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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 2, 2015 9:28:29 GMT -8
SDSU is also the only team (except for SJSU) where the real estate is ultra expensive. if you wanna build a stadium in Wyoming it cost about $40k. In San Diego it will cost $500k+++ up to $2Billion. SDSU is fine with what they have. LETS FILL UP THE Q!!!!!!!! We HAVE done it before. Win and we they will come. CASE IN POINT: every year at the SKY SHOW. SDSU is far from fine with what they have. I would describe it as barely adequate. Qualcomm Stadium is far from the ideal setting we would like for Aztec football, it is adequate for us to retain our Division I status and that's about it. The negative factors for SDSU: A. The seating size of the stadium (72,000) is too large for the Aztecs’ average crowd size and dampens the desired atmosphere for Aztecs games. Ideally, the Aztecs would welcome a football-only stadium, which seats 45,000. B. Because of the priorities enjoyed by the Chargers, the Aztecs are not able to personalize the field or sell significant stadium signage around the field. This equates to a significant lost revenue opportunity for the Aztecs. C. The Aztecs have no permanent locker room in the stadium, thus creating a sterile environment for the team on game days. D. The Aztecs have limited skybox availability in the stadium and are not able to sell suites to generate additional badly needed revenue. The current lease with the city allows SDSU to use certain skyboxes for entertainment purposes only. E. The main ticket office and box office for the Aztecs have no real presence at the stadium. F. There is no recruiting lounge to host prospective athletes and their families. G. There is no Aztec Club lounge area available to host Aztec Club donors and special events. If sharing a stadium with the Chargers is our only option (God I hope not!), the Pittsburgh model should be considered where both the University of Pittsburgh and the NFL Pittsburgh Steelers have been mutually accommodated in the same facility. However, SDSU must agressively advocate for its football program to include the following... A. The Aztecs need the ability to sell suites for home games and have access to better corporate box locations. B. The Aztecs need their own dedicated locker room. C. The Aztecs must be able to personalize the field for home games with appropriate Aztec colors, designs & signage that declares the field the “home of the Aztecs” for that evening. D. The Aztecs must be able to sell corporate signage around the stadium for its games. E. The box office location and space must be significantly enhanced. F. The Aztecs need storage areas for game day items. G. The stadium needs more and improved restrooms. H. A recruiting lounge must be included in the design. I. An Aztec Club lounge must be included in the design. Anything less than what is listed will be unacceptable. This is the best post on the question of a stadium for the Aztecs that I have read yet! You are 100% correct on all points. I am very much afraid that if a new stadium is built with the help of the city it will be a "Chargers" stadium pure and simple, and we will be allowed to play there only grudgingly. Those who continue to be unfazed by the possibility of playing in a new "Chargers" stadium need to think this through more clearly. The school HAS to commit to an Aztec stadium and do so publicly and quickly. I'm afraid that the administration is simply MIA in this discussion. If SDSU does not make some significant noise on this issue, we will be left with the crumbs. At best. AzWm
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 9:33:49 GMT -8
Not based on the conversations I've heard at the FAC What's FAC? Fowler Athletic Center...
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 2, 2015 9:34:09 GMT -8
I agree with you on Hawaii and SJSU. But, New Mexico's stadium is far superior than ours. I've been to the stadium, on the field, in the locker room, practice field and facilities. Theirs is far better than ours, and that is not even factoring in the fact that it is on campus and their locker room is for both their practice facility and for gameday. From the stands, you may not understand the significance of that, but it is a big one. www.instantactionsports.com/sportsbook/ncaa-football/images/New-Mexico-Stadium.jpgI have not been behind the scenes, but UNM stadium is barely ok, BSU sucks as does Reno, UNLV, Wyoming, CSU, Hawaii and SJSU. Q is not great and we could really use a new on campus stadium, but we are not disadvantaged vs the MWC. Maybe, maybe not. But I thought that our goal was to graduate into a P5 conference. (A long shot, I admit, but still a worthy goal.) If that is the case, the fact that "our" stadium isn't as bad as those of UNLV, BSU, etc. doesn't mean much. It's how our facilities stack up against those of even the lowliest P5 schools that matters. Our facilities for basketball, baseball, and softball are very nice. But football is the big deal, and SDSU suffers by comparison with nationally respected schools in that area. AzWm
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Post by uncledougy on Apr 2, 2015 9:35:39 GMT -8
Good point Vision, however not having an On Campus Stadium with all of the benefits that go with that scenario, continues to impact our chances to move to a Big 5 conference. Chargers need to "S..t" or get off the pot" before anything relating to a stadium for Aztec FB will take place. Does an on-campus stadium that seats 35-40k really impress a Big12? They are used to 85k+ stadiums aren't they?....and fill them to boot
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 9:41:00 GMT -8
Good point Vision, however not having an On Campus Stadium with all of the benefits that go with that scenario, continues to impact our chances to move to a Big 5 conference. Chargers need to "S..t" or get off the pot" before anything relating to a stadium for Aztec FB will take place. Does an on-campus stadium that seats 35-40k really impress a Big12? They are used to 85k+ stadiums aren't they?....and fill them to bootWow, you have no idea what you're talking about...that seems to happen a lot with those on here who keep shooting down SDSU doing it's own thing when discussing a FB stadium. Check how many B12 schools currently even have a stadium as big as our current one for your answer.
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Post by hoobs on Apr 2, 2015 9:50:43 GMT -8
Good point Vision, however not having an On Campus Stadium with all of the benefits that go with that scenario, continues to impact our chances to move to a Big 5 conference. Chargers need to "S..t" or get off the pot" before anything relating to a stadium for Aztec FB will take place. Does an on-campus stadium that seats 35-40k really impress a Big12? They are used to 85k+ stadiums aren't they?....and fill them to boot TCU, who is pretty much our best model/rival to emulate in wanting to be promoted to the Big 12, has a stadium that seats only 45,000. And they seem to be doing pretty okay. Sources: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amon_G._Carter_Stadiumwww.gofrogs.com/facilities/tcu-facilities-football.html
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Post by hoobs on Apr 2, 2015 9:51:25 GMT -8
Oh, and kudos to CSU... that's an excellent-looking stadium.
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Post by pbbroker on Apr 2, 2015 9:57:41 GMT -8
Once the Chargers leave to Los Angeles you can perhaps bring this up, but until then - THIS IS just stadium envy.
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Post by HighNTight on Apr 2, 2015 9:58:44 GMT -8
Maybe, maybe not. But I thought that our goal was to graduate into a P5 conference. (A long shot, I admit, but still a worthy goal.) If that is the case, the fact that "our" stadium isn't as bad as those of UNLV, BSU, etc. doesn't mean much. It's how our facilities stack up against those of even the lowliest P5 schools that matters. Our facilities for basketball, baseball, and softball are very nice. But football is the big deal, and SDSU suffers by comparison with nationally respected schools in that area. AzWm Perhaps one day, we will control our "ancient" 72K Qualcomm Stadium like USC does the 93K Coliseum and UCLA does the 92K Rose Bowl ... then we can start to make those incremental improvements that would make the Q an acceptable mess Coliseum: In July 2013, USC gained the master lease of the Coliseum, after the previously governing Coliseum Commission failed to deliver promised renovations. Part of the 98-year lease contract states that USC will provide $100 million in improvements in the first half of the contract, with $70 million of that coming in the first 10 years. Rose Bowl: In April 2009, The Rose Bowl Operating Company unveiled a Rose Bowl Strategic Plan, which addressed the objectives to improve public safety; enhance fan experience; maintain national historic landmark status; develop revenue sources to fund long-term improvements; and enhance facility operations. On October 11, 2010, the Pasadena City Council approved a $152 million financing plan for the major renovation of the stadium. Qualcomm Stadium: ?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 2, 2015 10:00:31 GMT -8
It's a minor point, but just for the record, SJSU's stadium is not on campus. It's only about a mile away, however. I think it's school-owned, and that gives the Spartans a big advantage despite the modest size and appearance of their stadium.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 2, 2015 10:03:48 GMT -8
Good point Vision, however not having an On Campus Stadium with all of the benefits that go with that scenario, continues to impact our chances to move to a Big 5 conference. Chargers need to "S..t" or get off the pot" before anything relating to a stadium for Aztec FB will take place. Does an on-campus stadium that seats 35-40k really impress a Big12? They are used to 85k+ stadiums aren't they?....and fill them to boot A 40,000 to 45,000 seat stadium designed to facilitate expansion to 50,000 or 60,000 would be quite adequate. Not all Big-12 stadiums seat 80,000. AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 2, 2015 10:07:32 GMT -8
I forgot one thing about Spartan Stadium. There is a nice grass area just east of the stadium for tailgating. I was there for the 2006 game (which we lost!); said grass area was very attractive.
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Post by ab on Apr 2, 2015 10:29:13 GMT -8
SDSU is also the only team (except for SJSU) where the real estate is ultra expensive. if you wanna build a stadium in Wyoming it cost about $40k. In San Diego it will cost $500k+++ up to $2Billion. SDSU is fine with what they have. LETS FILL UP THE Q!!!!!!!! We HAVE done it before. Win and we they will come. CASE IN POINT: every year at the SKY SHOW. SDSU is far from fine with what they have. I would describe it as barely adequate. Qualcomm Stadium is far from the ideal setting we would like for Aztec football, it is adequate for us to retain our Division I status and that's about it. The negative factors for SDSU: A. The seating size of the stadium (72,000) is too large for the Aztecs’ average crowd size and dampens the desired atmosphere for Aztecs games. Ideally, the Aztecs would welcome a football-only stadium, which seats 45,000. B. Because of the priorities enjoyed by the Chargers, the Aztecs are not able to personalize the field or sell significant stadium signage around the field. This equates to a significant lost revenue opportunity for the Aztecs. C. The Aztecs have no permanent locker room in the stadium, thus creating a sterile environment for the team on game days. D. The Aztecs have limited skybox availability in the stadium and are not able to sell suites to generate additional badly needed revenue. The current lease with the city allows SDSU to use certain skyboxes for entertainment purposes only. E. The main ticket office and box office for the Aztecs have no real presence at the stadium. F. There is no recruiting lounge to host prospective athletes and their families. G. There is no Aztec Club lounge area available to host Aztec Club donors and special events. If sharing a stadium with the Chargers is our only option (God I hope not!), the Pittsburgh model should be considered where both the University of Pittsburgh and the NFL Pittsburgh Steelers have been mutually accommodated in the same facility. However, SDSU must agressively advocate for its football program to include the following... A. The Aztecs need the ability to sell suites for home games and have access to better corporate box locations. B. The Aztecs need their own dedicated locker room. C. The Aztecs must be able to personalize the field for home games with appropriate Aztec colors, designs & signage that declares the field the “home of the Aztecs” for that evening. D. The Aztecs must be able to sell corporate signage around the stadium for its games. E. The box office location and space must be significantly enhanced. F. The Aztecs need storage areas for game day items. G. The stadium needs more and improved restrooms. H. A recruiting lounge must be included in the design. I. An Aztec Club lounge must be included in the design. Anything less than what is listed will be unacceptable. D - This isn't true. There are a substantial # of Suites that State can sell. They're only about $2k for 20 tickets or $100/head. Not much of a money maker and quite frankly most of them are not upgraded. Other than that, a nice list.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Apr 2, 2015 11:54:10 GMT -8
Good point Vision, however not having an On Campus Stadium with all of the benefits that go with that scenario, continues to impact our chances to move to a Big 5 conference. Chargers need to "S..t" or get off the pot" before anything relating to a stadium for Aztec FB will take place. Does an on-campus stadium that seats 35-40k really impress a Big12? They are used to 85k+ stadiums aren't they?....and fill them to boot Just an FYI... 5/10 schools in the BIG XII have a stadium capacity of approximately 55,000 seats or less. This includes Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State & TCU. 7/12 schools in the PAC 12 have a stadium capacity of approximately 55,000 seats or less. This includes Arizona, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah & Washington State. Not bad company to be in. If a stadium capacity of 55,000 or less is good enough for those schools then it is good enough for San Diego State.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 2, 2015 15:57:09 GMT -8
Maybe, maybe not. But I thought that our goal was to graduate into a P5 conference. (A long shot, I admit, but still a worthy goal.) If that is the case, the fact that "our" stadium isn't as bad as those of UNLV, BSU, etc. doesn't mean much. It's how our facilities stack up against those of even the lowliest P5 schools that matters. Our facilities for basketball, baseball, and softball are very nice. But football is the big deal, and SDSU suffers by comparison with nationally respected schools in that area. AzWm agreed
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 2, 2015 16:15:36 GMT -8
Does an on-campus stadium that seats 35-40k really impress a Big12? They are used to 85k+ stadiums aren't they?....and fill them to boot Just an FYI... 5/10 schools in the BIG XII have a stadium capacity of approximately 55,000 seats or less. This includes Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State & TCU. 7/12 schools in the PAC 12 have a stadium capacity of approximately 55,000 seats or less. This includes Arizona, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah & Washington State. Not bad company to be in. If a stadium capacity of 55,000 or less is good enough for those schools then it is good enough for San Diego State. You are correct. Avg attendance was 43k last year SDSU was 71st and 9th out of non P5. There is no reason we can't get to 45k soon and a 45k, full, on campus stadium would be awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 16:19:43 GMT -8
The moment we play a P5 schedule we'll jump into the top 40/50 for attendance. Attendance doesn't worry as much right now as simply winning and recruiting. Certainly when looking at stadium size 40k to 50k would be ideal.
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Post by adammclane on Apr 2, 2015 16:22:03 GMT -8
We're not even on the map when it comes to football facilities. Let's hope SDSU can acquire the Q site to redevelop.
For those who think there's any risk that we would lose football, I just haven't seen an ounce of evidence to that effect. Quite the opposite. From the AD to the coach to the president of the school, there's an understanding that athletics correlates to admissions and admissions is who rules the roost.
I would think the next logical step in football development would be a dedicated football training facility similar to the JAM Center.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 2, 2015 16:38:15 GMT -8
Just an FYI... 5/10 schools in the BIG XII have a stadium capacity of approximately 55,000 seats or less. This includes Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State & TCU. 7/12 schools in the PAC 12 have a stadium capacity of approximately 55,000 seats or less. This includes Arizona, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah & Washington State. Not bad company to be in. If a stadium capacity of 55,000 or less is good enough for those schools then it is good enough for San Diego State. You are correct. Avg attendance was 43k last year SDSU was 71st and 9th out of non P5. There is no reason we can't get to 45k soon and a 45k, full, on campus stadium would be awesome. Average attendance of 43,000 for whom?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 16:55:26 GMT -8
You are correct. Avg attendance was 43k last year SDSU was 71st and 9th out of non P5. There is no reason we can't get to 45k soon and a 45k, full, on campus stadium would be awesome. Average attendance of 43,000 for whom? Probably the avg for B12 or maybe PAC12.
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