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Post by Zuma on Jan 25, 2015 15:44:19 GMT -8
I would be ok with buying Hardy Elementary (which I am sure SDUSD is not currently interested in selling) and creating a stadium next to the Aztrack. That would destroy the two practice fields. BUT, with the stadium on campus, maybe they could practice on their home field then (and the aztrack, and the lower field next to Tony Gwynn Stadium). It would be on a major thoroughfare for creating a shuttle service from parking lots on game days. A lot of land transformation, but possible. Again, dealing with the surrounding community would be a major obstacle (as well as getting City Schools to sell off Hardy).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 16:12:55 GMT -8
"The surrounding community" is a powerful one.Not saying it couldn't be done but lots of problems. If needed then we go for it. I like the Q. Easy access, tailgating, capacity, and really it is better than most places we play.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Jan 25, 2015 16:56:35 GMT -8
Gotta hand it to you guys. I just don't have the energy to devote to the stadium issue anymore.
Props to the Spanos/Fabiani junta for that, I guess. If they can wear out a fanatic like me, maybe they can do the same for SD taxpayers who will go ahead and mark Yes on their ballot for a downtown stadium just to shut the mofos up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 18:10:44 GMT -8
No chance do I see this issue getting the 66% needed to pass. If I was a Chargers fan (and I do pull for them) I'd be VERY concerned about the team departing San Diego. Its been nearly 15 years now (a ridiculous length of time), and quite frankly I'm surprised they're still here.
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Post by fowl on Jan 26, 2015 15:37:53 GMT -8
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jan 26, 2015 16:12:06 GMT -8
" They’ve been patiently waiting for the city of San Diego to give them a new stadium, but with no significant progress in sight, a move to Los Angeles seems like the most logical option." So, they can build their own stadium in LA but not SD. Don't lit the door hit you in the ass on your way out!
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Post by AztecSports95 on Jan 26, 2015 16:24:06 GMT -8
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 26, 2015 16:26:25 GMT -8
" They’ve been patiently waiting for the city of San Diego to give them a new stadium, but with no significant progress in sight, a move to Los Angeles seems like the most logical option." So, they can build their own stadium in LA but not SD. Don't lit the door hit you in the ass on your way out! That is a BS rumor story and has no basis in fact. A few moments of deductive reasoning would bear out what the Chargers have verified. The story from St Louis is BS.
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 26, 2015 16:28:44 GMT -8
This is an apples to oranges argument. Glendale is getting hammered because they will not realize the economic boon of the Super Bowl. Everyone is staying in and spending their money in Phoenix, not Glendale where the game is held. This would absolutely not be the case in San Diego. Our city is a one stop shop. Perhaps if there was discussion about building the stadium in Escondido this comparison would hold water, but for San Diego it does not.
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 26, 2015 16:29:11 GMT -8
Debunked story, move along...
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Post by standiego on Jan 26, 2015 16:38:49 GMT -8
Another report today says the Rams owner is very serious about playing in any LA stadium in 2016 and then start building his own . Also reports in the Oakland area that if some team moves to LA , Raiders would look at that area be it San Diego , St Louis or maybe San Antonio . Would the city of San Diego then realize it wants a NFL team and try to get the Raiders here in San Diego . Be careful what you wish for . Same old issue to me how does the move by the Chargers solve the real problems on the field for the FB Aztecs ? It doesn't and that is the primary issue . The Aztec team on the field.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 26, 2015 16:40:51 GMT -8
So then tell me. Where on campus do you put a stadium? Wherever you'd like it. If it's me choosing... The empty grass field adjacent to Viejas. Rip down those old adjacent frat houses. Tear down the music building and build a new one on the parking lot near the bridge on College. Voila: You have the new stadium right next to Viejas and a brand new music building. The space you mention has for a long time seemed to me to be a possibility for an on-campus stadium. I'm not even sure that you would have to tear down all of those buildings you mention. Let's grab our 200 yard tape measure and walk that space. I'll bet the thing could be done there. Tell me when you want to check it out and I'll be there. AzWm
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Jan 26, 2015 16:46:23 GMT -8
Wherever you'd like it. If it's me choosing... The empty grass field adjacent to Viejas. Rip down those old adjacent frat houses. Tear down the music building and build a new one on the parking lot near the bridge on College. Voila: You have the new stadium right next to Viejas and a brand new music building. The space you mention has for a long time seemed to me to be a possibility for an on-campus stadium. I'm not even sure that you would have to tear down all of those buildings you mention. Let's grab our 200 yard tape measure and walk that space. I'll bet the thing could be done there. Tell me when you want to check it out and I'll be there. AzWm The biggest problem I might see with the area just east of the arena is that it would be directly over the route of the underground trolley line. Any construction (and excavation, as a big part of a stadium there would likely be below current ground level) in that location would have to be done without detrimental impact to the underground infrastructure for the trolley.
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Post by aztecfred on Jan 26, 2015 17:13:37 GMT -8
Wherever you'd like it. If it's me choosing... The empty grass field adjacent to Viejas. Rip down those old adjacent frat houses. Tear down the music building and build a new one on the parking lot near the bridge on College. Voila: You have the new stadium right next to Viejas and a brand new music building. The space you mention has for a long time seemed to me to be a possibility for an on-campus stadium. I'm not even sure that you would have to tear down all of those buildings you mention. Let's grab our 200 yard tape measure and walk that space. I'll bet the thing could be done there. Tell me when you want to check it out and I'll be there. AzWm Always thought they should have built the BB arena there and leave Aztec Bowl for onsite FB stadium.
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Post by ab on Jan 26, 2015 17:25:15 GMT -8
My "facts" don't pan out. Really? Where did you prove the facts wrong? Who said that we don't need more convention space? I surely didn't. That's why the combined convention/stadium space makes sense. It doesn't need to be attached and if the poor fools believe so then build another bridge or tube across the railroad tracks.
It's pretty sad when someone doesn't see the BIG picture. So what if they are trading business for business? Do you really think that all the hotels would be full next weekend in the Phoenix metroplex if the Super Bowl wasn't there? By the way, in your quotes above it states "Weirs "feels" his city is merely trading business for business. So he's got nothing to back up that statement that you believe to be fact. It's just an opinion. I will agree with the mayor that the NFL has gotten greedy and the cost of security is enormous. He also stated that the Super Bowl benefits the local businesses. The SB in Arizona benefits many cities when in San Diego it benefits mostly San Diego. There are no Super Bowl official events in La Mesa, El Cajon, National City etc.. Listen to the whole interview as you seemed to miss quite a bit.
and I didn't assume anything about you. Just pointing out what might be the case. Don't have such a hardon for someone who has been successful i.e. Spanoses. They're not asking for anything that the other owners haven't.
I have no problem with someone who has been successful. In fact, I applaud them and their success. However, I do not want to pay for a stadium for them. And make no mistake, this is a stadium for them. Doesn't matter how much kool aid you drink. This is a stadium for the chargers. If this was such a good idea, the NFL and its owners would do it themselves. There is a reason none of them want to own these themselves. Because they are losers. The minute you open the doors, they begin to depreciate and deteriorate. And so aside from constructing the building, and constructing all of the infrastructure for the building, we are on the hook for the building's maintenance for the next 50 years, while the Chargers reap all the benefits of the in stadium advertising, seat sales and luxury box sales. This is a boondoggle, pure and simple. So with all their success, they should pay for it their damn selves. Blaming Cushman and blaming the convention center folks for not getting this done is the chargers way of saying "we are taking our ball and leaving". the chargers have not brought forward one plan the community will approve so they are placing blame everywhere but on themselves. And all they have to offer is " well you won't get any more Super Bowl". Big deal. Nothing but threats from the football team. Good riddance. Well if you don't like all the ideas, how about coming up with one yourself that ALL sides will agree with. How many plans do the Chargers need to come up with? I'm not sure where the Chargers said "well you won't get any more Super Bowls"? Me thingst your so biased on this that you're blaming everything on the Chargers/Spanos rather than the past Mayors, City Councils etc...that have some responsibility in this mess too. Maybe the Chargers should do what the Packers have done which is to sell Stock in the organization...... similar to the Bricks that were sold at Petco etc... Anything to make it happen.
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Post by ab on Jan 26, 2015 17:27:28 GMT -8
So again, if the SDSU Admins have identified 3 locations, why don't they just get started and turn the shovel? No $$$? I suspect that's it.
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Post by ab on Jan 26, 2015 17:30:27 GMT -8
As a side note re the Convention Center expansion... I drove by there last night and wondered why the hell the Convention Center is only 3 or 4 stories tall. Rather than keep spreading out to take more land, why the hell didn't they build up?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 26, 2015 17:37:07 GMT -8
The space you mention has for a long time seemed to me to be a possibility for an on-campus stadium. I'm not even sure that you would have to tear down all of those buildings you mention. Let's grab our 200 yard tape measure and walk that space. I'll bet the thing could be done there. Tell me when you want to check it out and I'll be there. AzWm Always thought they should have built the BB arena there and leave Aztec Bowl for onsite FB stadium. Many times those who contemplate making a decision about their organization do not look far enough into the future to make sure that they have considered all possible long-range implications of whatever that decision turns out to be. In the nineties, the decision makers on the Mesa did not ask themselves what the school would do if the Chargers demanded a new stadium, one not suited to the school's needs. In effect, the school hitched its wagon the Charger's star. It now looks like a bad deal, but one has to admit that at the time it probably looked like a good deal. The basic question is stated simply: How important is it to the Aztec football program to have an on-campus stadium? In my opinion it is critical. And, yes. it's largely, if not totally, a matter of where will the money come from. AzWm
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Post by ab on Jan 26, 2015 17:54:33 GMT -8
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Post by sleepy on Jan 26, 2015 18:22:01 GMT -8
Wherever you'd like it. If it's me choosing... The empty grass field adjacent to Viejas. Rip down those old adjacent frat houses. Tear down the music building and build a new one on the parking lot near the bridge on College. Voila: You have the new stadium right next to Viejas and a brand new music building. The space you mention has for a long time seemed to me to be a possibility for an on-campus stadium. I'm not even sure that you would have to tear down all of those buildings you mention. Let's grab our 200 yard tape measure and walk that space. I'll bet the thing could be done there. Tell me when you want to check it out and I'll be there. AzWm Thumbs up! I'd actually like it if there was barely enough space for the field. I want those stands right on top of the opposing team and to go straight up like an elevator shaft! Hold that crowd noise in.
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