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Post by Fisher Fanatic on May 4, 2015 21:07:44 GMT -8
The shoe circuit? What's that?
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Post by aztech on May 4, 2015 21:25:20 GMT -8
How about if he classifies for 2015? Then technically he could sign scholarship papers any day up until the day school starts (although delaying only puts you at risk with NCAA clearinghouse). He won't sign a LOI if he reclassifies.
However, really sounds like he's going to wait until after the shoe circuit to commit. So doubt he'll sign anything in the next month or two and instead will give himself options.
Thanks, good info. The concern is all the sharks circling the waters before then.
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Post by sdcoug on May 4, 2015 23:42:54 GMT -8
The shoe circuit? What's that? Grassroots ball, AAU. The spring/summer circuit where teams are "sponsored" by shoe companies.
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Post by Gundo on May 5, 2015 0:04:28 GMT -8
The shoe circuit? What's that? Grassroots ball, AAU. The spring/summer circuit where teams are "sponsored" by shoe companies. He was just in the ATL last weekend and sat on the TNT NBA Stage and took an unofficial visit to GA Tech. Adidas Nations was last weekends event. Cage was in Louisville last weekend, but wasn't there for the Derby, he was at a Nike event.
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Post by Gundo on Jun 5, 2015 7:53:15 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 5, 2015 8:02:51 GMT -8
It's funny how people were all over Cage for being 'elite' but bashing Stanback just a short while ago. Wonder if that'll change now?
It amazes me how people fall in love with rankings, when the reality is some players develop & peak early & thus get ranked high early while others develop & peak later, and the latter ends up being better than the former quite often.
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Post by Gundo on Jun 5, 2015 8:10:39 GMT -8
It's funny how people were all over Cage for being 'elite' but bashing Stanback just a short while ago. Wonder if that'll change now?
It amazes me how people fall in love with rankings, when the reality is some players develop & peak early & thus get ranked high early while others develop & peak later, and the latter ends up being better than the former quite often.
To continue the rankings, Bailey #39 and showing off skills in the summer leagues.
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Post by thepapacy on Jun 5, 2015 8:13:29 GMT -8
when the reality is some players develop & peak early & thus get ranked high early while others develop & peak later, and the latter ends up being better than the former quite often.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 8, 2015 7:08:01 GMT -8
It's funny how people were all over Cage for being 'elite' but bashing Stanback just a short while ago. Wonder if that'll change now?
It amazes me how people fall in love with rankings, when the reality is some players develop & peak early & thus get ranked high early while others develop & peak later, and the latter ends up being better than the former quite often.
To continue the rankings, Bailey #39 and showing off skills in the summer leagues. I think a lot of the reason Cage is popular with Aztecs fans is due to his Dad's legacy here.
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Post by standiego on Jun 8, 2015 8:08:26 GMT -8
"Bigs " go up and down the ratings boards as they play in AAU events . When they play against better taller opponents then they played against during HS . Can also take longer for the guys to be true contributors to the team. Look at 2015 recruit B. Jones . Current and former Aztecs : A. Chol , S. Spencer , James Johnson , you are also correct Aztec fans love sons of former Aztecs and local HS guys .
That is why reloading for the Aztecs for 2016 may not be as easy as some may think . After 2015 we lose Spencer and Chol . Plus we have not had the best track record of being able to recruit high quality "Bigs " then develop them for the NBA .
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Jun 8, 2015 8:14:19 GMT -8
We don't really have a "bad" track record for developing bigs either... It's basically a non-existant track record because we haven't ever really had a great big man with NBA potential coming into college. I have plenty of confidence the staff can develop a big man if they were to land one with big time potential
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Post by thepapacy on Jun 8, 2015 8:52:34 GMT -8
we have not had the best track record of being able to recruit high quality "Bigs " then develop them for the NBA . Do we have the best track record of being able to recruit high quality "smalls" then develop them for the NBA? We have exactly one NBA player who has stuck, and he is just as much a big as he is a non-big. Jamaal (non big) = Malcolm (big). Let's face it, if we have troubles recruiting into the future it has nothing to do with perception of bigs in our system, it has to do with uncertainty at HC and the fact that even though many on here feel entitled to greatness, we really haven't proven too much on a national level and are still a 2nd tier, regional power with almost unlimited upside. Guys that come to SDSU do not do so because of our NBA track record or blue blood pedigree - we are a decade out from that reality assuming we have a magical decade with multiple seasons progressing further than we ever have. Players come to SDSU because of the coaching staff, the environment, factors like a new practice facility and the crowd at Viejas, and the city. They come to build something, not become a part of something that's already been built.
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Post by standiego on Jun 8, 2015 10:46:46 GMT -8
there should no be uncertainty about the HC . Fisher signed an extension for 3 years . We know 2015 for sure and if he and family want him to continue he will . Dutcher is already chosen as "coach in waiting " , plus doing numerous things in the transition , so there is no surprise . He also did a good portion of the recruiting of the Fab 5 . Aztecs are known for Defense ,plus athletic guys . So recruits know if they do not play D they may not play as much here as other schools , most guys prefer Offense first so pass on coming here . Eliminates numerous players . Aztecs may consider a more up tempo offense and more involvement of the center in the offense , to get those players , we will see going forward .
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Post by Den60 on Jun 8, 2015 12:29:43 GMT -8
We don't really have a "bad" track record for developing bigs either... It's basically a non-existant track record because we haven't ever really had a great big man with NBA potential coming into college. I have plenty of confidence the staff can develop a big man if they were to land one with big time potential Yes, we are really on what our 3rd or 4th recruiting year when we have started getting highly rated freshmen to come here rather than getting them later when they "bounce back?" One thing I do know is that Fisher doesn't seem to be too fond of the classic center. He seems to prefer athleticism over size.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Jun 8, 2015 12:47:16 GMT -8
We don't really have a "bad" track record for developing bigs either... It's basically a non-existant track record because we haven't ever really had a great big man with NBA potential coming into college. I have plenty of confidence the staff can develop a big man if they were to land one with big time potential Yes, we are really on what our 3rd or 4th recruiting year when we have started getting highly rated freshmen to come here rather than getting them later when they "bounce back?" One thing I do know is that Fisher doesn't seem to be too fond of the classic center. He seems to prefer athleticism over size. I said highly touted "big men". All of our good recruits have been guards/small forwards
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Post by Gundo on Jun 8, 2015 21:11:24 GMT -8
Narain didn't make the U19 Canadian Team, I assume its because of his age versus skill set.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 7:23:12 GMT -8
Narain didn't make the U19 Canadian Team, I assume its because of his age versus skill set. You would be wrong in that assumption as NN meets the age criteria. The U19 is for 19 and under.
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Post by standiego on Jun 9, 2015 7:50:59 GMT -8
Believe he and some other quality guys did not make the team . Any word if he is playing more AAU ball this summer ?
Aztecs have not done a good job of recruiting , thus developing " bigs" even M. Thomas was a transfer . Also the system seems to have the 5/C used more of a ball screener then integrated shooting part of the offense . or the Fisher wants a shot blocker /defender . What comes first chicken or the egg? Is it Spencer/Chol not being more involved in the offense , because of the style of play ,or poor hands , below average FT ..., not being able to finish ? The taller recruits watch the way we play ,use our 5 or do not, and then other schools and select other schools that do a better job . Zags for instance . Will we see more from Spencer/Chol and the offense this year ? If we sign Narain and another big say Cage , Kone or Humphries , Stanback ..... will things change for the 5/C position ?
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Jun 9, 2015 8:24:11 GMT -8
Believe he and some other quality guys did not make the team . Any word if he is playing more AAU ball this summer ? Aztecs have not done a good job of recruiting , thus developing " bigs" even M. Thomas was a transfer . Also the system seems to have the 5/C used more of a ball screener then integrated shooting part of the offense . or the Fisher wants a shot blocker /defender . What comes first chicken or the egg? Is it Spencer/Chol not being more involved in the offense , because of the style of play ,or poor hands , below average FT ..., not being able to finish ? The taller recruits watch the way we play ,use our 5 or do not, and then other schools and select other schools that do a better job . Zags for instance . Will we see more from Spencer/Chol and the offense this year ? If we sign Narain and another big say Cage , Kone or Humphries , Stanback ..... will things change for the 5/C position ? Yes, I believe they would. If we were able to actually land a good recruit at that position I think we'd work them nicely into the system. We utilize Chol fairly well when he's in, but he gets in foul trouble and makes mental defensive mistakes too often to be in the game too much. Hopefully he'll improve a lot this season. Malcolm Thomas wasn't a highly touted recruit out of high school. I love Spencer but he also wasn't a particularly highly touted recruit either and has a ceiling on his offensive capablities. I'd be very curious to see how well we'd develop a big man if we could land a good recruit with lots of potential. I'd have confidence in the coaching staff that they'd utilize him properly
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Post by jpaztec on Jun 9, 2015 8:24:29 GMT -8
The issue with recruiting bigs at (and I hate using this label) a mid-major level, is that you basically get a choice, skilled or athletic, very rarely both. The Okafor's and Towne's of the world are snatched up by the blue bloods and the rest of us are left to divide up the type of player that best fits the scheme of the team. Fish likes athletes that can play Defense. If we got a big lumbering, albeit skilled big, (think Cameron Rooks from a couple years back) our pressure defense then goes to hell.
Skylar and Angelo present an option that can pressure, switch, and protect the rim, while taking a step back on the offensive end. I guarantee that if Sky was scoring 10+ a game, but our interior defense was soft, we'd be griping about how much we need a shot blocker and enforcer. It's the nature of the masses, we want what we don't or can't have. NOW, I would love to see, in addition to the opening of the JAM center, a dedicated offensive big man coach that can help our guys refine their offensive skillsets. If Skylar can develop a go to low post move, that's huge. If Angelo can learn to stay out of foul trouble, that's huge. Somebody nailed it with the word development, Malcolm was the only big in recent memory with a bona fide post up game, the staff needs to change that. Nolan is by far the best PF prospect we've had, hopefully he can blossom and attract more of the same type players.
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