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Post by Village Aztec on Jan 24, 2015 7:46:12 GMT -8
Just fix the place. What did they do in Chicago? Fixed a dump. No land to buy.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 24, 2015 8:38:29 GMT -8
Just fix the place. What did they do in Chicago? Fixed a dump. No land to buy. They "fixed" Soldier Field by spending over $600 million over 10 years ago by building a new, smaller stadium inside the old one. Although it has many great memories for me, I'm not interested in saving the old Qualcomm Stadium.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 24, 2015 9:14:14 GMT -8
1984 called and said the Aztec basketball program is dead as soon as the Clippers split town...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 9:26:32 GMT -8
San Diego needs to start looking for a good Socker Team to be our partner at the Q.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 9:48:22 GMT -8
putting $1 into renovation of Qualcomm is the LAST thing they should do.
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Post by ab on Jan 24, 2015 15:40:17 GMT -8
re Conventions above- The convention experts are then wrong. Explain how Atlanta has not benefited from having the Georgia Dome and Phillips Arena in the same complex as the Georgia World Congress (Convention Center). Apparently it really works for them since they're building their new stadium right next door to the Georgia Dome. Re Super Bowls, yes the NFL has gotten more greedy under the new Commissioner. But you can't underestimate the affect it has on future tourism from people watching games on TV and seeing the sights of the city. There's no way to quantify the benefit of that. Same goes for Holiday Bowl, Poinsettia Bowl, Every Chargers game and I suspect even those AZTECS game that are televised more than just locally. Also re Super Bowl, there are far more people who travel to the host city during Super Bowl weekend who DO NOT attend the game but do spend their $$$ in the restaurants, bars, hotels etc.... PS- Maybe they have been properly articulated but your mind is just closed too tight to want to listen. Just sayin Please do not make assumptions about me. I've been listening intently for 14 years. And your facts simply don't pan out. Georgia's Convention Center is 3.9 Million Square Feet. Ours is currently 2.6 million square feet, hence the need for expansion. As for the premise that Superbowls make money, all of those reports use multiplier effects. That is, they don't count all the other things that are pushed aside while they are here. When Comic Con comes to town, other events and activities are not halted or displaced. A Superbowl demands the attention, space and investment of everyone and everything. It's like a swarm of locust. So nothing else can contribute to the economy at that time. Look at what the mayor Glendale recently said about this week's superbowl: ktar.com/103/1801078/Glendale-mayor-Were-losing-money-by-hosting-Super-Bowl "We don't receive any taxes from the actual game so we have to depend on people that are going to the Westgate area and surrounding areas," he said. The game will undoubtedly see thousands of people pour into the Westgate area, but Weiers feels his city is merely trading business for business. "We're taking our normal visitors and displacing them with other people," he said. "Is there a net profit there?" And finally, I'm sure our tourism industry will do just fine without a super bowl. Hasn't seemed to hurt us in the last 11 years. My "facts" don't pan out. Really? Where did you prove the facts wrong? Who said that we don't need more convention space? I surely didn't. That's why the combined convention/stadium space makes sense. It doesn't need to be attached and if the poor fools believe so then build another bridge or tube across the railroad tracks.
It's pretty sad when someone doesn't see the BIG picture. So what if they are trading business for business? Do you really think that all the hotels would be full next weekend in the Phoenix metroplex if the Super Bowl wasn't there? By the way, in your quotes above it states "Weirs "feels" his city is merely trading business for business. So he's got nothing to back up that statement that you believe to be fact. It's just an opinion. I will agree with the mayor that the NFL has gotten greedy and the cost of security is enormous. He also stated that the Super Bowl benefits the local businesses. The SB in Arizona benefits many cities when in San Diego it benefits mostly San Diego. There are no Super Bowl official events in La Mesa, El Cajon, National City etc.. Listen to the whole interview as you seemed to miss quite a bit.
and I didn't assume anything about you. Just pointing out what might be the case. Don't have such a hardon for someone who has been successful i.e. Spanoses. They're not asking for anything that the other owners haven't.
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Post by Zuma on Jan 24, 2015 17:07:40 GMT -8
1984 called and said the Aztec basketball program is dead as soon as the Clippers split town... And it was until almost 20 years later, and the school building an on campus stadium, and lucking into a steal of a coach.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 24, 2015 18:58:55 GMT -8
1984 called and said the Aztec basketball program is dead as soon as the Clippers split town... And it was until almost 20 years later, and the school building an on campus stadium, and lucking into a steal of a coach. So... Lessons learned: 1) Move your struggling program back on-campus. 2) Don't wait 15 years to do it.
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Post by Zuma on Jan 24, 2015 19:42:57 GMT -8
And it was until almost 20 years later, and the school building an on campus stadium, and lucking into a steal of a coach. So... Lessons learned: 1) Move your struggling program back on-campus. 2) Don't wait 15 years to do it. Great ideas. Where do we put a stadium, and where do we get the money?
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Post by aardvark on Jan 24, 2015 21:52:57 GMT -8
Please do not make assumptions about me. I've been listening intently for 14 years. And your facts simply don't pan out. Georgia's Convention Center is 3.9 Million Square Feet. Ours is currently 2.6 million square feet, hence the need for expansion. As for the premise that Superbowls make money, all of those reports use multiplier effects. That is, they don't count all the other things that are pushed aside while they are here. When Comic Con comes to town, other events and activities are not halted or displaced. A Superbowl demands the attention, space and investment of everyone and everything. It's like a swarm of locust. So nothing else can contribute to the economy at that time. Look at what the mayor Glendale recently said about this week's superbowl: ktar.com/103/1801078/Glendale-mayor-Were-losing-money-by-hosting-Super-Bowl "We don't receive any taxes from the actual game so we have to depend on people that are going to the Westgate area and surrounding areas," he said. The game will undoubtedly see thousands of people pour into the Westgate area, but Weiers feels his city is merely trading business for business. "We're taking our normal visitors and displacing them with other people," he said. "Is there a net profit there?" And finally, I'm sure our tourism industry will do just fine without a super bowl. Hasn't seemed to hurt us in the last 11 years. My "facts" don't pan out. Really? Where did you prove the facts wrong? Who said that we don't need more convention space? I surely didn't. That's why the combined convention/stadium space makes sense. It doesn't need to be attached and if the poor fools believe so then build another bridge or tube across the railroad tracks.
It's pretty sad when someone doesn't see the BIG picture. So what if they are trading business for business? Do you really think that all the hotels would be full next weekend in the Phoenix metroplex if the Super Bowl wasn't there? By the way, in your quotes above it states "Weirs "feels" his city is merely trading business for business. So he's got nothing to back up that statement that you believe to be fact. It's just an opinion. I will agree with the mayor that the NFL has gotten greedy and the cost of security is enormous. He also stated that the Super Bowl benefits the local businesses. The SB in Arizona benefits many cities when in San Diego it benefits mostly San Diego. There are no Super Bowl official events in La Mesa, El Cajon, National City etc.. Listen to the whole interview as you seemed to miss quite a bit.
and I didn't assume anything about you. Just pointing out what might be the case. Don't have such a hardon for someone who has been successful i.e. Spanoses. They're not asking for anything that the other owners haven't.
The combined convention center/stadium apparently doesn't make sense to a certain group of people--the convention center board.
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Post by ab on Jan 24, 2015 22:20:13 GMT -8
My "facts" don't pan out. Really? Where did you prove the facts wrong? Who said that we don't need more convention space? I surely didn't. That's why the combined convention/stadium space makes sense. It doesn't need to be attached and if the poor fools believe so then build another bridge or tube across the railroad tracks.
It's pretty sad when someone doesn't see the BIG picture. So what if they are trading business for business? Do you really think that all the hotels would be full next weekend in the Phoenix metroplex if the Super Bowl wasn't there? By the way, in your quotes above it states "Weirs "feels" his city is merely trading business for business. So he's got nothing to back up that statement that you believe to be fact. It's just an opinion. I will agree with the mayor that the NFL has gotten greedy and the cost of security is enormous. He also stated that the Super Bowl benefits the local businesses. The SB in Arizona benefits many cities when in San Diego it benefits mostly San Diego. There are no Super Bowl official events in La Mesa, El Cajon, National City etc.. Listen to the whole interview as you seemed to miss quite a bit.
and I didn't assume anything about you. Just pointing out what might be the case. Don't have such a hardon for someone who has been successful i.e. Spanoses. They're not asking for anything that the other owners haven't.
The combined convention center/stadium apparently doesn't make sense to a certain group of people--the convention center board. As someone else posted. That's apparently why the Bolts don't want Cushman involved in the meetings. Have they said why it doesn't make sense? Just like at SDSU, instead of trying to figure out ways to make something happen, they look for excuses as to why it can't happen. Small minds moving ..... nothing.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 24, 2015 23:44:06 GMT -8
So... Lessons learned: 1) Move your struggling program back on-campus. 2) Don't wait 15 years to do it. Great ideas. Where do we put a stadium, and where do we get the money? Yeah, you're right. We've never, ever, ever, been able to find space or money for athletics facilities...
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Post by Zuma on Jan 24, 2015 23:52:21 GMT -8
Great ideas. Where do we put a stadium, and where do we get the money? Yeah, you're right. We've never, ever, ever, been able to find space or money for athletics facilities... So then tell me. Where on campus do you put a stadium?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 0:00:09 GMT -8
Yeah, you're right. We've never, ever, ever, been able to find space or money for athletics facilities... So then tell me. Where on campus do you put a stadium? right on your big face, ya jerk
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Post by Zuma on Jan 25, 2015 1:07:12 GMT -8
So then tell me. Where on campus do you put a stadium? right on your big face, ya jerk Well that seems unnecessary
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Post by sleepy on Jan 25, 2015 1:14:20 GMT -8
Yeah, you're right. We've never, ever, ever, been able to find space or money for athletics facilities... So then tell me. Where on campus do you put a stadium? Wherever you'd like it. If it's me choosing... The empty grass field adjacent to Viejas. Rip down those old adjacent frat houses. Tear down the music building and build a new one on the parking lot near the bridge on College. Voila: You have the new stadium right next to Viejas and a brand new music building.
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Post by AztecSports95 on Jan 25, 2015 9:10:48 GMT -8
Please do not make assumptions about me. I've been listening intently for 14 years. And your facts simply don't pan out. Georgia's Convention Center is 3.9 Million Square Feet. Ours is currently 2.6 million square feet, hence the need for expansion. As for the premise that Superbowls make money, all of those reports use multiplier effects. That is, they don't count all the other things that are pushed aside while they are here. When Comic Con comes to town, other events and activities are not halted or displaced. A Superbowl demands the attention, space and investment of everyone and everything. It's like a swarm of locust. So nothing else can contribute to the economy at that time. Look at what the mayor Glendale recently said about this week's superbowl: ktar.com/103/1801078/Glendale-mayor-Were-losing-money-by-hosting-Super-Bowl "We don't receive any taxes from the actual game so we have to depend on people that are going to the Westgate area and surrounding areas," he said. The game will undoubtedly see thousands of people pour into the Westgate area, but Weiers feels his city is merely trading business for business. "We're taking our normal visitors and displacing them with other people," he said. "Is there a net profit there?" And finally, I'm sure our tourism industry will do just fine without a super bowl. Hasn't seemed to hurt us in the last 11 years. My "facts" don't pan out. Really? Where did you prove the facts wrong? Who said that we don't need more convention space? I surely didn't. That's why the combined convention/stadium space makes sense. It doesn't need to be attached and if the poor fools believe so then build another bridge or tube across the railroad tracks.
It's pretty sad when someone doesn't see the BIG picture. So what if they are trading business for business? Do you really think that all the hotels would be full next weekend in the Phoenix metroplex if the Super Bowl wasn't there? By the way, in your quotes above it states "Weirs "feels" his city is merely trading business for business. So he's got nothing to back up that statement that you believe to be fact. It's just an opinion. I will agree with the mayor that the NFL has gotten greedy and the cost of security is enormous. He also stated that the Super Bowl benefits the local businesses. The SB in Arizona benefits many cities when in San Diego it benefits mostly San Diego. There are no Super Bowl official events in La Mesa, El Cajon, National City etc.. Listen to the whole interview as you seemed to miss quite a bit.
and I didn't assume anything about you. Just pointing out what might be the case. Don't have such a hardon for someone who has been successful i.e. Spanoses. They're not asking for anything that the other owners haven't.
I have no problem with someone who has been successful. In fact, I applaud them and their success. However, I do not want to pay for a stadium for them. And make no mistake, this is a stadium for them. Doesn't matter how much kool aid you drink. This is a stadium for the chargers. If this was such a good idea, the NFL and its owners would do it themselves. There is a reason none of them want to own these themselves. Because they are losers. The minute you open the doors, they begin to depreciate and deteriorate. And so aside from constructing the building, and constructing all of the infrastructure for the building, we are on the hook for the building's maintenance for the next 50 years, while the Chargers reap all the benefits of the in stadium advertising, seat sales and luxury box sales. This is a boondoggle, pure and simple. So with all their success, they should pay for it their damn selves. Blaming Cushman and blaming the convention center folks for not getting this done is the chargers way of saying "we are taking our ball and leaving". the chargers have not brought forward one plan the community will approve so they are placing blame everywhere but on themselves. And all they have to offer is " well you won't get any more Super Bowl". Big deal. Nothing but threats from the football team. Good riddance.
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Post by AzTex on Jan 25, 2015 11:32:31 GMT -8
Yeah, you're right. We've never, ever, ever, been able to find space or money for athletics facilities... So then tell me. Where on campus do you put a stadium? Here is one place, for example. We own the land. The stadium would set in a canyon just like Aztec Bowl. Easy access to the trolley. They could put a game day only stop there. It's been reported that there are 3 or 4 locations identified by the administration that could be used.
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Post by Zuma on Jan 25, 2015 15:20:55 GMT -8
So then tell me. Where on campus do you put a stadium? Wherever you'd like it. If it's me choosing... The empty grass field adjacent to Viejas. Rip down those old adjacent frat houses. Tear down the music building and build a new one on the parking lot near the bridge on College. Voila: You have the new stadium right next to Viejas and a brand new music building. I'll keep playing, because selfishly, I would love for there to be an on campus stadium, but I can see many of the negatives that will be thrown towards many of the possible placements. This spot looks like it just barely be able to eek out the footprint of a stadium. It is the width, and a bit longer than the size of Viejas (meaning it is about the size of Aztec Bowl, with its capacity of 12,500) Granted, Aztec Bowl could have been expanded, but it would have added some size, both length and width. Let's say that State could squeeze in a 35k stadium in this spot. I do not know a large amount about construction of large buildings, but was the new trolley tunnel constructed with the possibility of a large structure being built above it? What kind of obstruction is it going to be in regards to laying the foundation (if any)? I don't see this fitting without tearing down the old frats, which would mean they would have to also remove the newer apartment building between the frats and that alley that leads down to Aztec Walk/the corner of Viejas. In conclusion, I do not think a 35k stadium would fit here, and there are possibly too many extenuating circumstances that would cause administration not to consider this area.
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Post by Zuma on Jan 25, 2015 15:33:23 GMT -8
So then tell me. Where on campus do you put a stadium? Here is one place, for example. We own the land. The stadium would set in a canyon just like Aztec Bowl. Easy access to the trolley. They could put a game day only stop there. It's been reported that there are 3 or 4 locations identified by the administration that could be used. I could see this as possibly being the most likely place to put it, but this location would need the most amount of infrastructure as it is in a canyon, far away from all of the other amenities and utilities of the school and surrounding community. I also could see this parcel taking longer than Petco and Viejas combined to go through litigation from the surrounding neighborhood for its impact on their communities. While it could possibly get down, this location would also have the most issues with accessibility, especially when dealing with codes such as ADA, as the street that currently goes down to it would be highly unsafe for disabled people trying to maneuver through a crowd if that is (which I am sure it wouldn't be), the only main entrance/exit.
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