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Post by rebar619 on May 21, 2015 15:40:01 GMT -8
How many of those coaches have lost to Navy ON THEIR HOME FIELD? If you want to judge a coach on one game when you have probably some of the worst QB play and OC play calling in the country that's your call. All I know is I watched that same Navy team give tOSU and Notre Dame all they could handle last year. Basically the power schools had the depth and talent to finally beat them in the 4th. And we were a chip shot away from winning. Doesn't change the fact Calhoun can't beat Rocky but is somehow a better coach BTW. Losing is a symptom of a disease. The disease is a culture of acceptance of losses like the one to Navy. There are no excuses. None.
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Post by HighNTight on May 21, 2015 15:53:12 GMT -8
Let's be serious ... this ranking is pretty useless.
3. Tim Deyruter - Fresno St (takes into account his total time at Fresno St. not just last season) 4. Troy Calhoun - Air Force (ranking based on a turn around season in 2014, but ignores 2013 results) 5. Craig Bohl - Wyoming (based solely on his FCS record and not his D1 results) 6. Rocky Long - San Diego St (based on his winning 6-9 games a year consistently)
You could basically interchange #s 3-6 and they really should just be tied ...
#7 Mike Bobo (CSU) has not even coached a snap in the MWC and is this will be his 1st HC position
Polian at #8 when Deyruter is at #3 makes no sense unless you are basing this ranking on W/L in 2014 but if that is the case then why is Bohl ranked #5?
no, this ranking is bunk
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 17:24:21 GMT -8
If you want to judge a coach on one game when you have probably some of the worst QB play and OC play calling in the country that's your call. All I know is I watched that same Navy team give tOSU and Notre Dame all they could handle last year. Basically the power schools had the depth and talent to finally beat them in the 4th. And we were a chip shot away from winning. Doesn't change the fact Calhoun can't beat Rocky but is somehow a better coach BTW. Losing is a symptom of a disease. The disease is a culture of acceptance of losses like the one to Navy. There are no excuses. None. Nonsense, we lost a close game on a field goal because our offense was garbage. If losing is a disease than most seasons 100% of schools suffer from it. This is what is most silly about AM, comments like this...its like some people here just starting watching Aztec football in 2010 and have zero nuance to their analysis of the FB team.
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Post by ron on May 21, 2015 17:26:57 GMT -8
If you want to judge a coach on one game when you have probably some of the worst QB play and OC play calling in the country that's your call. All I know is I watched that same Navy team give tOSU and Notre Dame all they could handle last year. Basically the power schools had the depth and talent to finally beat them in the 4th. And we were a chip shot away from winning. Doesn't change the fact Calhoun can't beat Rocky but is somehow a better coach BTW. Losing is a symptom of a disease. The disease is a culture of acceptance of losses like the one to Navy. There are no excuses. None. So, let me get this straight. We lost a bowl game to Navy, which apparently means everyone who thinks Long is better than the 6th ranked coach has accepted said loss. Therefore, we are suffering from a cultural disease. Wow. Talked yourself into that one didn't you?
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 21, 2015 18:09:23 GMT -8
Let's be serious ... this ranking is pretty useless. 3. Tim Deyruter - Fresno St (takes into account his total time at Fresno St. not just last season) 4. Troy Calhoun - Air Force (ranking based on a turn around season in 2014, but ignores 2013 results) 5. Craig Bohl - Wyoming (based solely on his FCS record and not his D1 results) 6. Rocky Long - San Diego St (based on his winning 6-9 games a year consistently) You could basically interchange #s 3-6 and they really should just be tied ... #7 Mike Bobo (CSU) has not even coached a snap in the MWC and is this will be his 1st HC position Polian at #8 when Deyruter is at #3 makes no sense unless you are basing this ranking on W/L in 2014 but if that is the case then why is Bohl ranked #5? no, this ranking is bunk Polian is an assclown. Only the incompetence of the guys below him allows him to rank #8. One more crappy year by Wyoming and nobody will any longer give him credit for what he did at North Dakota State. So as to the Rock, since he's definitely not the equal of Harsin, Wells or DeRuyter (the latter of whom he can't manage to beat) I'd put him in a tie for fourth with TC. And I'll add this. No way should either USU or Fresno have a better coach than we have. That's totally unacceptable if SDSU expects to have any chance for a conference promo.
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Post by HighNTight on May 21, 2015 18:27:07 GMT -8
Let's be serious ... this ranking is pretty useless. 3. Tim Deyruter - Fresno St (takes into account his total time at Fresno St. not just last season) 4. Troy Calhoun - Air Force (ranking based on a turn around season in 2014, but ignores 2013 results) 5. Craig Bohl - Wyoming (based solely on his FCS record and not his D1 results) 6. Rocky Long - San Diego St (based on his winning 6-9 games a year consistently) You could basically interchange #s 3-6 and they really should just be tied ... #7 Mike Bobo (CSU) has not even coached a snap in the MWC and is this will be his 1st HC position Polian at #8 when Deyruter is at #3 makes no sense unless you are basing this ranking on W/L in 2014 but if that is the case then why is Bohl ranked #5? no, this ranking is bunk Polian is an assclown. Only the incompetence of the guys below him allows him to rank #8. One more crappy year by Wyoming and nobody will any longer give him credit for what he did at North Dakota State. So as to the Rock, since he's definitely not the equal of Harsin, Wells or DeRuyter (the latter of whom he can't manage to beat) I'd put him in a tie for fourth with TC. And I'll add this. No way should either USU or Fresno have a better coach than we have. That's totally unacceptable if SDSU expects to have any chance for a conference promo. I'll push back and say that Deyruter, Long and Calhoun should be tied ...
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Post by retiredaztec on May 21, 2015 19:11:44 GMT -8
Let's be serious ... this ranking is pretty useless. 3. Tim Deyruter - Fresno St (takes into account his total time at Fresno St. not just last season) 4. Troy Calhoun - Air Force (ranking based on a turn around season in 2014, but ignores 2013 results) 5. Craig Bohl - Wyoming (based solely on his FCS record and not his D1 results) 6. Rocky Long - San Diego St (based on his winning 6-9 games a year consistently) You could basically interchange #s 3-6 and they really should just be tied ... #7 Mike Bobo (CSU) has not even coached a snap in the MWC and is this will be his 1st HC position Polian at #8 when Deyruter is at #3 makes no sense unless you are basing this ranking on W/L in 2014 but if that is the case then why is Bohl ranked #5? no, this ranking is bunk Kinda like the conference, n'cest pas? Let's see now, Long's conference record is 22-9, non-conference record is 10-11, (we could break that down but that would be even more depressing), four trips to a toilet bowl resulting in a 1-3 record and this crap is what's going to win the hearts and minds of San Diegans when the Chargers leave, right? This crap is going to secure money and support for a new football stadium for the Aztecs, right? Long's hire was from the beginning the very definition of insanity according to Einstein. His record at State given what he had to work with compared to UNM has pretty much netted the same results. And now we got rocket scientists itching for the Chargers to leave so the Aztecs can get all these goodies. Most of the time, I find it funny. Sometimes, well.....
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Post by kozy on May 21, 2015 19:17:53 GMT -8
Rocky's record is .500. We will be one game above .500 this year. Rocky's has always been happy with that. Fans are not.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 19:42:42 GMT -8
If you want to judge a coach on one game when you have probably some of the worst QB play and OC play calling in the country that's your call. All I know is I watched that same Navy team give tOSU and Notre Dame all they could handle last year. Basically the power schools had the depth and talent to finally beat them in the 4th. And we were a chip shot away from winning. Doesn't change the fact Calhoun can't beat Rocky but is somehow a better coach BTW. Losing is a symptom of a disease. The disease is a culture of acceptance of losses like the one to Navy. There are no excuses. None. you don't want the truth. you can't handle the truth. cracks me up.
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Post by rebar619 on May 21, 2015 21:21:30 GMT -8
If you want to judge a coach on one game when you have probably some of the worst QB play and OC play calling in the country that's your call. All I know is I watched that same Navy team give tOSU and Notre Dame all they could handle last year. Basically the power schools had the depth and talent to finally beat them in the 4th. And we were a chip shot away from winning. Doesn't change the fact Calhoun can't beat Rocky but is somehow a better coach BTW. Losing is a symptom of a disease. The disease is a culture of acceptance of losses like the one to Navy. There are no excuses. None. If you really think this comment is about the Navy game alone then you are missing the point. Then again some will give Rocky any excuse. I love the man, but I don't. Dare I bring up EIU? How about that choke job against NCU? BSU choke job? Shall I go on?
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Post by retiredaztec on May 22, 2015 6:21:42 GMT -8
Let's be serious ... this ranking is pretty useless. 3. Tim Deyruter - Fresno St (takes into account his total time at Fresno St. not just last season) 4. Troy Calhoun - Air Force (ranking based on a turn around season in 2014, but ignores 2013 results) 5. Craig Bohl - Wyoming (based solely on his FCS record and not his D1 results) 6. Rocky Long - San Diego St (based on his winning 6-9 games a year consistently) You could basically interchange #s 3-6 and they really should just be tied ... #7 Mike Bobo (CSU) has not even coached a snap in the MWC and is this will be his 1st HC position Polian at #8 when Deyruter is at #3 makes no sense unless you are basing this ranking on W/L in 2014 but if that is the case then why is Bohl ranked #5? no, this ranking is bunk Kinda like the conference, n'cest pas? Let's see now, Long's conference record is 22-9, non-conference record is 10-11, (we could break that down but that would be even more depressing), four trips to a toilet bowl resulting in a 1-3 record and this crap is what's going to win the hearts and minds of San Diegans when the Chargers leave, right? This crap is going to secure money and support for a new football stadium for the Aztecs, right? Long's hire was from the beginning the very definition of insanity according to Einstein. His record at State given what he had to work with compared to UNM has pretty much netted the same results. And now we got rocket scientists itching for the Chargers to leave so the Aztecs can get all these goodies. Most of the time, I find it funny. Sometimes, well.....
Doing my best thinking at the gym or on the throne, I realized I'd been too hard on R Long. He's just the latest in a long line of head coaches that have had little to moderate success, covering decades. Over this same time period, this has worked pretty well for the indifferent, easily amused or apologists, but now with the possible departure of the Chargers the Aztecs will be on their own with no coat tail to hold on to.
As I previously posted, State has little, if any, leverage when it comes to drawing their line in the sand. A lease? If the city comes up with a reasonable, if not lucrative, opportunity to turn this land over to speculators and developers, Aztec football will be tossed like yesterday's garbage with little recourse but to take what the city offers them to go away. It just wouldn't be worth it otherwise to just appease some 30-35,000 fans.
But all is not lost. If anyone in that administration finds a brain, there could be ways to energize the program and make it relevant. The Big-12 is oozing with fresh meat that I'm sure would love to cut their teeth as Aztec football's next HC. Two programs, TCU and Baylor, come to mind that could be "mined" for viable candidates. In other words, WORK TO PUT BUTTS IN SEATS and
save the program.
Otherwise, the Aztecs will wish they were going with the Chargers, and on Saturday nights after tailgating with friends, I'll be at the Sports Arena in time for face off.
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Post by rebar619 on May 22, 2015 7:54:28 GMT -8
Losing is a symptom of a disease. The disease is a culture of acceptance of losses like the one to Navy. There are no excuses. None. you don't want the truth. you can't handle the truth. cracks me up. Provide one piece of evidence that would suggest that we will get any other result than what we have been getting. To put it another way, what can you point to that would provide any hope that Rocky Long will transform into Chris Petersen? The fact that you and others seem complacent in your attitude towards the state of our FB program tells me that you in fact are the one that cant face the truth.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 8:03:52 GMT -8
you don't want the truth. you can't handle the truth. cracks me up. Provide one piece of evidence that would suggest that we will get any other result than what we have been getting. To put it another way, what can you point to that would provide any hope that Rocky Long will transform into Chris Petersen? The fact that you and others seem complacent in your attitude towards the state of our FB program tells me that you in fact are the one that cant face the truth. On some level I understand the fear and frustration regarding the last 2 seasons. But when you look at the difference between 7/8 wins (win totals form last 2 years) and 9/10 or even 11 wins during the 13/14 seasons, it can easily be boiled down to QB play and OC play calling. With a new OC and QB coach as well as better talent at the QB position I will withold more critical judgement of RL and his new offensive coaching lineup until after the 2015 season. I do believe that if RL can't win 9 or 10 plus this season it's time for us to look to the future and replace him however.
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Post by sdcoug on May 22, 2015 9:03:45 GMT -8
This is weakly written. You could make a case for the success of Harsin at BSU and Wells at Utah State, but their body of work is short. What makes no sense is rating Calhoun at AF and the second year coach Bohl at Wyoming ahead of Rocky. That is plain trash analysis. Calhoun has not beaten us during Rocky's tenure as I recall. And, DeRuyter at FSU is among the "elite" of non-P5 coaches? That is a stretch beyond reasonable. Add that Polian at Nevada is rated next to last. He's better than that. Have all these coaches combined won as many MWC games as Rocky? How many of those coaches have lost to Navy ON THEIR HOME FIELD? Is that how you define using logic? That's scary.
Harsin lost to AF on his home field - guess he should move down to 4th or 5th. Wells lost at Arkansas St - yes, the same Arkansas St. team that was 7-6 out of the powerful Sun Belt, and gave up 60+ to Toledo. Plus, the only bowls he's coached in are the Poinsettia & New Mex, which by your definition is a failure. So now you have to move him down. Calhoun - seriously? The same Calhoun who's 34-30 for his career in conference at AF & who went 0-8 in 2013? Yea, that makes sense. He wouldn't be coaching this year had he done that at SDSU. Bohl? Really? 2-6 as a MW coach, and the same guy who lost to SJSU at HOME! Yes, friggin 3-9 SJSU and AT HOME! But hey, at least he beat a 3-9 Florida Atlantic team at home! Maybe that's why he's rated so high (#justified).
I think DeRuyter's a good coach, but they got CRUSHED by Wyoming AT HOME, and you don't think his success at FSU is directly linked to Carr? A QB he INHERITED, and didn't recruit? Let's see how he does without him. Most pick them to slide, but he has done a good job of recruiting high risk kids (& those booted from other programs).
You can make a case for many MW coaches to fall 1-5, including Rocky in each of those spots. You can tear apart virtually every coach, especially at the MW level.
If you could get past your personal bias you might actually see that. Or at least use actual logic instead of "lost to Navy on their home field". Every coach has a few bad losses.
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Post by vision on May 22, 2015 10:02:53 GMT -8
Why is Hawaii the hardest job in college football? Because it's on an island
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 10:04:45 GMT -8
you don't want the truth. you can't handle the truth. cracks me up. Provide one piece of evidence that would suggest that we will get any other result than what we have been getting. To put it another way, what can you point to that would provide any hope that Rocky Long will transform into Chris Petersen? The fact that you and others seem complacent in your attitude towards the state of our FB program tells me that you in fact are the one that cant face the truth. The fact that you think you can predict the future with such smugness and arrongance is both sad and comical. You can have your opinion of RL but your delivery is what cracks me up. Like you and only those who agree with you know the truth and the rest are just fools. You have no damn idea what will happen in the future and neither do I... that is the only truth you should be concerned with. Calling people losers on a message board? (or anywhere for that matter)... and your qualifications for that are?
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Post by rebar619 on May 22, 2015 10:17:25 GMT -8
How many of those coaches have lost to Navy ON THEIR HOME FIELD? Is that how you define using logic? That's scary.
Harsin lost to AF on his home field - guess he should move down to 4th or 5th. Wells lost at Arkansas St - yes, the same Arkansas St. team that was 7-6 out of the powerful Sun Belt, and gave up 60+ to Toledo. Plus, the only bowls he's coached in are the Poinsettia & New Mex, which by your definition is a failure. So now you have to move him down. Calhoun - seriously? The same Calhoun who's 34-30 for his career in conference at AF & who went 0-8 in 2013? Yea, that makes sense. He wouldn't be coaching this year had he done that at SDSU. Bohl? Really? 2-6 as a MW coach, and the same guy who lost to SJSU at HOME! Yes, friggin 3-9 SJSU and AT HOME! But hey, at least he beat a 3-9 Florida Atlantic team at home! Maybe that's why he's rated so high (#justified).
I think DeRuyter's a good coach, but they got CRUSHED by Wyoming AT HOME, and you don't think his success at FSU is directly linked to Carr? A QB he INHERITED, and didn't recruit? Let's see how he does without him. Most pick them to slide, but he has done a good job of recruiting high risk kids (& those booted from other programs).
You can make a case for many MW coaches to fall 1-5, including Rocky in each of those spots. You can tear apart virtually every coach, especially at the MW level.
If you could get past your personal bias you might actually see that. Or at least use actual logic instead of "lost to Navy on their home field". Every coach has a few bad losses.
You can excuse a few bad losses when you win the MWC and beat a P5 team - in a bowl game no less. I point to the Navy game specifically because it was a horrible loss that did not have to happen. Rocky was interviewed prior to the game and was quoted as saying that he did not spend much time preparing for the game, rather he used over half of the practice time available to get younger players reps to prepare for this season. The announcers were shocked by his response and that was not the path Navy took. Putting forward half-assed prep time for a bowl game in your hometown is an insult to the alumni and fans. It killed any momentum in fan support that was carried through the woeful results of last season. You and others may be happy with one shared conference title (and subsequent ass kicking by BYU at home) in the past 4 years, but I am not. One thing I have to reiterate because you have chosen to ignore it. I like Rocky Long. I think he is a good coach that loves football and his players. I would love to see him succeed beyond measure. What I would like to see and what I can rationally expect are two different things. If you want to talk about bias, then judge mine on those terms. Here is the deal. The rankings in the original post were valid. Rocky for all of his strong points has a long and proven track record that says we should expect to get what we have been getting.
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Post by rebar619 on May 22, 2015 10:29:12 GMT -8
Provide one piece of evidence that would suggest that we will get any other result than what we have been getting. To put it another way, what can you point to that would provide any hope that Rocky Long will transform into Chris Petersen? The fact that you and others seem complacent in your attitude towards the state of our FB program tells me that you in fact are the one that cant face the truth. The fact that you think you can predict the future with such smugness and arrongance is both sad and comical. You can have your opinion of RL but your delivery is what cracks me up. Like you and only those who agree with you know the truth and the rest are just fools. You have no damn idea what will happen in the future and neither do I... that is the only truth you should be concerned with. Calling people losers on a message board? (or anywhere for that matter)... and your qualifications for that are? Bro, there is a vast difference between calling someone a loser and saying they are complacent. I did not call anyone a loser. Don't put words into my mouth. Personal attacks while hiding behind a keyboard are childish and do not further the conversation. What I put on here I would have no problem saying to someone in person. So let me ask you then, are you pleased with the state of SDSU FB and with our results over the past four years? You misread my disappointment for the state of our program for smugness and arrogance. You say that I am predicting the future? I am simply looking at the past and the results it shows us. That is the only truth we have to look at. If you are looking at something else that would give me more hope then by all means bring it up. I would love to have my mind changed on this matter.
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Post by vision on May 22, 2015 10:52:30 GMT -8
I am curious if he would EVER get upgraded. Let's say the Aztecs win 10 next year. I bet he still gets middle of the pack honors. BIAST
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 10:57:13 GMT -8
Is that how you define using logic? That's scary.
Harsin lost to AF on his home field - guess he should move down to 4th or 5th. Wells lost at Arkansas St - yes, the same Arkansas St. team that was 7-6 out of the powerful Sun Belt, and gave up 60+ to Toledo. Plus, the only bowls he's coached in are the Poinsettia & New Mex, which by your definition is a failure. So now you have to move him down. Calhoun - seriously? The same Calhoun who's 34-30 for his career in conference at AF & who went 0-8 in 2013? Yea, that makes sense. He wouldn't be coaching this year had he done that at SDSU. Bohl? Really? 2-6 as a MW coach, and the same guy who lost to SJSU at HOME! Yes, friggin 3-9 SJSU and AT HOME! But hey, at least he beat a 3-9 Florida Atlantic team at home! Maybe that's why he's rated so high (#justified).
I think DeRuyter's a good coach, but they got CRUSHED by Wyoming AT HOME, and you don't think his success at FSU is directly linked to Carr? A QB he INHERITED, and didn't recruit? Let's see how he does without him. Most pick them to slide, but he has done a good job of recruiting high risk kids (& those booted from other programs).
You can make a case for many MW coaches to fall 1-5, including Rocky in each of those spots. You can tear apart virtually every coach, especially at the MW level.
If you could get past your personal bias you might actually see that. Or at least use actual logic instead of "lost to Navy on their home field". Every coach has a few bad losses.
You can excuse a few bad losses when you win the MWC and beat a P5 team - in a bowl game no less. I point to the Navy game specifically because it was a horrible loss that did not have to happen. Rocky was interviewed prior to the game and was quoted as saying that he did not spend much time preparing for the game, rather he used over half of the practice time available to get younger players reps to prepare for this season. The announcers were shocked by his response and that was not the path Navy took. Putting forward half-assed prep time for a bowl game in your hometown is an insult to the alumni and fans. It killed any momentum in fan support that was carried through the woeful results of last season. You and others may be happy with one shared conference title (and subsequent ass kicking by BYU at home) in the past 4 years, but I am not. One thing I have to reiterate because you have chosen to ignore it. I like Rocky Long. I think he is a good coach that loves football and his players. I would love to see him succeed beyond measure. What I would like to see and what I can rationally expect are two different things. If you want to talk about bias, then judge mine on those terms. Here is the deal. The rankings in the original post were valid. Rocky for all of his strong points has a long and proven track record that says we should expect to get what we have been getting. I don't know man...maybe he did indicate underclassman would get more reps thanks to bowl practices. But my impression of him in this interview is he highly respected what Navy was capable of. And as we all saw the D performed well enough to give us an opportunity to win...Old Bobby boy and his O though?...
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