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Post by originalshow00 on May 26, 2015 22:13:17 GMT -8
They did not factor in we have two head coaches basically Hauck and Long.Where does that put us in these rankings.
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 6:35:17 GMT -8
They did not factor in we have two head coaches basically Hauck and Long.Where does that put us in these rankings. I don't know, but when you mix a mediocre coach with a disappointment coach, does that equal "improvement"? Or an accretion in mediocrity? Or...?
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Post by AccessBowlTime on May 27, 2015 9:13:51 GMT -8
I think what gets lost in the discussion about our on-field success is how the "fans" view that success. Sure we may have high winning percentages, but even the casual football fan will see that we're beating (and sometimes just barely), terrible teams. That's not the kind of winning that brings out fans, much less casual observers. Our game time attendance (and not the bull$#!+ tickets sold/distributed attendance) shows that San Diegan's aren't interested in a team that constantly struggles against +500 teams, and even has a hard time beating sub 500 teams. We even blew our chance to beat a byu team when they were really in a down year. You can blame the stadium, lack of marketing, or whatever, but excitement is what brings fans out in San Diego and Aztec football has been lacking excitement. Maybe we were a quarterback away from winning some games, but who's fault is that? Certainly not the fans or those on this board. Well put. And anybody who thinks the B12 isn't aware of the fact that although we're in a large media market attendance is poor is fooling himself. As to AAU membership, Nebraska is the only non-AAU member of the B1G but was a member of the AAU at the time the school was admitted to that conference.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 9:23:43 GMT -8
I think what gets lost in the discussion about our on-field success is how the "fans" view that success. Sure we may have high winning percentages, but even the casual football fan will see that we're beating (and sometimes just barely), terrible teams. That's not the kind of winning that brings out fans, much less casual observers. Our game time attendance (and not the bull$#!+ tickets sold/distributed attendance) shows that San Diegan's aren't interested in a team that constantly struggles against +500 teams, and even has a hard time beating sub 500 teams. We even blew our chance to beat a byu team when they were really in a down year. You can blame the stadium, lack of marketing, or whatever, but excitement is what brings fans out in San Diego and Aztec football has been lacking excitement. Maybe we were a quarterback away from winning some games, but who's fault is that? Certainly not the fans or those on this board. Well put. And anybody who thinks the B12 isn't aware of the fact that although we're in a large media market attendance is poor is fooling himself. As to AAU membership, Nebraska is the only non-AAU member of the B1G but was a member of the AAU at the time the school was admitted to that conference. What is your understanding of poor attendance? For example how do we compare on average to other G5 schools? Additionally do you think the B12 leadership would not understand the immediate spike in attendance that would result from SDSU's involvement with a premier conference and top level home games? One more thing. B10 leadership knew Nebraska was no longer going to be an AAU member when they were admitted. AAU membership won't matter much anymore to the B12 who only has 2 AAU members currently(I think). Think of it another way. What other program could as easily go from 30k a game to 50k simply by changing their schedule? I would say there are maybe 4 or 5 G5 schools in that group and we are a top one along with probably Houston (who unfortunately is a last option for the B12), maybe UCF and USF? Who else? There is a reason we are called the sleeping giant...
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 9:34:03 GMT -8
Well put. And anybody who thinks the B12 isn't aware of the fact that although we're in a large media market attendance is poor is fooling himself. As to AAU membership, Nebraska is the only non-AAU member of the B1G but was a member of the AAU at the time the school was admitted to that conference. What is your understanding of poor attendance? For example how do we compare on average to other G5 schools? Additionally do you think the B12 leadership would not understand the immediate spike in attendance that would result from SDSU's involvement with a premier conference and top level home games? One more thing. B10 leadership knew Nebraska was no longer going to be an AAU member when they were admitted. AAU membership won't matter much anymore to the B12 who only has 2 AAU members currently(I think). Think of it another way. What other program could as easily go from 30k a game to 50k simply by changing their schedule? I would say there are maybe 4 or 5 G5 schools in that group and we are a top one along with probably Houston (who unfortunately is a last option for the B12), maybe UCF and USF? Who else? There is a reason we are called the sleeping giant... The term "sleeping giant", is more derision, than compliment. I have trouble understanding anyone's confusion about "poor" attendance. When the sleeping giant has nearly 3.5 million in it's "backyard" and 200,000 or 300,000 alumni, and it consistently draws about 22,000 in-seat attendees, that is the very definition of "poor" attendance.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 9:37:12 GMT -8
What is your understanding of poor attendance? For example how do we compare on average to other G5 schools? Additionally do you think the B12 leadership would not understand the immediate spike in attendance that would result from SDSU's involvement with a premier conference and top level home games? One more thing. B10 leadership knew Nebraska was no longer going to be an AAU member when they were admitted. AAU membership won't matter much anymore to the B12 who only has 2 AAU members currently(I think). Think of it another way. What other program could as easily go from 30k a game to 50k simply by changing their schedule? I would say there are maybe 4 or 5 G5 schools in that group and we are a top one along with probably Houston (who unfortunately is a last option for the B12), maybe UCF and USF? Who else? There is a reason we are called the sleeping giant... The term "sleeping giant", is more derision, than compliment. I have trouble understanding anyone's confusion about "poor" attendance. When the sleeping giant has nearly 3.5 million in it's "backyard" and 200,000 or 300,000 alumni, and it consistently draws about 22,000 in-seat attendees, that is the very definition of "poor" attendance. The conversation is for adults. Do your research or stick to your thesaurus.
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 9:39:49 GMT -8
The term "sleeping giant", is more derision, than compliment. I have trouble understanding anyone's confusion about "poor" attendance. When the sleeping giant has nearly 3.5 million in it's "backyard" and 200,000 or 300,000 alumni, and it consistently draws about 22,000 in-seat attendees, that is the very definition of "poor" attendance. The conversation is for adults. Do your research or stick to your thesaurus. So, then you did NOT go to college? Not that anything's wrong with that, but it does enlighten.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 9:47:41 GMT -8
The conversation is for adults. Do your research or stick to your thesaurus. So, then you did NOT go to college? Not that anything's wrong with that, but it does enlighten. Is that it? How immature for someone so advanced in age.
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 9:48:38 GMT -8
So, then you did NOT go to college? Not that anything's wrong with that, but it does enlighten. Is that it? How immature for someone so advanced in age. Ok, thank you.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 9:53:04 GMT -8
Is that it? How immature for someone so advanced in age. Ok, thank you. Yes, thank you for pretending to be a fan of the school I graduated from and was a student athlete at. Your behavior here during my time on the board has shown just how deranged a generation of losing can make some fans.
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Post by rebar619 on May 27, 2015 9:54:22 GMT -8
The term "sleeping giant", is more derision, than compliment. I have trouble understanding anyone's confusion about "poor" attendance. When the sleeping giant has nearly 3.5 million in it's "backyard" and 200,000 or 300,000 alumni, and it consistently draws about 22,000 in-seat attendees, that is the very definition of "poor" attendance. The conversation is for adults. Do your research or stick to your thesaurus. So you answer a valid point with a personal attack. Classy. There is a lot of truth to the fact that our attendance does not reflect the alumni base or the population of San Diego. This comes full circle to the performance on the field and the coach responsible for it.
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Post by HighNTight on May 27, 2015 10:00:48 GMT -8
The conversation is for adults. Do your research or stick to your thesaurus. So you answer a valid point with a personal attack. Classy. There is a lot of truth to the fact that our attendance does not reflect the alumni base or the population of San Diego. This comes full circle to the performance on the field and the coach responsible for it. Is this really a thing? In the same city, the Chargers have trouble with attendance at the same stadium - remember ticket guarantees and blackouts? This attendance criterion is a bit baffling.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 10:02:17 GMT -8
The conversation is for adults. Do your research or stick to your thesaurus. So you answer a valid point with a personal attack. Classy. There is a lot of truth to the fact that our attendance does not reflect the alumni base or the population of San Diego. This comes full circle to the performance on the field and the coach responsible for it. More nonsense. Tell me, what of Houston's attendance? If you guys can't look at the data and immediately tell that unless you are BYU (A religious school with a free foating home schedule) attendance is critically connected to conference affiliation then you are hopeless. We could win the MW and go to a NY6 bowl and still only average in the 40's... www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24891415/college-football-attendance-home-crowds-drop-to-lowest-in-14-years
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 10:08:59 GMT -8
So you answer a valid point with a personal attack. Classy. There is a lot of truth to the fact that our attendance does not reflect the alumni base or the population of San Diego. This comes full circle to the performance on the field and the coach responsible for it. More nonsense. Tell me, what of Houston's attendance? If you guys can't look at the data and immediately tell that unless you are BYU (A religious school with a free foating home schedule) attendance is critically connected to conference affiliation then you are hopeless. We could win the MW and go to a NY6 bowl and still only average in the 40's... www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/24891415/college-football-attendance-home-crowds-drop-to-lowest-in-14-yearsIf Houston has an average attendance of less than 30,000, then it's "poor", yes.
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Post by rebar619 on May 27, 2015 10:16:02 GMT -8
So you answer a valid point with a personal attack. Classy. There is a lot of truth to the fact that our attendance does not reflect the alumni base or the population of San Diego. This comes full circle to the performance on the field and the coach responsible for it. Is this really a thing? In the same city, the Chargers have trouble with attendance at the same stadium - remember ticket guarantees and blackouts? This attendance criterion is a bit baffling. Somehow we got off topic from the coaches ranking in the MWC to conference expansion. The nexus of the two in my opinion is that the only way SDSU gets called up is if it adds $ to the conference we are going to. The only way you can justify more $ is to back it up with eyeballs - TV and in person. The argument can be made that TV is more important, but I digress. Either way, the only way to maximize the eyeballs is to put a good product on the field. With that in mind, where would you rank Rocky against the other coaches in the MWC? I think the "analysis" if you can call it that was about right regarding Rocky.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 10:16:53 GMT -8
If Houston has an average attendance of less than 30,000, then it's "poor", yes. You think you're pretty smart...so prove it. Name the only 2 G5 schools averaging 40k in attendance or more... and then think again about how and what you compare...for example do you routinely compare triple AAA baseball attendance to Major Leagues? The best part is the ones who seem to can't get excited in the slightest for their own football team also somehow think we should have more attendance...amazing.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 10:19:12 GMT -8
Is this really a thing? In the same city, the Chargers have trouble with attendance at the same stadium - remember ticket guarantees and blackouts? This attendance criterion is a bit baffling. Somehow we got off topic from the coaches ranking in the MWC to conference expansion. The nexus of the two in my opinion is that the only way SDSU gets called up is if it adds $ to the conference we are going to. The only way you can justify more $ is to back it up with eyeballs - TV and in person. The argument can be made that TV is more important, but I digress. Either way, the only way to maximize the eyeballs is to put a good product on the field. With that in mind, where would you rank Rocky against the other coaches in the MWC? I think the "analysis" if you can call it that was about right regarding Rocky. It's all tv...although I would say that the more eyeballs you have watching you on tv the more in person attendance you are likely to have...so they are certainly interrelated, but tv is the most important as it is the main driver of the revenue that ends up being the deciding factor in who does/doesn't get added.
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Post by HighNTight on May 27, 2015 10:22:32 GMT -8
Is this really a thing? In the same city, the Chargers have trouble with attendance at the same stadium - remember ticket guarantees and blackouts? This attendance criterion is a bit baffling. Somehow we got off topic from the coaches ranking in the MWC to conference expansion. The nexus of the two in my opinion is that the only way SDSU gets called up is if it adds $ to the conference we are going to. The only way you can justify more $ is to back it up with eyeballs - TV and in person. The argument can be made that TV is more important, but I digress. Either way, the only way to maximize the eyeballs is to put a good product on the field. With that in mind, where would you rank Rocky against the other coaches in the MWC? I think the "analysis" if you can call it that was about right regarding Rocky. aztecmesa.proboards.com/post/807797/thread
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Post by myownwords on May 27, 2015 10:24:53 GMT -8
If Houston has an average attendance of less than 30,000, then it's "poor", yes. You think you're pretty smart...so prove it. Name the only 2 G5 schools averaging 40k in attendance or more... and then think again about how and what you compare...for example do you routinely compare triple AAA baseball attendance to Major Leagues? The best part is the ones who seem to can't get excited in the slightest for their own football team also somehow think we should have more attendance...amazing. This is not an "exercise". The question was about "poor" attendance. I stated an opinion on that about Houston. None of your paroxysms about that can change my opinion. Other schools, perhaps many, have poor attendance. Why does that apparently frustrate you?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 10:34:51 GMT -8
You think you're pretty smart...so prove it. Name the only 2 G5 schools averaging 40k in attendance or more... and then think again about how and what you compare...for example do you routinely compare triple AAA baseball attendance to Major Leagues? The best part is the ones who seem to can't get excited in the slightest for their own football team also somehow think we should have more attendance...amazing. This is not an "exercise". The question was about "poor" attendance. I stated an opinion on that about Houston. None of your paroxysms about that can change my opinion. Other schools, perhaps many, have poor attendance. Why does that apparently frustrate you? lol, you think I want to change your opinion? You're a troll. Our conversation is for those who still have the ability to learn and are free from the emotional baggage you are obviously carrying.
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