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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 10:32:16 GMT -8
Correcting some bad info in recent posts: -- The vast majority of meetings at the convention center are smaller affairs that have no problem fitting into the facility as it is now. However, the tourism biz thrives on the really big-ticket trade shows. The convention center/San Diego Tourism Authority are trying to make inroads with the biggest medical conventions. Those are the ones that bring thousands of attendees with wads of cash to fill up local hotel rooms and spend money at restaurants and shops. Those events are the ones that want a bigger, contiguous center. They're much fewer in number but they're the ones who will make an expansion worthwhile, they'll get what they want. -- The California Coastal Commission APPROVED of the design of the contiguous convention center and if I remember correctly, they did so unanimously. Having watched a lot of that meeting, I can tell you that most of the commissioners appeared to wrestle with their decisions because of some walling off of the bayfront and limiting of coastal access. From what I saw, I think there is no way in hell those people will vote for a stadium on the coastal tidelands now, which is why the Chargers want something several blocks away. It's a total non-starter for the tourism biz, which is why I suspect a new stadium will end up in Mission Valley. -- What got "tossed" was the financing plan by a judge in a lawsuit by a local open-government activist. So there's all kinds of problems with the project, not the least of which the city doesn't have enough money to pay for everything that needs to be done. The local open government activist was basically invited by the city attorney ( Goldsmith) to file the suit because it was his opinion that 5 or 6 rich guys didn't have the authority to raise taxes on their own. Imagine that! The "contiguous space" is and always has been a canard. It was and remains a lockout spec promulgated to preclude additional convention space on land not controlled by the Port. San Francisco needs contiguous space ( rain) LV needs contiguous space (heat), Chicago needs contiguous space ( all of the above + wind and snow). When was the last time anyone, at any time and for any reason traveled to SD in order to maximize the time they spend indoors? Whatever "contiguous space" requirement there is can be easily ameliorated with a little creative thinking ( monorail perhaps or something as simple as a green corridor). A retractable roof stadium would more than suffice for mass gatherings. This is an issue of one group of billionaires ( Big hotel guys) backed by unelected cronies(Port) fighting another billionaire (Spanos) for control over public resources, in this case an increased TOT. Both sides know that neither is likely to get what they want from the voters. IMO, the only hope for both is if a comprehensive infrastructure plan can be negotiated between interested parties and presented to the public by a unified front of the downtown boys, the Port, the city and county and the Chargers. The question is does our new mayor have the backbone to put the deal together?
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Post by aardvark on Jan 29, 2015 11:23:41 GMT -8
Correcting some bad info in recent posts: -- The vast majority of meetings at the convention center are smaller affairs that have no problem fitting into the facility as it is now. However, the tourism biz thrives on the really big-ticket trade shows. The convention center/San Diego Tourism Authority are trying to make inroads with the biggest medical conventions. Those are the ones that bring thousands of attendees with wads of cash to fill up local hotel rooms and spend money at restaurants and shops. Those events are the ones that want a bigger, contiguous center. They're much fewer in number but they're the ones who will make an expansion worthwhile, they'll get what they want. -- The California Coastal Commission APPROVED of the design of the contiguous convention center and if I remember correctly, they did so unanimously. Having watched a lot of that meeting, I can tell you that most of the commissioners appeared to wrestle with their decisions because of some walling off of the bayfront and limiting of coastal access. From what I saw, I think there is no way in hell those people will vote for a stadium on the coastal tidelands now, which is why the Chargers want something several blocks away. It's a total non-starter for the tourism biz, which is why I suspect a new stadium will end up in Mission Valley. -- What got "tossed" was the financing plan by a judge in a lawsuit by a local open-government activist. So there's all kinds of problems with the project, not the least of which the city doesn't have enough money to pay for everything that needs to be done. Changing the last part of your last sentence to be more realistic, "...the city doesn't have enough money to pay for ANYTHING that needs to be done." Or so it seems.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 29, 2015 11:32:58 GMT -8
Correcting some bad info in recent posts: -- The vast majority of meetings at the convention center are smaller affairs that have no problem fitting into the facility as it is now. However, the tourism biz thrives on the really big-ticket trade shows. The convention center/San Diego Tourism Authority are trying to make inroads with the biggest medical conventions. Those are the ones that bring thousands of attendees with wads of cash to fill up local hotel rooms and spend money at restaurants and shops. Those events are the ones that want a bigger, contiguous center. They're much fewer in number but they're the ones who will make an expansion worthwhile, they'll get what they want. -- The California Coastal Commission APPROVED of the design of the contiguous convention center and if I remember correctly, they did so unanimously. Having watched a lot of that meeting, I can tell you that most of the commissioners appeared to wrestle with their decisions because of some walling off of the bayfront and limiting of coastal access. From what I saw, I think there is no way in hell those people will vote for a stadium on the coastal tidelands now, which is why the Chargers want something several blocks away. It's a total non-starter for the tourism biz, which is why I suspect a new stadium will end up in Mission Valley. -- What got "tossed" was the financing plan by a judge in a lawsuit by a local open-government activist. So there's all kinds of problems with the project, not the least of which the city doesn't have enough money to pay for everything that needs to be done. The local open government activist was basically invited by the city attorney ( Goldsmith) to file the suit because it was his opinion that 5 or 6 rich guys didn't have the authority to raise taxes on their own. Imagine that! The "contiguous space" is and always has been a canard. It was and remains a lockout spec promulgated to preclude additional convention space on land not controlled by the Port. San Francisco needs contiguous space ( rain) LV needs contiguous space (heat), Chicago needs contiguous space ( all of the above + wind and snow). When was the last time anyone, at any time and for any reason traveled to SD in order to maximize the time they spend indoors? Whatever "contiguous space" requirement there is can be easily ameliorated with a little creative thinking ( monorail perhaps or something as simple as a green corridor). A retractable roof stadium would more than suffice for mass gatherings. This is an issue of one group of billionaires ( Big hotel guys) backed by unelected cronies(Port) fighting another billionaire (Spanos) for control over public resources, in this case an increased TOT. Both sides know that neither is likely to get what they want from the voters. IMO, the only hope for both is if a comprehensive infrastructure plan can be negotiated between interested parties and presented to the public by a unified front of the downtown boys, the Port, the city and county and the Chargers. The question is does our new mayor have the backbone to put the deal together? To get all of these factions together to do this will take time, and time is a luxury that is in very short supply for the Chargers. IMO, a multi-purpose facility encompassing the Chargers and convention center will never happen. The convention center will eventually be expanded, and the Chargers (if they stay) will get a new stadium at the Qualcomm site. But since this is the AztecMesa website, my biggest concern is how this affects the Aztecs and their football team.
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Post by AzTex on Jan 29, 2015 12:35:05 GMT -8
The local open government activist was basically invited by the city attorney ( Goldsmith) to file the suit because it was his opinion that 5 or 6 rich guys didn't have the authority to raise taxes on their own. Imagine that! The "contiguous space" is and always has been a canard. It was and remains a lockout spec promulgated to preclude additional convention space on land not controlled by the Port. San Francisco needs contiguous space ( rain) LV needs contiguous space (heat), Chicago needs contiguous space ( all of the above + wind and snow). When was the last time anyone, at any time and for any reason traveled to SD in order to maximize the time they spend indoors? Whatever "contiguous space" requirement there is can be easily ameliorated with a little creative thinking ( monorail perhaps or something as simple as a green corridor). A retractable roof stadium would more than suffice for mass gatherings. This is an issue of one group of billionaires ( Big hotel guys) backed by unelected cronies(Port) fighting another billionaire (Spanos) for control over public resources, in this case an increased TOT. Both sides know that neither is likely to get what they want from the voters. IMO, the only hope for both is if a comprehensive infrastructure plan can be negotiated between interested parties and presented to the public by a unified front of the downtown boys, the Port, the city and county and the Chargers. The question is does our new mayor have the backbone to put the deal together? To get all of these factions together to do this will take time, and time is a luxury that is in very short supply for the Chargers. IMO, a multi-purpose facility encompassing the Chargers and convention center will never happen. The convention center will eventually be expanded, and the Chargers (if they stay) will get a new stadium at the Qualcomm site. But since this is the AztecMesa website, my biggest concern is how this affects the Aztecs and their football team. Maybe I'm just selfish, but my only concern is how this affects the Aztecs and their football team.
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Post by standiego on Jan 29, 2015 13:15:09 GMT -8
Biggest concern is improving the football team on the field . Winning the MW Championship game is the minimum priority and focus for all Aztec fans . No Excuses . Quality QB program being developed right here at SDSU .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 13:59:13 GMT -8
The local open government activist was basically invited by the city attorney ( Goldsmith) to file the suit because it was his opinion that 5 or 6 rich guys didn't have the authority to raise taxes on their own. Imagine that! The "contiguous space" is and always has been a canard. It was and remains a lockout spec promulgated to preclude additional convention space on land not controlled by the Port. San Francisco needs contiguous space ( rain) LV needs contiguous space (heat), Chicago needs contiguous space ( all of the above + wind and snow). When was the last time anyone, at any time and for any reason traveled to SD in order to maximize the time they spend indoors? Whatever "contiguous space" requirement there is can be easily ameliorated with a little creative thinking ( monorail perhaps or something as simple as a green corridor). A retractable roof stadium would more than suffice for mass gatherings. This is an issue of one group of billionaires ( Big hotel guys) backed by unelected cronies(Port) fighting another billionaire (Spanos) for control over public resources, in this case an increased TOT. Both sides know that neither is likely to get what they want from the voters. IMO, the only hope for both is if a comprehensive infrastructure plan can be negotiated between interested parties and presented to the public by a unified front of the downtown boys, the Port, the city and county and the Chargers. The question is does our new mayor have the backbone to put the deal together? To get all of these factions together to do this will take time, and time is a luxury that is in very short supply for the Chargers. IMO, a multi-purpose facility encompassing the Chargers and convention center will never happen. The convention center will eventually be expanded, and the Chargers (if they stay) will get a new stadium at the Qualcomm site. But since this is the AztecMesa website, my biggest concern is how this affects the Aztecs and their football team. They all know what time it is. The can(s) have been kicked all the way to the end of the cul-de-sac.
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Post by RiffelBooks on Jan 30, 2015 8:30:35 GMT -8
Bingo, Aztex. To get all of these factions together to do this will take time, and time is a luxury that is in very short supply for the Chargers. IMO, a multi-purpose facility encompassing the Chargers and convention center will never happen. The convention center will eventually be expanded, and the Chargers (if they stay) will get a new stadium at the Qualcomm site. But since this is the AztecMesa website, my biggest concern is how this affects the Aztecs and their football team. Maybe I'm just selfish, but my only concern is how this affects the Aztecs and their football team.
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Post by standiego on Jan 30, 2015 10:52:11 GMT -8
Some people think the Chargers as one of the 32 NFL teams is what holds the Aztecs back . I would say the true enemies are the 65 schools in the P5 especially the 12 schools in the PAC . Those 12 schools will not accept SDSU into their conference . The only issue is the FOOTBALL Team on the field . The best way to improve the Aztecs on the field and draw fans is to get better recruits so we are a PAC and P5 member . Know they are not going to elevate SDSU to their level but The PAC is the true enemy . Then we could get 4 or 5 star recruits , quality coaches and then we could fill the Q or whatever stadium we play in . How many fans we would draw if we played the PAC schools on a regular basis with quality players . So realize the PAC is the real enemy not the Chargers . Next time you run into some one from the PAC ask them why they are afraid to let SDSU into the PAC .
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Post by ab on Jan 30, 2015 20:51:56 GMT -8
As I posted the other day, I wonder why the Convention Center doesn't build "UP" towards the stars? The center is getting longer and longer when they could just keep building higher and higher. That part makes no sense to me. They don't need anymore land. They've got plenty of sky. This is what they do in countries like Japan who have no choice but to build up but it's a nonstarter in the US. The synergy and atmosphere (two of the most important factors that keep conventions coming back year after year) would be nonexistent. Contiguous space on the same level gives them great flexibility to accommodate just about any sized event. This idea would make sense if the conventions had to come to San Diego and had no other options but in the free marketplace this would destroy their ability to attract any legitimate convention. Where did you get all that? How many conventions/year here use up all of the first floor of all buildings? I've never been to ComicCon but how many floors do they use?
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Post by ab on Jan 30, 2015 20:53:54 GMT -8
Not necessarily. Pitt shares a stadium w/ the Steelers. The U shares one with the Dolphins. Temple w/ the Eagles...and plenty of others. They could build a new stadium there for both to share, build some of the other stuff there i.e. campus classes/dorms or whatever and still have a pretty darn good sized parking lot. The reality to me is that IF the MV site is used then we'll lose about 1/2 the parking to retail, homes, classes or whatever else they come up with. There's plenty of room for both. I just don't know what Sterk's got on his mind. He says nothing. He backs nothing. He's just like an animal waiting on it's prey. It seems to me he's all about reacting rather than taking a vocal stand, one way or the other. Thanks, those are in fact excellent examples. Pitt, Miami, Temple... 1. All have attendance problems 2. All have boosters strongly interested in building an on-campus stadium 3. All cite sharing an enormous NFL stadium as creating a poor game-day environment based on the crowds they can muster for college football And All have boosters who apparently are all talk and no action. Sound familiar?
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Post by ab on Jan 30, 2015 20:56:19 GMT -8
Some people think the Chargers as one of the 32 NFL teams is what holds the Aztecs back . I would say the true enemies are the 65 schools in the P5 especially the 12 schools in the PAC . Those 12 schools will not accept SDSU into their conference . The only issue is the FOOTBALL Team on the field . The best way to improve the Aztecs on the field and draw fans is to get better recruits so we are a PAC and P5 member . Know they are not going to elevate SDSU to their level but The PAC is the true enemy . Then we could get 4 or 5 star recruits , quality coaches and then we could fill the Q or whatever stadium we play in . How many fans we would draw if we played the PAC schools on a regular basis with quality players . So realize the PAC is the real enemy not the Chargers . Next time you run into some one from the PAC ask them why they are afraid to let SDSU into the PAC . Those who believe that the Chargers are holding back the Aztecs are plum freakin nuts.
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Post by ab on Feb 6, 2015 23:02:26 GMT -8
Just curious how many on here have been to the new downtown library and spent any time in there since it's opened? I'm not talking about sleeping in there. How much money was truly wasted on that?
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Post by fowl on Feb 7, 2015 0:50:43 GMT -8
Well it's not the SD library but my wife and kids spend at least five hours a week at our local public library and all of my kids check out multiple books every week from said library. Further my wife is the local congressman's rep on the library board of directors. Libraries are the place that underprivileged kids can go after school without being harassed and can access all sorts of info via books, mags, and the internet. In fact the public library is where most underprivileged kids access the internet. My family is a huge supporter of public libraries.
A public library does FAR more for enhancing society than a freaking billion dollar stadium whose benefits accrue to a single family.
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Post by standiego on Feb 7, 2015 7:37:40 GMT -8
I would hope the main priority is a QUALITY CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL TEAM ON THE FIELD . Ask the questions what is needed to get that. To me that means improving the quality of the recruits and the coaches . As of today even though we went through 50 pages of B12 expansion and I do not know how many pages of stadium issues . We are still in the MW . So that brings it back to trying to get better recruits . We improved but still may not have achieved the level of BSU . Bottom line BSU does it by winning on the field , MW Championship and then the Best G5 Bowl . Some believe the answer is an on campus facility , smaller scale . To me Aztecs need a real State of the Art Facility , with all the Score board , Locker rooms and the feel of a brand new NFL facility to get the recruits . It would be nicer then all of the home facilities of the PAC and even B12 schools . Plus put BSU , Fresno , San Jose or any other MW to shame . It would give us an opportunity to compete with all those schools . No it would not be P5 but sure have its advantages over all the MW schools and even some of the schools in the PAC or B12 . sure gives the coaches something extra to help them recruit . Recruiting quality players is where you get a leg up on a winning season . We need the players to win those championships . To me the sizzle of a state of the art facility can provide an edge in recruiting .
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Post by ab on Feb 7, 2015 15:47:44 GMT -8
Well it's not the SD library but my wife and kids spend at least five hours a week at our local public library and all of my kids check out multiple books every week from said library. Further my wife is the local congressman's rep on the library board of directors. Libraries are the place that underprivileged kids can go after school without being harassed and can access all sorts of info via books, mags, and the internet. In fact the public library is where most underprivileged kids access the internet. My family is a huge supporter of public libraries. A public library does FAR more for enhancing society than a freaking billion dollar stadium whose benefits accrue to a single family.Good for you. You're the only one so far who has said anything about spending any time in the library. But I disagree.
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Post by ab on Feb 7, 2015 15:49:33 GMT -8
Just curious- How many of you naysayers on here have ever set foot inside Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, TX for a game? Anybody? If you have, what did you think about your experience in there?
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Post by ab on Feb 7, 2015 16:18:07 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 16:19:39 GMT -8
Well it's not the SD library but my wife and kids spend at least five hours a week at our local public library and all of my kids check out multiple books every week from said library. Further my wife is the local congressman's rep on the library board of directors. Libraries are the place that underprivileged kids can go after school without being harassed and can access all sorts of info via books, mags, and the internet. In fact the public library is where most underprivileged kids access the internet. My family is a huge supporter of public libraries. A public library does FAR more for enhancing society than a freaking billion dollar stadium whose benefits accrue to a single family.Good for you. You're the only one so far who has said anything about spending any time in the library. But I disagree. I use the public library. Got a library card and everything. I like to get my read-on.
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Post by ab on Feb 7, 2015 16:20:17 GMT -8
Good for you. You're the only one so far who has said anything about spending any time in the library. But I disagree. I use the public library. Got a library card and everything. I like to get my read-on. The new downtown library?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 16:23:23 GMT -8
I use the public library. Got a library card and everything. I like to get my read-on. The new downtown library? Its not my primary library, but yes, I've been to it. They've even got public tours and artwork just like Jerry World.
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