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Post by thepapacy on Mar 1, 2015 1:40:01 GMT -8
I would hope that in that case, Winston would take it stronger to my face than he does to the rim... . What? Too soon? I had to! I would say too late! You must have missed the last 6 weeks...
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 1, 2015 6:09:51 GMT -8
We've seen over the last couple of years that every loss gets magnified and becomes more than just a loss to a large percentage of the Aztec fan base.
Sometimes the meltdown is warranted to a degree, sometimes it's not. Last night's loss did warrant a meltdown to some degree. Why?
The Aztecs got out hustled, out rebounded, and out coached.
We had a ton of balls either stripped or blocked in the offensive paint. I have never seen that many turnovers in the offensive paint from the Aztecs. We were forcing too many outside shots because of that. Not coming up with a way to get shots off from the inside killed us. And we were not able to stop Boise from scoring when it became critical. We'd miss a shot, but they wouldn't. We defended well overall, but down the stretch when we couldn't score we couldn't stop them often enough. The coaching staff failed to come up with anything that worked in the last 10 minutes. It was an all-around team loss from the coaches to the players.
The fans tried to create a spark with about 4 minutes left as everyone got on their feet and cheered loudly (led by The Show - great effort on their part to do something to create some energy in the arena). Unfortunately, the team didn't respond to the increased energy in the arena and continued to miss shots and that's when the defense became just a little less effective than it had been and Boise increased their lead. That was the first time I've seen an Aztec team fail to step up when the crowd stepped up.
Still, in the end it is just one loss, and if the coaches and players get it together and learn from this the team can still have some post season success. If they don't learn from this and don't step it up then this will just be a precursor to future results.
Did this game warrant a fan, "Meltdown?" Maybe a little. Expectations HAVE been raised over the last several years, and that's a good thing.
In the end, this is a down year for Aztec basketball. And if this is a down year then I'll take it if that means that we're going to see more, "Up," years in the near future.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Mar 1, 2015 6:58:02 GMT -8
What a bunch of spoiled fans we have. You may as well give up your season tickets. There are plenty of fans willing to take your seats.
Go Aztecs!
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Post by sdgaucho on Mar 1, 2015 7:22:20 GMT -8
What do you expect from a message board? They exist for fans to be critical of their team and to give kudos when kudos are deserved.
This team just got punked by a team whose top player previously looked at their head coach with a smirk while on the free throw line and intentionally tried throw in a no look bank shot. I'm pissed as should they. Look at Fisher's post game remarks and you will see the same. I can only hope we meet them in the mwc finals and destroy them Ala kawhi and the boys vs jimmer.
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Post by ourtime on Mar 1, 2015 7:26:28 GMT -8
The threads and posts that I can't stand are the "we got outcoached," "we got outhustled," "no urgency, no heart, soft." None of that is true, why do people try to out think themselves? This team simply can't score. That's it. That's why they lost. Yesterday was the fewest points they've scored at Viejas in 10 years! Take after take of nonsense when it can be summed up with one number......46.
And if you wanted to take your analysis to the next level 7 points over the final 11 minutes.
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Post by csfoster on Mar 1, 2015 7:26:44 GMT -8
Good Fans are hard to come by even in San Diego.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Mar 1, 2015 7:33:03 GMT -8
T-shirt fans crack me up. The highs are too high as if they are entitled, the lows are too low, They crap on their own guys, coaches and those that understand it is a game, with thew normal ebbs and flows that come with it. You aren't entitled. Most don't put a dime into the program outside of a few seat purchases, you didn't play the game, you expect the players to be perfect and professional, make nearly every shot and never have a let down. Get a grip. Yep, the team shot desperation shots and wasn't patient enough to get better looks and get set before their shots, the coaches couldn't turn the tide as they normally do. That they normally do turn the tide in most games. This was an aberration. They will learn, improve and need their fan support, not the crap you phony fans are giving them. Support them, they know it was bad, you don't need to continue the beat down. Makes for a hell of a recruiting environment, doesn't it?
Get a grip. Support the team. Let then know you are behind them and know they have it in them. Be an Aztec.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 1, 2015 7:50:24 GMT -8
T-shirt fans crack me up. The highs are too high as if they are entitled, the lows are too low, They crap on their own guys, coaches and those that understand it is a game, with thew normal ebbs and flows that come with it. You aren't entitled. Most don't put a dime into the program outside of a few seat purchases, you didn't play the game, you expect the players to be perfect and professional, make nearly every shot and never have a let down. Get a grip. Yep, the team shot desperation shots and wasn't patient enough to get better looks and get set before their shots, the coaches couldn't turn the tide as they normally do. That they normally do turn the tide in most games. This was an aberration. They will learn, improve and need their fan support, not the crap you phony fans are giving them. Support them, they know it was bad, you don't need to continue the beat down. Makes for a hell of a recruiting environment, doesn't it? Get a grip. Support the team. Let then know you are behind them and know they have it in them. Be an Aztec. I think everyone here does support the team. Some people just have a hard time dealing with a down year like this, and especially with performances like the one we saw last night. The players got out played and the coaches got out coached. That's hard to take when you know that we've got better players, and one of the best coaching staffs in D1. We had no business losing that game. That said, it IS just one game, and it isn't the end of our season. But I don't think recruits will have any problem with the environment here since all it shows is that our fans care and expect the best possible from the team every game. The attitude here isn't unique to SDSU. I'd imagine that Kansas fans had a massive meltdown when they lost to Kansas State. Fans of ALL good programs expect to win every game and get upset when they don't. That goes with the territory. If a player can't handle that kind of pressure then he certainly can't handle the kind of pressure he'd get at a, "More prestigious," school. Like I said before, this is a down year, which means that we'll have more UP years in the near future. The program has come a long way. No need to panic, no need to overreact. If the program doesn't pick back up in a year or two then it will be time to look at why the program has slipped/regressed overall. But that time isn't now. This year is likely an aberration. But last night's game WAS very disappointing, and even the most ardent supporters of Aztec athletics have to admit that.
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 1, 2015 7:53:40 GMT -8
The threads and posts that I can't stand are the "we got outcoached," "we got outhustled," "no urgency, no heart, soft." None of that is true, why do people try to out think themselves? This team simply can't score. That's it. That's why they lost. Yesterday was the fewest points they've scored at Viejas in 10 years! Take after take of nonsense when it can be summed up with one number......46. And if you wanted to take your analysis to the next level 7 points over the final 11 minutes. Right on. This is exactly what I was thinking. We simply don't have a consistent go to guy. We have no offense. This is the main reason why we lost. Yeah, we could've hustled more, coached a little better, etc... but the simple fact Is, we have no consistent O, or go to guy. That's by we lost, and why we potentially Will lose down the road. Period.
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Post by sdsudevil on Mar 1, 2015 7:55:19 GMT -8
This thread is ridiculous.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 1, 2015 8:05:32 GMT -8
The threads and posts that I can't stand are the "we got outcoached," "we got outhustled," "no urgency, no heart, soft." None of that is true, why do people try to out think themselves? This team simply can't score. That's it. That's why they lost. Yesterday was the fewest points they've scored at Viejas in 10 years! Take after take of nonsense when it can be summed up with one number......46. And if you wanted to take your analysis to the next level 7 points over the final 11 minutes. Right on. This is exactly what I was thinking. We simply don't have a consistent go to guy. We have no offense. This is the main reason why we lost. Yeah, we could've hustled more, coached a little better, etc... but the simple fact Is, we have no consistent O, or go to guy. That's by we lost, and why we potentially Will lose down the road. Period. No, we did get outhustled last night. We did get outcoached. Let's not try to paint a rosier picture of the game than realtiy warrants. Look at the rebouding. We got our asses kicked on the boards. They outhustled us for rebounds. They got a ton of offensive rebounds, while we got almost none. They were a smaller team, and yet they killed us in rebounding. That is a clear indicator of being outhustled. They stripped the ball from us in the paint at least five times. They blocked as many shots as we did (or at least forced our guys to lose control of the ball while trying to shoot), and they're a smaller team. Our coaches couldn't come up with anything to effectively defend them in the last 10 minutes, and they couldn't come up with anything to effectively get inside to get some easier baskets. We got out hustled, out played, and out coached. We should have no problem admitting that if this really is a top tier program. That kind of thing is going to happen sooner or later. But it should cause no panic, just unhappiness and discontent with the ONE game. But we also shouldn't shy away from calling a spade a spade. Last night saw a poor effort overall from the team and coaches. It wasn't like they intentionally tanked the game, but they did get out hustled, out played, and out coached. But it's nothing to panic over as long as it doesn't happen again.
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Post by xohsxc on Mar 1, 2015 8:08:46 GMT -8
The threads and posts that I can't stand are the "we got outcoached," "we got outhustled," "no urgency, no heart, soft." None of that is true, why do people try to out think themselves? This team simply can't score. That's it. That's why they lost. Yesterday was the fewest points they've scored at Viejas in 10 years! Take after take of nonsense when it can be summed up with one number......46. And if you wanted to take your analysis to the next level 7 points over the final 11 minutes. Coach Norman Dale (Hoosiers) would say "There's more to the game than defense, there's offense and scoring points!"
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Mar 1, 2015 8:10:28 GMT -8
T-shirt fans crack me up. The highs are too high as if they are entitled, the lows are too low, They crap on their own guys, coaches and those that understand it is a game, with thew normal ebbs and flows that come with it. You aren't entitled. Most don't put a dime into the program outside of a few seat purchases, you didn't play the game, you expect the players to be perfect and professional, make nearly every shot and never have a let down. Get a grip. Yep, the team shot desperation shots and wasn't patient enough to get better looks and get set before their shots, the coaches couldn't turn the tide as they normally do. That they normally do turn the tide in most games. This was an aberration. They will learn, improve and need their fan support, not the crap you phony fans are giving them. Support them, they know it was bad, you don't need to continue the beat down. Makes for a hell of a recruiting environment, doesn't it? Get a grip. Support the team. Let then know you are behind them and know they have it in them. Be an Aztec. I think everyone here does support the team. Some people just have a hard time dealing with a down year like this, and especially with performances like the one we saw last night. The players got out played and the coaches got out coached. That's hard to take when you know that we've got better players, and one of the best coaching staffs in D1. We had no business losing that game. That said, it IS just one game, and it isn't the end of our season. But I don't think recruits will have any problem with the environment here since all it shows is that our fans care and expect the best possible from the team every game. The attitude here isn't unique to SDSU. I'd imagine that Kansas fans had a massive meltdown when they lost to Kansas State. Fans of ALL good programs expect to win every game and get upset when they don't. That goes with the territory. If a player can't handle that kind of pressure then he certainly can't handle the kind of pressure he'd get at a, "More prestigious," school. Like I said before, this is a down year, which means that we'll have more UP years in the near future. The program has come a long way. No need to panic, no need to overreact. If the program doesn't pick back up in a year or two then it will be time to look at why the program has slipped/regressed overall. But that time isn't now. This year is likely an aberration. But last night's game WAS very disappointing, and even the most ardent supporters of Aztec athletics have to admit that. Your line: "We had no business losing that game." Is the epitome of the entitled fan mindset.
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Post by aztecgold on Mar 1, 2015 8:13:15 GMT -8
This is an internet fan board. Posters vent after losses without thinking and go way overboard as they do on most fan boards. Perspective is not something they have ever thought about. LOL. Just ignore them and don't read the board after any Aztec losses.
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Post by ourtime on Mar 1, 2015 8:30:22 GMT -8
Right on. This is exactly what I was thinking. We simply don't have a consistent go to guy. We have no offense. This is the main reason why we lost. Yeah, we could've hustled more, coached a little better, etc... but the simple fact Is, we have no consistent O, or go to guy. That's by we lost, and why we potentially Will lose down the road. Period. No, we did get outhustled last night. We did get outcoached. Let's not try to paint a rosier picture of the game than realtiy warrants. Look at the rebouding. We got our asses kicked on the boards. They outhustled us for rebounds. They got a ton of offensive rebounds, while we got almost none. They were a smaller team, and yet they killed us in rebounding. That is a clear indicator of being outhustled. They stripped the ball from us in the paint at least five times. They blocked as many shots as we did (or at least forced our guys to lose control of the ball while trying to shoot), and they're a smaller team. Our coaches couldn't come up with anything to effectively defend them in the last 10 minutes, and they couldn't come up with anything to effectively get inside to get some easier baskets. We got out hustled, out played, and out coached. We should have no problem admitting that if this really is a top tier program. That kind of thing is going to happen sooner or later. But it should cause no panic, just unhappiness and discontent with the ONE game. But we also shouldn't shy away from calling a spade a spade. Last night saw a poor effort overall from the team and coaches. It wasn't like they intentionally tanked the game, but they did get out hustled, out played, and out coached. But it's nothing to panic over as long as it doesn't happen again. No they didn't! We haven't been a very good rebounding team all year, but in the game at Boise we did get offensive rebounds, limiting them was clearly a point of emphasis for Boise which is why they had 5 guys crash the boards and didn't try to run. On the flip side Fish commented on Friday Boise gets a lot of 3 point attempts in transition, and they torched us in this respect at Boise, so limiting those were a point of emphasis for the Aztecs which is why they didn't press after made baskets and were quick to get back on D. Neither scenario is a recipe for rebounding dominance. We can't make baskets. That's it. That has nothing to do with hustle, effort and coaching. Boise made shots we didn't, it's impossible to extend or stop runs when you make 1 out of every 5 shots. There is no margin for error. Let this sink in, 46 points at home! Everything else is background noise.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 1, 2015 8:35:37 GMT -8
I think everyone here does support the team. Some people just have a hard time dealing with a down year like this, and especially with performances like the one we saw last night. The players got out played and the coaches got out coached. That's hard to take when you know that we've got better players, and one of the best coaching staffs in D1. We had no business losing that game. That said, it IS just one game, and it isn't the end of our season. But I don't think recruits will have any problem with the environment here since all it shows is that our fans care and expect the best possible from the team every game. The attitude here isn't unique to SDSU. I'd imagine that Kansas fans had a massive meltdown when they lost to Kansas State. Fans of ALL good programs expect to win every game and get upset when they don't. That goes with the territory. If a player can't handle that kind of pressure then he certainly can't handle the kind of pressure he'd get at a, "More prestigious," school. Like I said before, this is a down year, which means that we'll have more UP years in the near future. The program has come a long way. No need to panic, no need to overreact. If the program doesn't pick back up in a year or two then it will be time to look at why the program has slipped/regressed overall. But that time isn't now. This year is likely an aberration. But last night's game WAS very disappointing, and even the most ardent supporters of Aztec athletics have to admit that. Your line: "We had no business losing that game." Is the epitome of the entitled fan mindset. Really? WE WERE UP BY 9 POINTS IN THE 2nd HALF! We had no business losing a game when we had that kind of lead. We had a 7 point lead in both the 1st half and 2nd half. We have more athletic players than they do. We have taller players than they do. We had no business losing that game when we had that kind of lead. Stating that has nothing to do with being entitled, it has to do with a poor performance by the team IN THIS ONE GAME. They collapsed, and that's not OK, no matter how you paint the picture.
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Post by biotec on Mar 1, 2015 8:39:13 GMT -8
I usually stay away from the board after a loss but I looked last night and it seemed pretty tame compared to some of our other losses.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Mar 1, 2015 8:39:13 GMT -8
Lol. It happens. It was a clunker game, the guys rushed shots, didn't set properly, the coaches didn't bring that home. Lots of bad things happen. Guess what hero, that has happened every season. Look ahead, stop being entitled. Realize that these kids are human, as are the coaches. Sh*t, DPII was declared out right before teh game, he was dejected, as he should be, the kids probably were affected by that. Stuff happens. Get a grip. Look ahead, not back.
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Post by ctap13 on Mar 1, 2015 9:08:42 GMT -8
Why is it that people can never say anything negative about the team without being labeled a troll and attacked? People's expectations have been raised and they feel like the team, and a few players in particular, have not lived up to the hype and expectations. We had a chance to make a statement with a win tonight and instead got punched in the nose at home. Not sure why it is so wrong to be pissed about that. I agree with you 100%! Just because Coach Fisher has completely changed and made our basketball team so much better than anybody could have imagined, Life moves on and people want to see things improving and getting better. That is life. He gets tons of praise from me, but he also gets criticism for me as well. The bottom line is we are never going to take that next step as a school until we get an offense. Our defense is very good but we lose games because of our crappy offense.
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Post by cmonaztecs on Mar 1, 2015 9:20:16 GMT -8
I agree with you 100%! Just because Coach Fisher has completely changed and made our basketball team so much better than anybody could have imagined, Life moves on and people want to see things improving and getting better. That is life. He gets tons of praise from me, but he also gets criticism for me as well. The bottom line is we are never going to take that next step as a school until we get an offense. Our defense is very good but we lose games because of our crappy offense. As a fan what's really frustrating is that we have guys who can shoot, but they're not being coached up and given the opportunity.
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