a good product on the field. With that in mind, where would you rank Rocky against the other coaches in the MWC? I think the "analysis" if you can call it that was about right regarding Rocky. The Chargers reference is quite prescient. Their attendance problems are hardly coincidental considering the fact the NFL is totally socialistic with regard to distribution of its TV revenue and is totally socialistic about teams' ability to acquire college talent yet the Chargers have nevertheless failed to win even one league championship over nearly half a century of NFL membership. To put it another way, considering the highly level playing field they participate in compared to the various deficits that Aztecs have faced over the years, the Chargers have underachieved just as badly over the years. Thankfully for both teams, acceptance of anything above mediocrity has been the hallmark of enough diehard fans to keep things afloat. For the Chargers, that's all they will ever need. However, the long-term survival of SDSU football will demand more.
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Post by aztech on May 27, 2015 12:21:03 GMT -8
So you answer a valid point with a personal attack. Classy. There is a lot of truth to the fact that our attendance does not reflect the alumni base or the population of San Diego. This comes full circle to the performance on the field and the coach responsible for it. More nonsense. Tell me, what of Houston's attendance? If you guys can't look at the data and immediately tell that unless you are BYU (A religious school with a free foating home schedule) attendance is critically connected to conference affiliation then you are hopeless. We could win the MW and go to a NY6 bowl and still only average in the 40's... www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24891415/college-football-attendance-home-crowds-drop-to-lowest-in-14-yearsThe problem is we haven't been able to prove this have we?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 12:31:37 GMT -8
The problem is we haven't been able to prove this have we? No G5 has ever done what you are asking...you know why? Because conference schedule will always dictate and control attendance figures. Look at UCF...notice their peak attendance is about a year after their new stadium opened...not after they went to and won a BCS bowl game. And they are located in Orlando which has half million more people than San Diego IIRC. Truth is we can win all we want but we will still have SJSU, Wyo, Nevada, etc...to help bring our average right back down. It's not logical to think we can somehow get better attendance than UCF who has their own, newer stadium, better pop numbers, and recently tested this theory being bandied about as if based on some aspect of reality.
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Post by aztech on May 27, 2015 13:44:05 GMT -8
The problem is we haven't been able to prove this have we? No G5 has ever done what you are asking...you know why? Because conference schedule will always dictate and control attendance figures.
Look at UCF...notice their peak attendance is about a year after their new stadium opened...not after they went to and won a BCS bowl game. And they are located in Orlando which has half million more people than San Diego IIRC.
Truth is we can win all we want but we will still have SJSU, Wyo, Nevada, etc...to help bring our average right back down. It's not logical to think we can somehow get better attendance than UCF who has their own, newer stadium, better pop numbers, and recently tested this theory being bandied about as if based on some aspect of reality.
Since you love the comparison market so much, tell that to ECU. Their market is way smaller than many.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:22:27 GMT -8
No G5 has ever done what you are asking...you know why? Because conference schedule will always dictate and control attendance figures.
Look at UCF...notice their peak attendance is about a year after their new stadium opened...not after they went to and won a BCS bowl game. And they are located in Orlando which has half million more people than San Diego IIRC.
Truth is we can win all we want but we will still have SJSU, Wyo, Nevada, etc...to help bring our average right back down. It's not logical to think we can somehow get better attendance than UCF who has their own, newer stadium, better pop numbers, and recently tested this theory being bandied about as if based on some aspect of reality.
Since you love the comparison market so much, tell that to ECU. Their market is way smaller than many.
Fail...look at what I was responding to, Rebar brought up our pop, not me...and ECU still only averaged in the 40's...they are they second highest drawing G5 after BYU...BTW. Fact is the only G5 school capable of drawing over 50k on average is a religious school that currently has quasi P5 status thanks to the SEC and ACC. I'll refer you back to my original point...the biggest factor effecting attendance is conference affiliation, THEN performance, that is easily visible with just a cursory review of the 2014 attendance numbers I posted.
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Post by Spud on May 27, 2015 14:30:44 GMT -8
The problem is we haven't been able to prove this have we? No G5 has ever done what you are asking...you know why? Because conference schedule will always dictate and control attendance figures. Look at UCF...notice their peak attendance is about a year after their new stadium opened...not after they went to and won a BCS bowl game. And they are located in Orlando which has half million more people than San Diego IIRC. Truth is we can win all we want but we will still have SJSU, Wyo, Nevada, etc...to help bring our average right back down. It's not logical to think we can somehow get better attendance than UCF who has their own, newer stadium, better pop numbers, and recently tested this theory being bandied about as if based on some aspect of reality. Yeah, all this Rocky talk aside, as long as we're bootstrapped with our god awful conference schedule, and further dragged down by a lackluster home OOC schedule, we're doomed to the 20K attendance for the foreseeable future. Only the hardcore Aztec fans and parents of the rec kids out on the field show up for games. Can we do a Sky Show every game?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:40:00 GMT -8
No G5 has ever done what you are asking...you know why? Because conference schedule will always dictate and control attendance figures. Look at UCF...notice their peak attendance is about a year after their new stadium opened...not after they went to and won a BCS bowl game. And they are located in Orlando which has half million more people than San Diego IIRC. Truth is we can win all we want but we will still have SJSU, Wyo, Nevada, etc...to help bring our average right back down. It's not logical to think we can somehow get better attendance than UCF who has their own, newer stadium, better pop numbers, and recently tested this theory being bandied about as if based on some aspect of reality. Yeah, all this Rocky talk aside, as long as we're bootstrapped with our god awful conference schedule, and further dragged down by a lackluster home OOC schedule, we're doomed to the 20K attendance for the foreseeable future. Only the hardcore Aztec fans and parents of the rec kids out on the field show up for games. Can we do a Sky Show every game? I agree...even if we conquer the MW we will max out in the low 40's....this is why I believe a BOR is in the best interest of a school like SDSU. The problem is that won't happen unless tv execs bless a new BOR in advance of its creation...that could happen if the P5 over play their hand next time tv deals are being renegotiated in 5 to 7 years (I think?). In the other thread I posted the 2014 financials for all D1 programs that released their numbers (private schools mostly not listed). Based on those numbers its clear that about 10 to 12 G5 schools have similar funding and fan support, falls below the P5 average, but are also clearly at the top of the G5 group. If a conference can be formed from this group we have something resembling a 'longterm' chance without entry into a P5 sometime in the next 5 to 10 years. This conference would be a shoe-in for the NY6 bowl nearly every year and would garner 5 to 6 NCAA bids (Funding from tourney credits should not be underestimated, especially as they continue to go up).
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 15:13:37 GMT -8
Since you love the comparison market so much, tell that to ECU. Their market is way smaller than many.
Fail...look at what I was responding to, Rebar brought up our pop, not me...and ECU still only averaged in the 40's...they are they second highest drawing G5 after BYU...BTW. Fact is the only G5 school capable of drawing over 50k on average is a religious school that currently has quasi P5 status thanks to the SEC and ACC. I'll refer you back to my original point...the biggest factor effecting attendance is conference affiliation, THEN performance, that is easily visible with just a cursory review of the 2014 attendance numbers I posted. The biggest factor is performance. And THAT is the direct result of our HC and AD. See, we partially agree. You'll eventually get there.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 15:48:07 GMT -8
Fail...look at what I was responding to, Rebar brought up our pop, not me...and ECU still only averaged in the 40's...they are they second highest drawing G5 after BYU...BTW. Fact is the only G5 school capable of drawing over 50k on average is a religious school that currently has quasi P5 status thanks to the SEC and ACC. I'll refer you back to my original point...the biggest factor effecting attendance is conference affiliation, THEN performance, that is easily visible with just a cursory review of the 2014 attendance numbers I posted. The biggest factor is performance. And THAT is the direct result of our HC and AD. See, we partially agree. You'll eventually get there. Signed Indiana, Illinois, Pitt, Syracuse, Kansas, Vanderbilt, and Minnesota(sorry devil...) among others. You can look at the attendance numbers and pretty much see where the P5 end and G5 begin...it's that obvious...well to some. www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24891415/college-football-attendance-home-crowds-drop-to-lowest-in-14-years
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Post by originalshow00 on May 27, 2015 17:33:01 GMT -8
They did not factor in we have two head coaches basically Hauck and Long.Where does that put us in these rankings. I don't know, but when you mix a mediocre coach with a disappointment coach, does that equal "improvement"? Or an accretion in mediocrity? Or...? Toledo called some of the dumbest plays last year and cost us some games but Hauck is a good coach and so is Rocky so f××× this thread and who was it again sporting news who has no idea about the mountain west in the first place.Myownwords I doubt you know what you are griping about either.Who would you hire?
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 18:32:05 GMT -8
I don't know, but when you mix a mediocre coach with a disappointment coach, does that equal "improvement"? Or an accretion in mediocrity? Or...? Toledo called some of the dumbest plays last year and cost us some games but Hauck is a good coach and so is Rocky so f××× this thread and who was it again sporting news who has no idea about the mountain west in the first place.Myownwords I doubt you know what you are griping about either.Who would you hire? How could I possibly answer that question? I'm not a member of search team, are you? Is there some requirement to have a replacement before you can know what is inadequate?
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Post by tonatiuh on May 27, 2015 20:44:10 GMT -8
Why is Hawaii the hardest job in college football? Probably because of the travel for the team. It is usually a 5 hour flight just from California to get to Hawaii. So, you can imagine how long it would take for the Hawaii team to fly to other midwest and east coast games. Many recruits are not that excited being that far away from home.
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Post by sdcoug on May 28, 2015 7:09:45 GMT -8
Why is Hawaii the hardest job in college football? Probably because of the travel for the team. It is usually a 5 hour flight just from California to get to Hawaii. So, you can imagine how long it would take for the Hawaii team to fly to other midwest and east coast games. Many recruits are not that excited being that far away from home. Even more so travel for recruiting. Hard to build relationships with players on a Friday night in LA when it's 5+ hours to get to virtually ANY game where there are key recruits (outside Hawaii).
Plus, as you noted, you're isolated in Hawaii. As nice as it is, kids like to be able to go home & visit the family and going to a Texas or Cali for the weekend in February or March isn't easy. With the new total cost of attendance stipend this should help them to some degree.
Add in rumors of shutting down the program from a while back....
June Jones did well, primarily by owning the local talent (Timmy Chang, etc.). It's possible someone can turn them around but good luck...
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