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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 11:12:46 GMT -8
The fact that you think you can predict the future with such smugness and arrongance is both sad and comical. You can have your opinion of RL but your delivery is what cracks me up. Like you and only those who agree with you know the truth and the rest are just fools. You have no damn idea what will happen in the future and neither do I... that is the only truth you should be concerned with. Calling people losers on a message board? (or anywhere for that matter)... and your qualifications for that are? Bro, there is a vast difference between calling someone a loser and saying they are complacent. I did not call anyone a loser. Don't put words into my mouth. Personal attacks while hiding behind a keyboard are childish and do not further the conversation. What I put on here I would have no problem saying to someone in person. So let me ask you then, are you pleased with the state of SDSU FB and with our results over the past four years? You misread my disappointment for the state of our program for smugness and arrogance. You say that I am predicting the future? I am simply looking at the past and the results it shows us. That is the only truth we have to look at. If you are looking at something else that would give me more hope then by all means bring it up. I would love to have my mind changed on this matter. Bro, I am only responding to your delivery. If you meant it to be lighter than perhaps use different words. I read it and took it exactly as I responded. It sure sounded like you were calling both RL a loser and anyone who didn't agree with that. I said, it cracks me up. And perhaps my choice of the word sad should not have been used there... my bad.
Finally, regardless of what you think the past indicates, it is only the past, and not the future. I am fine with your opinion of RL and SDSU FB, you are free to have an opinion on that... it can be the same as mine or different. I know I don't have all the answers nor am I always right. But maybe lighten up on the deliver and people like myself will not misread your meaning.
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 22, 2015 11:35:22 GMT -8
I am completely on the side of those who are not satisfied with this program. But rather than go back and forth on the merits of Rocky or any other MWC coach, let's recognize the bottom line. That would be as follows:
(A) After a horrible decade, Brady Hoke achieved the best season since 1977 (first 9 win season since then and first bowl win since 1969).
(B) The program has declined since then with the past 3 seasons indicating a discernible trend. 9 wins to 8 wins to 7 wins. Not only should be have beaten Navy decisively, we should also have beaten Louisiana decisively.
(C) Rocky is a good coach but in no way a great one. We need a great one, or at least one as good as Hoke. Stumbling along with 7 or 8 wins when we need 10, 11, or 12 a season is a recipe for disaster. I think the G5 are going to find it harder and harder to maintain football programs. There will probably be fewer and fewer chances to get paydays by visiting P5 schools, for one thing. TV revenue is not going to improve for us, but I'll bet it will for the P5 schools. Our ONLY chance to put the program on a solid footing is to get a coach who is at least as good as those other MWC coaches whom this survey rated above Rocky.
Anything less than 9 wins this year should cause Rocky to be retired. What I'm afraid of is that the school will accept 7 or 8 wins again, god help us maybe even 6 wins. Their patience with respect to mediocrity is alarming. Or am I wrong on that last point?
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Post by sdcoug on May 22, 2015 12:08:10 GMT -8
Is that how you define using logic? That's scary.
Harsin lost to AF on his home field - guess he should move down to 4th or 5th. Wells lost at Arkansas St - yes, the same Arkansas St. team that was 7-6 out of the powerful Sun Belt, and gave up 60+ to Toledo. Plus, the only bowls he's coached in are the Poinsettia & New Mex, which by your definition is a failure. So now you have to move him down. Calhoun - seriously? The same Calhoun who's 34-30 for his career in conference at AF & who went 0-8 in 2013? Yea, that makes sense. He wouldn't be coaching this year had he done that at SDSU. Bohl? Really? 2-6 as a MW coach, and the same guy who lost to SJSU at HOME! Yes, friggin 3-9 SJSU and AT HOME! But hey, at least he beat a 3-9 Florida Atlantic team at home! Maybe that's why he's rated so high (#justified).
I think DeRuyter's a good coach, but they got CRUSHED by Wyoming AT HOME, and you don't think his success at FSU is directly linked to Carr? A QB he INHERITED, and didn't recruit? Let's see how he does without him. Most pick them to slide, but he has done a good job of recruiting high risk kids (& those booted from other programs).
You can make a case for many MW coaches to fall 1-5, including Rocky in each of those spots. You can tear apart virtually every coach, especially at the MW level.
If you could get past your personal bias you might actually see that. Or at least use actual logic instead of "lost to Navy on their home field". Every coach has a few bad losses.
You can excuse a few bad losses when you win the MWC and beat a P5 team - in a bowl game no less. I point to the Navy game specifically because it was a horrible loss that did not have to happen. Rocky was interviewed prior to the game and was quoted as saying that he did not spend much time preparing for the game, rather he used over half of the practice time available to get younger players reps to prepare for this season. The announcers were shocked by his response and that was not the path Navy took. Putting forward half-assed prep time for a bowl game in your hometown is an insult to the alumni and fans. It killed any momentum in fan support that was carried through the woeful results of last season. You and others may be happy with one shared conference title (and subsequent ass kicking by BYU at home) in the past 4 years, but I am not. One thing I have to reiterate because you have chosen to ignore it. I like Rocky Long. I think he is a good coach that loves football and his players. I would love to see him succeed beyond measure. What I would like to see and what I can rationally expect are two different things. If you want to talk about bias, then judge mine on those terms. Here is the deal. The rankings in the original post were valid. Rocky for all of his strong points has a long and proven track record that says we should expect to get what we have been getting. That's your take? Disagree. For one, they DEFINITELY prepared for the game - he said that often, and he gave them PLENTY of respect in every interview & news conference. To think they didn't spend time preparing - that's ridiculous. And yes, we SHOULD have won that game, but we shouldn't have turned it over 3 times either, nor should a PK who's had a very good year miss that kick. There's plenty of blame (I wouldn't have gone for it on 4th but that wasn't what determined the outcome either). The staff had them in position to win (& put the game away) often, and it didn't appear to be about a "lack of preparation". And again, EVERY coach & team has bad games.
Like EVERY coach during bowl season, they try & keep the routine for preparation consistent with the rest of the season. You have a much longer time prior to the game than you typically do during the season, and you definitely do not need to spend each and every practice on the bowl game. The primary benefit of going to a bowl IS to get additional practice time for your younger players. NEWS FLASH - that's what EVERY coach does during bowl season. Here's another news flash - some coaches have practices EVERY WEEK where a good portion is ONLY the younger players. You can only prepare for a particular game so much. Do you actually believe Meyer had OSU practicing every single day for 3+ weeks for Alabama? (FYI - they didn't)
BTW, no one's "happy" within only 1 conference championship. We all WANT more; not everyone EXPECTS it. The difference is many actually understand the shortfalls of the program, and what Rocky brings to the table. We don't EXPECT to win the championship every year. We would like to, but we also realize there are other good programs who want the same, including others who have more revenue, better facilities, etc.
If you really want to see the program improve it starts with the fan base. We have to help put our coaches on equal footing, which means buying season tickets & donating to the scholarship fund.
As for the rankings, there valid - FOR THAT 1 SN WRITER. If you choose to agree with him, that's YOUR preference. But it's far from a scientific analysis nor proof of which coaches are and are not good. As others have pointed out, there are some of these which are straight out stupid & based on conjecture rather than fact. Rocky has been successful. He was loyal to his alma mater, and if you want to see how well he did compare HIS record to ANY OTHER New Mexico coach since (or even just prior). THAT shows the success of the program. He won were few ever have. What have they done since he left? When was the last time NM went to a bowl? Rocky was 43-31 at NM since 2001, and 32-20 at SDSU. That's the modern era; he's been successful. That's far from being mediocre. That's SUCCESS and yes, that's a track record.
I think every person on this board wants this program to be successful. To think you want more than anyone else is a joke. Some just choose to look at success differently; some choose to enjoy the wins rather than just focus on & bitch about the losses. Some ignore realities & think they should be champions every year. Something non-dominant programs do NOT do, and we're FAR from a dominant program on ANY aspect of our infrastructure.
We all want what's best for the program, so don't for a second think you want more than anyone else. You don't. People just have differing opinions on how you get there.
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Post by aztech on May 22, 2015 12:13:06 GMT -8
You can excuse a few bad losses when you win the MWC and beat a P5 team - in a bowl game no less. I point to the Navy game specifically because it was a horrible loss that did not have to happen. Rocky was interviewed prior to the game and was quoted as saying that he did not spend much time preparing for the game, rather he used over half of the practice time available to get younger players reps to prepare for this season. The announcers were shocked by his response and that was not the path Navy took. Putting forward half-assed prep time for a bowl game in your hometown is an insult to the alumni and fans. It killed any momentum in fan support that was carried through the woeful results of last season. You and others may be happy with one shared conference title (and subsequent ass kicking by BYU at home) in the past 4 years, but I am not. One thing I have to reiterate because you have chosen to ignore it. I like Rocky Long. I think he is a good coach that loves football and his players. I would love to see him succeed beyond measure. What I would like to see and what I can rationally expect are two different things. If you want to talk about bias, then judge mine on those terms. Here is the deal. The rankings in the original post were valid. Rocky for all of his strong points has a long and proven track record that says we should expect to get what we have been getting. I don't know man...maybe he did indicate underclassman would get more reps thanks to bowl practices. But my impression of him in this interview is he highly respected what Navy was capable of. And as we all saw the D performed well enough to give us an opportunity to win...Old Bobby boy and his O though?... Do you know of any coach who wouldn't show respect for his opponent? You know as most everyone here that Rocky has been quoted as saying going to bowl games allows practice time for the younger guys or something to that affect. I question that philosophy rather than devoting the majority of practice time for the bowl opponent. Ironically, it makes me wonder if Hoke prepared against Navy like Rocky did.
We can excuse Rocky for not having a QB in his 4th year, but shouldn't there have been a balls out practice strategy to compensate for that? A week working with young players and the other for the bowl opponent doesn't sound like he took the bowl that seriously. I've read some say all bowl coaches do this as well, but I don't believe it. To say Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, et al, also do that considering the stakes they face, is ludicrous. IMO whether it's a big bowl or the tiny ones we play in, 100% dedication should be for why you're there.
Rocky can run his show any way he wants, but his bowl record here and at UNM have the same pattern.
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Post by sdcoug on May 22, 2015 12:14:23 GMT -8
I am completely on the side of those who are not satisfied with this program. But rather than go back and forth on the merits of Rocky or any other MWC coach, let's recognize the bottom line. That would be as follows: (A) After a horrible decade, Brady Hoke achieved the best season since 1977 (first 9 win season since then and first bowl win since 1969). (B) The program has declined since then with the past 3 seasons indicating a discernible trend. 9 wins to 8 wins to 7 wins. Not only should be have beaten Navy decisively, we should also have beaten Louisiana decisively. (C) Rocky is a good coach but in no way a great one. We need a great one, or at least one as good as Hoke. Stumbling along with 7 or 8 wins when we need 10, 11, or 12 a season is a recipe for disaster. I think the G5 are going to find it harder and harder to maintain football programs. There will probably be fewer and fewer chances to get paydays by visiting P5 schools, for one thing. TV revenue is not going to improve for us, but I'll bet it will for the P5 schools. Our ONLY chance to put the program on a solid footing is to get a coach who is at least as good as those other MWC coaches whom this survey rated above Rocky. Anything less than 9 wins this year should cause Rocky to be retired. What I'm afraid of is that the school will accept 7 or 8 wins again, god help maybe even 6 wins. Their patience with respect to mediocrity is alarming. Or am I wrong on that last point? AzWm You make it sound like these are facts & are a given. They're not. If you're saying these are you're opinions & YOUR bottom line - sure. That's all anyone is saying.
You actually make it sound like all those coaches "rated above Rocky" are actually better. It's ONE GUYS OPINION which you are validating.
"Our ONLY chance to put the program on solid footing" - LOL. Again, YOUR opinion. How about increasing attendance & donations so we can fund the Fowler expansion, and increase the football operations budget? How about just supporting the program rather than taking every possible opportunity to preach retirement?
And YES, you are very wrong on that last point, but that's MY opinion just like the point is yours.
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Post by sdcoug on May 22, 2015 12:19:41 GMT -8
I don't know man...maybe he did indicate underclassman would get more reps thanks to bowl practices. But my impression of him in this interview is he highly respected what Navy was capable of. And as we all saw the D performed well enough to give us an opportunity to win...Old Bobby boy and his O though?... Do you know of any coach who wouldn't show respect for his opponent? You know as most everyone here that Rocky has been quoted as saying going to bowl games allows practice time for the younger guys or something to that affect. I question that philosophy rather than devoting the majority of practice time for the bowl opponent. Ironically, it makes me wonder if Hoke prepared against Navy like Rocky did.
We can excuse Rocky for not having a QB in his 4th year, but shouldn't there have been a balls out practice strategy to compensate for that? A week working with young players and the other for the bowl opponent doesn't sound like he took the bowl that seriously. I've read some say all bowl coaches do this as well, but I don't believe it. To say Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, et al, also do that considering the stakes they face, is ludicrous. IMO whether it's a big bowl or the tiny ones we play in, 100% dedication should be for why you're there.
Rocky can run his show any way he wants, but his bowl record here and at UNM have the same pattern.
Uh, that IS one of the primary benefits of going to a bowl game. Just search what other coaches say about the benefits of getting in a bowl & you'll find most if not all say the same damn thing. Funny to think otherwise.
Below is just 1 quote re: to the benefits of a bowl from Christ/Pitt, and note what the player says.
And no, this isn't the one program or player who has this mindset. It's a common theme:
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triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/3022886-85/bowl-chryst-pitt-game-players-season-coach-benefits-guys-compass#axzz3attCUujd
The tangible benefits to the players — other than the gift bags and free meals offered by bowl officials at the site — would be license to practice 15 more times.
Senior guard Chris Jacobson, who has gone to a bowl game in all but his freshman season with the Panthers in 2007, said the experience would be good for younger players who didn't get a lot of practice time during the regular season.
“We really got after it, the younger guys, and the older guys got a break,” he said, recalling previous pre-bowl practices. “It's kind of rough, actually. I feel bad for the younger guys,” he said, laughing.
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Post by aztech on May 22, 2015 12:38:10 GMT -8
Do you know of any coach who wouldn't show respect for his opponent? You know as most everyone here that Rocky has been quoted as saying going to bowl games allows practice time for the younger guys or something to that affect. I question that philosophy rather than devoting the majority of practice time for the bowl opponent. Ironically, it makes me wonder if Hoke prepared against Navy like Rocky did.
We can excuse Rocky for not having a QB in his 4th year, but shouldn't there have been a balls out practice strategy to compensate for that? A week working with young players and the other for the bowl opponent doesn't sound like he took the bowl that seriously. I've read some say all bowl coaches do this as well, but I don't believe it. To say Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, et al, also do that considering the stakes they face, is ludicrous. IMO whether it's a big bowl or the tiny ones we play in, 100% dedication should be for why you're there.
Rocky can run his show any way he wants, but his bowl record here and at UNM have the same pattern.
Uh, that IS one of the primary benefits of going to a bowl game. Just search what other coaches say about the benefits of getting in a bowl & you'll find most if not all say the same damn thing. Funny to think otherwise.
Below is just 1 quote re: to the benefits of a bowl from Christ/Pitt, and note what the player says.
And no, this isn't the one program or player who has this mindset. It's a common theme:
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triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/3022886-85/bowl-chryst-pitt-game-players-season-coach-benefits-guys-compass#axzz3attCUujd
The tangible benefits to the players — other than the gift bags and free meals offered by bowl officials at the site — would be license to practice 15 more times.
Senior guard Chris Jacobson, who has gone to a bowl game in all but his freshman season with the Panthers in 2007, said the experience would be good for younger players who didn't get a lot of practice time during the regular season.
“We really got after it, the younger guys, and the older guys got a break,” he said, recalling previous pre-bowl practices. “It's kind of rough, actually. I feel bad for the younger guys,” he said, laughing.
Pitt is a BCS team, don't they usually go to post-Xmas bowls? Ours are before Xmas so we don't get that much time before our bowl games.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 12:38:26 GMT -8
I don't know man...maybe he did indicate underclassman would get more reps thanks to bowl practices. But my impression of him in this interview is he highly respected what Navy was capable of. And as we all saw the D performed well enough to give us an opportunity to win...Old Bobby boy and his O though?... Do you know of any coach who wouldn't show respect for his opponent? You know as most everyone here that Rocky has been quoted as saying going to bowl games allows practice time for the younger guys or something to that affect. I question that philosophy rather than devoting the majority of practice time for the bowl opponent. Ironically, it makes me wonder if Hoke prepared against Navy like Rocky did.
We can excuse Rocky for not having a QB in his 4th year, but shouldn't there have been a balls out practice strategy to compensate for that? A week working with young players and the other for the bowl opponent doesn't sound like he took the bowl that seriously. I've read some say all bowl coaches do this as well, but I don't believe it. To say Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, et al, also do that considering the stakes they face, is ludicrous. IMO whether it's a big bowl or the tiny ones we play in, 100% dedication should be for why you're there.
Rocky can run his show any way he wants, but his bowl record here and at UNM have the same pattern.
OK...so basically there is no point because you will only believe what agrees with your pre-established view on things? I mean I don't even know where you read that but I find it telling you simply dismiss it as it doesn't jive with your feelings. Nothing wrong with that...but whats the point of even talking about it if that's the case? Just so we are clear here is my take on Rocky...He brings toughness and discipline (on and off the field) to the program. He also provides consistency to a program that has not really experienced it since the 70's. He has been a HC at 2 schools, UNM and SDSU, where he has helped revive programs long dormant/dead. At UNM he stepped down once he felt new blood was needed and he could achieve no more than he already had. At SDSU he has taken his team to a bowl game each season, where unfortunately he has had little success here and throughout his career. Over the last 2 seasons SDSU has had one of the lowest rated offenses(points) in D1 and has turned the ball over at a record pace while failing to score. This year and next years teams will probably be more athletic than any team he has coached(as HC). 2015 and 2016 also represent RL's final chance(s) to prove he is more than just a good/passable coach, but a great one. The last 2 seasons have disappointed Aztec fans who's expectations quickly grew with just a few years of success after a generation of disappointment. I like Rocky because he has done something here that few have ever done. But I also know that he may have already hit his ceiling and I hope/believe that he will quickly be replaced if that's the case after either this season or next. However, IMO, dropping him now after watching Toledo nearly shipwreck this team would be a mistake and would fail to allow us(the fans) to know for sure if RL has peaked. At this point we know he will be the HC next season...whether people agree with me or not the team and their performance will dictate the truth, not what any of us post here.
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Post by aztech on May 22, 2015 12:47:57 GMT -8
Do you know of any coach who wouldn't show respect for his opponent? You know as most everyone here that Rocky has been quoted as saying going to bowl games allows practice time for the younger guys or something to that affect. I question that philosophy rather than devoting the majority of practice time for the bowl opponent. Ironically, it makes me wonder if Hoke prepared against Navy like Rocky did.
We can excuse Rocky for not having a QB in his 4th year, but shouldn't there have been a balls out practice strategy to compensate for that? A week working with young players and the other for the bowl opponent doesn't sound like he took the bowl that seriously. I've read some say all bowl coaches do this as well, but I don't believe it. To say Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, et al, also do that considering the stakes they face, is ludicrous. IMO whether it's a big bowl or the tiny ones we play in, 100% dedication should be for why you're there.
Rocky can run his show any way he wants, but his bowl record here and at UNM have the same pattern.
OK...so basically there is no point because you will only believe what agrees with your pre-established view on things? I mean I don't even know where you read that but I find it telling you simply dismiss it as it doesn't jive with your feelings. Nothing wrong with that...but whats the point of even talking about it if that's the case?
Just so we are clear here is my take on Rocky...He brings toughness and discipline (on and off the field) to the program. He also provides consistency to a program that has not really experienced it since the 70's. He has been a HC at 2 schools, UNM and SDSU, where he has helped revive programs long dormant/dead. At UNM he stepped down once he felt new blood was needed and he could achieve no more than he already had. At SDSU he has taken his team to a bowl game each season, where unfortunately he has had little success here and throughout his career. Over the last 2 seasons SDSU has had one of the lowest rated offenses(points) in D1 and has turned the ball over at a record pace while failing to score. This year and next years teams will probably be more athletic than any team he has coached(as HC). 2015 and 2016 also represent RL's final chance(s) to prove he is more than just a good/passable coach, but a great one. The last 2 seasons have disappointed Aztec fans who's expectations quickly grew with just a few years of success after a generation of disappointment. I like Rocky because he has done something here that few have ever done. But I also know that he may have already hit his ceiling and I hope/believe that he will quickly be replaced if that's the case after either this season or next. However, IMO, dropping him now after watching Toledo nearly shipwreck this team would be a mistake and would fail to allow us(the fans) to know for sure if RL has peaked. At this point we know he will be the HC next season...whether people agree with me or not the team and their performance will dictate the truth, not what any of us post here. Please explain what you're trying to say in your 1st paragraph.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 13:05:10 GMT -8
OK...so basically there is no point because you will only believe what agrees with your pre-established view on things? I mean I don't even know where you read that but I find it telling you simply dismiss it as it doesn't jive with your feelings. Nothing wrong with that...but whats the point of even talking about it if that's the case?
Just so we are clear here is my take on Rocky...He brings toughness and discipline (on and off the field) to the program. He also provides consistency to a program that has not really experienced it since the 70's. He has been a HC at 2 schools, UNM and SDSU, where he has helped revive programs long dormant/dead. At UNM he stepped down once he felt new blood was needed and he could achieve no more than he already had. At SDSU he has taken his team to a bowl game each season, where unfortunately he has had little success here and throughout his career. Over the last 2 seasons SDSU has had one of the lowest rated offenses(points) in D1 and has turned the ball over at a record pace while failing to score. This year and next years teams will probably be more athletic than any team he has coached(as HC). 2015 and 2016 also represent RL's final chance(s) to prove he is more than just a good/passable coach, but a great one. The last 2 seasons have disappointed Aztec fans who's expectations quickly grew with just a few years of success after a generation of disappointment. I like Rocky because he has done something here that few have ever done. But I also know that he may have already hit his ceiling and I hope/believe that he will quickly be replaced if that's the case after either this season or next. However, IMO, dropping him now after watching Toledo nearly shipwreck this team would be a mistake and would fail to allow us(the fans) to know for sure if RL has peaked. At this point we know he will be the HC next season...whether people agree with me or not the team and their performance will dictate the truth, not what any of us post here. Please explain what you're trying to say in your 1st paragraph. Huh? If you look close you can see where I bold your font...that is what the first paragraph is responding to.
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Post by sdcoug on May 22, 2015 13:11:41 GMT -8
Uh, that IS one of the primary benefits of going to a bowl game. Just search what other coaches say about the benefits of getting in a bowl & you'll find most if not all say the same damn thing. Funny to think otherwise.
Below is just 1 quote re: to the benefits of a bowl from Christ/Pitt, and note what the player says.
And no, this isn't the one program or player who has this mindset. It's a common theme:
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triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/3022886-85/bowl-chryst-pitt-game-players-season-coach-benefits-guys-compass#axzz3attCUujd
The tangible benefits to the players — other than the gift bags and free meals offered by bowl officials at the site — would be license to practice 15 more times.
Senior guard Chris Jacobson, who has gone to a bowl game in all but his freshman season with the Panthers in 2007, said the experience would be good for younger players who didn't get a lot of practice time during the regular season.
“We really got after it, the younger guys, and the older guys got a break,” he said, recalling previous pre-bowl practices. “It's kind of rough, actually. I feel bad for the younger guys,” he said, laughing.
Pitt is a BCS team, don't they usually go to post-Xmas bowls? Ours are before Xmas so we don't get that much time before our bowl games. Our last regular season game was November 29th; the bowl game was the 23rd. You don't prepare every day for 1 team for a MONTH. You only get 15 days to practice no matter WHEN you play.
Do you think teams practice on Christmas? Who cares if you play the 23rd vs. 26th vs. 27th? That doesn't mean you spend 3 more practices focusing on your bowl opponent. Bowl practices are to develop players, period. Not just game prep.
Teams who play later typically take more time off after their last game, and what playing later affords you the opportunity to do is even get MORE time for your younger players!
Since you apparently don't believe that developing the younger players is a focus of bowl practice, here is a link to a very typical article on the subject and some more quotes for you. You might want to read paragraph #2. So yes, BOWL PRACTICES ARE FOR DEVELOPING YOUNGER PLAYERS.
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sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=5921827
(on NOT making bowl) "Number one, it really hurts the development of your young players," said Rutgers coach Greg Schiano, whose Scarlet Knights finished 4-8 after playing in five straight bowl games in 2005-09. "You are looking at 10 to 15 practices that we miss out on."
It's probably no coincidence that all but 19 of the 70 FBS teams playing in bowl games in 2010 appeared in the postseason last year. Many coaches believe bowl practices are a spring board to next season, because they get to spend so much time developing younger players who don't get nearly as many reps during the regular season.
"It's kind of like the high school football playoffs, when the varsity teams get to bring up the freshmen and sophomores and see what they can do," said Toledo coach Tim Beckman, who guided the Rockets to their first bowl game since 2005, against Florida International in the Dec. 26 Little Caesar's Bowl in Detroit. "All these teams that are playing in bowl games seem to be the same ones every year."
Tennessee coach Derek Dooley said the additional practice time will be invaluable for his team's younger players. If the Volunteers hadn't won their final four games to finish 6-6, they'd be sitting at home instead of preparing to play North Carolina in the Dec. 30 Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl in Nashville.
The NCAA allows teams to have 15 additional practices before playing in a bowl game.
"It really benefits us because a lot of our young guys didn't start coming on until the fourth, fifth or sixth game," Dooley said. "A lot of these young guys didn't get the benefits of the first two weeks of training camp [in August] because they were just swimming. It's hard to stress bare-bone fundamentals when you're preparing for games during the season."
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Post by sdcoug on May 22, 2015 13:16:45 GMT -8
OK...so basically there is no point because you will only believe what agrees with your pre-established view on things? I mean I don't even know where you read that but I find it telling you simply dismiss it as it doesn't jive with your feelings. Nothing wrong with that...but whats the point of even talking about it if that's the case?
Just so we are clear here is my take on Rocky...He brings toughness and discipline (on and off the field) to the program. He also provides consistency to a program that has not really experienced it since the 70's. He has been a HC at 2 schools, UNM and SDSU, where he has helped revive programs long dormant/dead. At UNM he stepped down once he felt new blood was needed and he could achieve no more than he already had. At SDSU he has taken his team to a bowl game each season, where unfortunately he has had little success here and throughout his career. Over the last 2 seasons SDSU has had one of the lowest rated offenses(points) in D1 and has turned the ball over at a record pace while failing to score. This year and next years teams will probably be more athletic than any team he has coached(as HC). 2015 and 2016 also represent RL's final chance(s) to prove he is more than just a good/passable coach, but a great one. The last 2 seasons have disappointed Aztec fans who's expectations quickly grew with just a few years of success after a generation of disappointment. I like Rocky because he has done something here that few have ever done. But I also know that he may have already hit his ceiling and I hope/believe that he will quickly be replaced if that's the case after either this season or next. However, IMO, dropping him now after watching Toledo nearly shipwreck this team would be a mistake and would fail to allow us(the fans) to know for sure if RL has peaked. At this point we know he will be the HC next season...whether people agree with me or not the team and their performance will dictate the truth, not what any of us post here. Please explain what you're trying to say in your 1st paragraph. Didn't write it, but it's easy enough to comprehend.
You stated you don't believe most coaches don't do the same thing as Rocky despite several quotes and links to the contrary, so you're basically deciding to not believe anything that isn't your opinion. So you're not open to quotes specifically from college coaches who are saying the same thing as Rocky why would you even bother listening to people on this board, and therefore why even have a conversation about the subject? You're just going to default to your original beliefs & ignore what other coaches are saying, right?
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Post by aztech on May 22, 2015 15:24:35 GMT -8
Please explain what you're trying to say in your 1st paragraph. Didn't write it, but it's easy enough to comprehend.
You stated you don't believe most coaches don't do the same thing as Rocky despite several quotes and links to the contrary, so you're basically deciding to not believe anything that isn't your opinion. So you're not open to quotes specifically from college coaches who are saying the same thing as Rocky why would you even bother listening to people on this board, and therefore why even have a conversation about the subject? You're just going to default to your original beliefs & ignore what other coaches are saying, right?
This is the internet where I don't believe a lot of things so I don't care what YOU believe. Like I said, we only have a couple of weeks to practice for our kind of bowls, not three or fours weeks where there would be some "dead time" when young guys can have at it.
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Post by aztech on May 22, 2015 15:36:39 GMT -8
Pitt is a BCS team, don't they usually go to post-Xmas bowls? Ours are before Xmas so we don't get that much time before our bowl games. Our last regular season game was November 29th; the bowl game was the 23rd. You don't prepare every day for 1 team for a MONTH. You only get 15 days to practice no matter WHEN you play.
Do you think teams practice on Christmas? Who cares if you play the 23rd vs. 26th vs. 27th? That doesn't mean you spend 3 more practices focusing on your bowl opponent. Bowl practices are to develop players, period. Not just game prep.
Teams who play later typically take more time off after their last game, and what playing later affords you the opportunity to do is even get MORE time for your younger players!
Since you apparently don't believe that developing the younger players is a focus of bowl practice, here is a link to a very typical article on the subject and some more quotes for you. You might want to read paragraph #2. So yes, BOWL PRACTICES ARE FOR DEVELOPING YOUNGER PLAYERS.
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sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=5921827
(on NOT making bowl) "Number one, it really hurts the development of your young players," said Rutgers coach Greg Schiano, whose Scarlet Knights finished 4-8 after playing in five straight bowl games in 2005-09. "You are looking at 10 to 15 practices that we miss out on."
It's probably no coincidence that all but 19 of the 70 FBS teams playing in bowl games in 2010 appeared in the postseason last year. Many coaches believe bowl practices are a spring board to next season, because they get to spend so much time developing younger players who don't get nearly as many reps during the regular season.
"It's kind of like the high school football playoffs, when the varsity teams get to bring up the freshmen and sophomores and see what they can do," said Toledo coach Tim Beckman, who guided the Rockets to their first bowl game since 2005, against Florida International in the Dec. 26 Little Caesar's Bowl in Detroit. "All these teams that are playing in bowl games seem to be the same ones every year."
Tennessee coach Derek Dooley said the additional practice time will be invaluable for his team's younger players. If the Volunteers hadn't won their final four games to finish 6-6, they'd be sitting at home instead of preparing to play North Carolina in the Dec. 30 Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl in Nashville.
The NCAA allows teams to have 15 additional practices before playing in a bowl game.
"It really benefits us because a lot of our young guys didn't start coming on until the fourth, fifth or sixth game," Dooley said. "A lot of these young guys didn't get the benefits of the first two weeks of training camp [in August] because they were just swimming. It's hard to stress bare-bone fundamentals when you're preparing for games during the season."
Interesting, so what's the priority? Developing the young guys or winning the bowl? Please, don't give me that shit that it's both. That's for coaches, not fans.
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Post by sdcoug on May 22, 2015 16:26:47 GMT -8
Our last regular season game was November 29th; the bowl game was the 23rd. You don't prepare every day for 1 team for a MONTH. You only get 15 days to practice no matter WHEN you play.
Do you think teams practice on Christmas? Who cares if you play the 23rd vs. 26th vs. 27th? That doesn't mean you spend 3 more practices focusing on your bowl opponent. Bowl practices are to develop players, period. Not just game prep.
Teams who play later typically take more time off after their last game, and what playing later affords you the opportunity to do is even get MORE time for your younger players!
Since you apparently don't believe that developing the younger players is a focus of bowl practice, here is a link to a very typical article on the subject and some more quotes for you. You might want to read paragraph #2. So yes, BOWL PRACTICES ARE FOR DEVELOPING YOUNGER PLAYERS.
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sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=5921827
(on NOT making bowl) "Number one, it really hurts the development of your young players," said Rutgers coach Greg Schiano, whose Scarlet Knights finished 4-8 after playing in five straight bowl games in 2005-09. "You are looking at 10 to 15 practices that we miss out on."
It's probably no coincidence that all but 19 of the 70 FBS teams playing in bowl games in 2010 appeared in the postseason last year. Many coaches believe bowl practices are a spring board to next season, because they get to spend so much time developing younger players who don't get nearly as many reps during the regular season.
"It's kind of like the high school football playoffs, when the varsity teams get to bring up the freshmen and sophomores and see what they can do," said Toledo coach Tim Beckman, who guided the Rockets to their first bowl game since 2005, against Florida International in the Dec. 26 Little Caesar's Bowl in Detroit. "All these teams that are playing in bowl games seem to be the same ones every year."
Tennessee coach Derek Dooley said the additional practice time will be invaluable for his team's younger players. If the Volunteers hadn't won their final four games to finish 6-6, they'd be sitting at home instead of preparing to play North Carolina in the Dec. 30 Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl in Nashville.
The NCAA allows teams to have 15 additional practices before playing in a bowl game.
"It really benefits us because a lot of our young guys didn't start coming on until the fourth, fifth or sixth game," Dooley said. "A lot of these young guys didn't get the benefits of the first two weeks of training camp [in August] because they were just swimming. It's hard to stress bare-bone fundamentals when you're preparing for games during the season."
Interesting, so what's the priority? Developing the young guys or winning the bowl? Please, don't give me that shit that it's both. That's for coaches, not fans. So once again you choose to ignore the fact most if not all coaches take the same philosophy as Rocky. Again, if you refuse to believe other coaches, which clearly has been posted for you to read, saying the same thing he says there's no helping you. You are stuck and stubborn.
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Post by azteca on May 22, 2015 16:27:03 GMT -8
What a fool. Yet another "Expert" whom probably never played college ball yet has all the answers.... Did you play college ball? Yes he did!
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Post by sdcoug on May 22, 2015 16:28:14 GMT -8
Didn't write it, but it's easy enough to comprehend.
You stated you don't believe most coaches don't do the same thing as Rocky despite several quotes and links to the contrary, so you're basically deciding to not believe anything that isn't your opinion. So you're not open to quotes specifically from college coaches who are saying the same thing as Rocky why would you even bother listening to people on this board, and therefore why even have a conversation about the subject? You're just going to default to your original beliefs & ignore what other coaches are saying, right?
This is the internet where I don't believe a lot of things so I don't care what YOU believe. Like I said, we only have a couple of weeks to practice for our kind of bowls, not three or fours weeks where there would be some "dead time" when young guys can have at it. No, the Internet has opinions. These are direct quotes you're choosing to igNore. That's on you.
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Post by aztecvatar on May 22, 2015 20:03:07 GMT -8
meh...at least we have, hands down, the #1 MBB coach in the conference...and arguably a Top 20 coach in the nation.
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Post by Spud on May 22, 2015 20:43:05 GMT -8
Pretty irrelevant to the conversation when SDSU is the second or third best job in the conference. Not every situation has equal advantages. Conference record is irrelevant to the discussion about ranking conference coaches? Ok. Lets see CTD build a defense and win with his own players. Oh and Calhoun...maybe someday his Cadets will beat Rocky's Aztecs. You act like we should be some powerhouse yet we haven't won this much for over a generation. Does Rocky have advantages that everyone since Coryell and Gilbert didn't have? Yes, there are no more power teams in the conference (byu, tcu, utah)...pretty easy to win when all the good teams have left and they filled the void with crap. OK, you can point to Boise as being good, I'll give you that one...
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:45:40 GMT -8
Conference record is irrelevant to the discussion about ranking conference coaches? Ok. Lets see CTD build a defense and win with his own players. Oh and Calhoun...maybe someday his Cadets will beat Rocky's Aztecs. You act like we should be some powerhouse yet we haven't won this much for over a generation. Does Rocky have advantages that everyone since Coryell and Gilbert didn't have? Yes, there are no more power teams in the conference (byu, tcu, utah)...pretty easy to win when all the good teams have left and they filled the void with crap. OK, you can point to Boise as being good, I'll give you that one... We played in a conference with TCU for about 5 years and Utah wasn't all that amazing until Urban came along. Are you seriously excusing all the suck since Gilbert but then acting like Rocky has accomplished zero here? Selective excuse making?
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