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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 18, 2014 6:28:47 GMT -8
I see we have a lot of Stockholm Syndrome.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 18, 2014 6:52:27 GMT -8
I have an idea. STOP BITCHING! We haven't been this consistently good in quite a few years. Remain calm, it will work out. Just keep winning and going to bowl games. We will get to where every Aztec fan knows we can. GO AZTECS! "Remain calm. Just keep playing", said the Captain to the band on the Titanic.
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Apr 18, 2014 6:54:26 GMT -8
We're the 3rd or 4th best team in the MWC, we bring in 30k-35k fans per game, and you guys think we're getting screwed on a TV deal. Delusional. I know it's a long off-season, but sheesh... this thread is insane. We should be happy to be on TV at all. We are relative to what we gave up. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards The AAC TV deal is worse than the MWC. They get 1.6m for all sports. Are you aware of an offer of more money that was given up? If you're claiming there are ways to make more money that don't involve either the MWC or the AAC, then I think you're likely correct. If you're implying that the AAC moving would generate more tv money, then that's just not true.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Apr 18, 2014 6:59:26 GMT -8
It was true, that last offer for the AAC was for a diminished AAC without Boise and SDSU that would most likely been much more than what they ended up with - plus the money for managing 100% of our own tier three broadcast rights in football and basketball and the surprisingly generous money the Big West TV deal was much more. Also, the significantly reduced costs for our Oly Sports travel has to be accounted for. Further, the setting in the AAC was much more of a leveraging spot for future movement was priceless.
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Post by oldasstech on Apr 18, 2014 7:20:16 GMT -8
Sorry fellas but gotta say this. There is now magic glass slipper for sdsu football to turn into football royalty overnight. Instead of making excuses about not liking the Ad, the scheduled opponents, and the coach. Get your asses in some seats! Instead of donating to the athletic department, find way to use that money to put people in the stands. Start a charity for all the local junior high and HS football kids to come to the games for free, sponsor local HS football gear etc. that kind of PR and long term vision is what is going to cultivate a football tradition at state That is what it's going to take to turn this around, PERIOD! Alumni cannot go at it alone! All the winning successful programs around the country have loyal followings from folks that will never and have never gone to college, I'm talking about endearing the aztecs to community dammit! You have to start local and work your way out. Once the community is behind the team then those outside will pay attention.
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Post by oldasstech on Apr 18, 2014 7:24:07 GMT -8
^I guarantee you there are kids living all over San Diego who would kill to go to a sporting event like sdsu vs Air Force, because they've never been to anything. When I was an educator in southeast San Diego, it broke my heart talking to kids, born and raised in san diego, who where in sixth grade and never been to the beach!
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Post by sdaztecs92115 on Apr 18, 2014 7:29:08 GMT -8
I have an idea. STOP BITCHING! We haven't been this consistently good in quite a few years. Remain calm, it will work out. Just keep winning and going to bowl games. We will get to where every Aztec fan knows we can. GO AZTECS! "Remain calm. Just keep playing", said the Captain to the band on the Titanic. So, if I am understanding the response to my post. Aztec football is a sinking ship? Please tell me why that is.
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Post by oldasstech on Apr 18, 2014 7:33:28 GMT -8
You have to connect this team to the community, then the community will come out to the games. SDSU is like in a bubble at times, it doesn't help that so many alumni have no ties or care even about San Diego. You can't do it without community support, in the end places like Alabama are great because even the kids that play in the dirt lots without shoes in the back country of Alabama get an Alabama hat for Christmas and dream of playing there when they grow up. Invest in getting people to games and then you have managed to create new fans etc... It's long term folks, there is no magic pill.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 18, 2014 7:34:54 GMT -8
Sorry fellas but gotta say this. There is now magic glass slipper for sdsu football to turn into football royalty overnight. Instead of making excuses about not liking the Ad, the scheduled opponents, and the coach. Get your asses in some seats! Instead of donating to the athletic department, find way to use that money to put people in the stands. Start a charity for all the local junior high and HS football kids to come to the games for free, sponsor local HS football gear etc. that kind of PR and long term vision is what is going to cultivate a football tradition at state That is what it's going to take to turn this around, PERIOD! Alumni cannot go at it alone! All the winning successful programs around the country have loyal followings from folks that will never and have never gone to college, I'm talking about endearing the aztecs to community dammit! You have to start local and work your way out. Once the community is behind the team then those outside will pay attention. But, but, what if we feel that your assumptions, assertions are incorrect, and your exhortations are misdirected and woefully inadequate. What if, at least one of us believes, that the magnitude of the challenge requires that it MUST begin with the "leaders"? That, of course, gets us back to Rocky, Sterky and Hirshy.
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Apr 18, 2014 7:38:15 GMT -8
It was true, that last offer for the ACC was for a diminished AAC without Boise and SDSU that would most likely been much more than what they ended up with - plus the money for managing 100% of our own tier three broadcast rights in football and basketball and the surprisingly generous money the Big West TV deal was much more. Also, the significantly reduced costs for our Oly Sports travel has to be accounted for. Further, the setting in the AAC was much more of a leveraging spot for future movement was priceless. Boise and SDSU wouldn't have moved the needle on the AAC deal. It's not a coincidence that both leagues get about the same money, they are both viewed as filler, and mixing up the teams in any combination for football won't make a difference. Also remember that SDSU would only get a partial share of the AAC revenue, so they'd need to find an extra 600k a year from the big west just to break even. The real revelation from the big east debacle was how valuable basketball has become. With all the talk of football driving the bus, the real big east showed that a top tier basketball conference is much more valuable than a best of the rest football conference. Butler gets more than twice what UCONN gets for their tv rights. UCONN could have stayed in the big east for $4m a year and owned their own football rights, so they basically gave up 2.5m+ a year to "save" football. Given that fact, people thinking some new football conference will bring in a ton of revenue aren't watching what's happening. I hate to admit it, but BYU showed the path for the schools left out of the big boy conferences.
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Post by oldasstech on Apr 18, 2014 7:48:10 GMT -8
Sorry fellas but gotta say this. There is now magic glass slipper for sdsu football to turn into football royalty overnight. Instead of making excuses about not liking the Ad, the scheduled opponents, and the coach. Get your asses in some seats! Instead of donating to the athletic department, find way to use that money to put people in the stands. Start a charity for all the local junior high and HS football kids to come to the games for free, sponsor local HS football gear etc. that kind of PR and long term vision is what is going to cultivate a football tradition at state That is what it's going to take to turn this around, PERIOD! Alumni cannot go at it alone! All the winning successful programs around the country have loyal followings from folks that will never and have never gone to college, I'm talking about endearing the aztecs to community dammit! You have to start local and work your way out. Once the community is behind the team then those outside will pay attention. But, but, what if we feel that your assumptions, assertions are incorrect, and your exhortations are misdirected and woefully inadequate. What if, at least one of us believes, that the magnitude of the challenge requires that it MUST begin with the "leaders"? That, of course, gets us back to Rocky, Sterky and Hirshy. So it's incumbent upon the leaders to magically make those outside of San Diego, media types, to like us when not even the locals give a rip about the program? There is nothing more uplifting than seeing the damn stadium full to the brim with rowdy ass people wearing red and black. And if you get that, then the camera angle widens on the coverage and the broadcaster mentions the loyal fan base and this is how it grows into something that can go national. Get people to the games, invest in doing that and the program will grow. Fisher was giving away tickets when he started, just to get bodies in the seats, now you have to pay a premium price to go see the mens basketball team. It took them 15 years to get to the point they are now, nothing overnight like what a lot of posters are expecting from the football team.
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Post by laaztec on Apr 18, 2014 7:50:08 GMT -8
Without a P5 budget SDSU football can only get so far without a miracle worker for a coach. SDSU will continue to be in the upper half of Non-P5 teams but they aren't going to get into Top 25 unless they have a Fisher like coach running the program.
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Apr 18, 2014 7:53:39 GMT -8
The AAC TV deal is worse than the MWC. It won't be for long, you can bank on that. The AAC and MWC both signed long term deals last year. If by "for long" you mean sometime after 2020, well if we're still alive by then I guess we'll find out.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 18, 2014 7:59:03 GMT -8
But, but, what if we feel that your assumptions, assertions are incorrect, and your exhortations are misdirected and woefully inadequate. What if, at least one of us believes, that the magnitude of the challenge requires that it MUST begin with the "leaders"? That, of course, gets us back to Rocky, Sterky and Hirshy. So it's incumbent upon the leaders to magically make those outside of San Diego, media types, to like us when not even the locals give a rip about the program? There is nothing more uplifting than seeing the damn stadium full to the brim with rowdy ass people wearing red and black. And if you get that, then the camera angle widens on the coverage and the broadcaster mentions the loyal fan base and this is how it grows into something that can go national. Get people to the games, invest in doing that and the program will grow. Fisher was giving away tickets when he started, just to get bodies in the seats, now you have to pay a premium price to go see the mens basketball team. It took them 15 years to get to the point they are now, nothing overnight like what a lot of posters are expecting from the football team. My point is simple: It comes from the top. Without ambition, risk-taking, aggressive, creative and exciting leadership, the fans and alumni, on whom you are relying, will continue their slumber, watching the program--with passing interest--stumble into irrelevance. Unfortunately, at this time, we do NOT have those leaders. They are 180 degrees from the formula described above.
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Post by oldasstech on Apr 18, 2014 8:00:41 GMT -8
It was true, that last offer for the ACC was for a diminished AAC without Boise and SDSU that would most likely been much more than what they ended up with - plus the money for managing 100% of our own tier three broadcast rights in football and basketball and the surprisingly generous money the Big West TV deal was much more. Also, the significantly reduced costs for our Oly Sports travel has to be accounted for. Further, the setting in the AAC was much more of a leveraging spot for future movement was priceless. Boise and SDSU wouldn't have moved the needle on the AAC deal. It's not a coincidence that both leagues get about the same money, they are both viewed as filler, and mixing up the teams in any combination for football won't make a difference. Also remember that SDSU would only get a partial share of the AAC revenue, so they'd need to find an extra 600k a year from the big west just to break even. The real revelation from the big east debacle was how valuable basketball has become. With all the talk of football driving the bus, the real big east showed that a top tier basketball conference is much more valuable than a best of the rest football conference. Butler gets more than twice what UCONN gets for their tv rights. UCONN could have stayed in the big east for $4m a year and owned their own football rights, so they basically gave up 2.5m+ a year to "save" football. Given that fact, people thinking some new football conference will bring in a ton of revenue aren't watching what's happening. I hate to admit it, but BYU showed the path for the schools left out of the big boy conferences. I think I read on another thread on here that the NCAA tournament has become the 2nd or 3rd highest grossing athletic event in the country. So the writing is on the wall, at least the Aztecs appear to be on the right path in the sport that is trending upward. Football is getting a lot of negative PR lately with all of the concussion issues. I saw a documentary on PBS, can't think of the title now, but someone speaking in interview stated that surveys show parental consent for children to play football is at an all time low since the surveys began. Not sure if that is a good means squat but the future might not be football oriented.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 8:08:00 GMT -8
This thread reminds me of a school of fish that feed off each others cr*p. 1. We are on National TV at least 8 times. Indy we'd very be lucky to be on 4 times, for even less money. 2. If we went indy the rest of our sports, especially MBB, would be in a worse situation than the MWC. 3. Speaking of the MBB, we sell 12,000+ tickets for MWC mbb games -- imagine that! But, we can't sell any for football -- very odd. 4. Playing football (and MBB?) in the AAC time zones would be a huge disadvantage that would make all the "altitude" complaints seem even more silly than they are. 5. If we could fill the extra 40,000 seats in the Q, we'd more than make up the "CBS loves us factor". 6. If a reasonable percentage of our alumni made even a small contribution we'd make as much as a P5 TV deal. 7. The G5 conferences will have one access bowl slot, and that gives us a better chance to play in a big bowl game than at least half of the P5 schools that are stuck at the bottom of their conference and have virtually no chance. As an indy, we'd have no chance of a big bowl. 8. We are a western school and there are only 2 western conferences with FBS football. We are in one and unlikely to get into the other. 9. Boise State made some noise and money while in the real WAC, we can do the same in the MWC. 10. The AAC (Big East at the time) only wanted us because of the Boise connection -- they never wanted just us. I could continue but that's enough. You may now go back to your feeding. Go Aztecs! You make some great points. But almost nobody thinks remaining in the MWC is a good idea or acceptable. So what's the answer then? Seems to me that given points 1-10, it's Rocky Long.
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Post by oldasstech on Apr 18, 2014 8:09:22 GMT -8
So it's incumbent upon the leaders to magically make those outside of San Diego, media types, to like us when not even the locals give a rip about the program? No. It is incumbent on them to establish the conditions necessary for success: Hirsh needs to dissociate us to the greatest extent possible from terrible academic schools. He needs to work on making the school as selective as possible. We need alums with deeper pockets, and we won't start drawing them for at least ten years after he does what I've just outlined. Sterk needs to be selling this thing. We donate money; he gets paid to diagnose whatever problems we have and solve them as best he can. If he inherits an entrenched staff that is too comfortable to change its overall paradigm, then it's part of his $300K per year job to make changes in that staff. No one is perfect but I see ZERO substantive changes anywhere in those rooms. If he cannot bring about success under current conditions, ie playing in a league that has no appeal, he needs to change those conditions. It's human nature to not change something that no one wants changed, though, and there are only a handful of us who even see these issues let alone consider them problems so don't expect much movement on any front. John, I was under the impression he attempted to make changes that might've improved the football program. Does he get any props for that at all? It's not like SDSU is in a position to dictate terms to leagues or TV people. Not sure the expectations put on Sterk are realistic. I would like to hear concrete specifics on ow we make things better instead of all the vague talk being thrown around here.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 18, 2014 8:15:08 GMT -8
The AAC TV deal is worse than the MWC. It won't be for long, you can bank on that. Yes, it is incumbent upon the leaders---such as they are. It did not take us many years to climb out of the self-inflicted wounds. Hoke did it in two. Rocky has managed to bring some "stability", but lost the luster that Hoke created. The program is now drifting again upon a sea of apathy.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 18, 2014 8:19:22 GMT -8
No. It is incumbent on them to establish the conditions necessary for success: Hirsh needs to dissociate us to the greatest extent possible from terrible academic schools. He needs to work on making the school as selective as possible. We need alums with deeper pockets, and we won't start drawing them for at least ten years after he does what I've just outlined. Sterk needs to be selling this thing. We donate money; he gets paid to diagnose whatever problems we have and solve them as best he can. If he inherits an entrenched staff that is too comfortable to change its overall paradigm, then it's part of his $300K per year job to make changes in that staff. No one is perfect but I see ZERO substantive changes anywhere in those rooms. If he cannot bring about success under current conditions, ie playing in a league that has no appeal, he needs to change those conditions. It's human nature to not change something that no one wants changed, though, and there are only a handful of us who even see these issues let alone consider them problems so don't expect much movement on any front. John, I was under the impression he attempted to make changes that might've improved the football program. Does he get any props for that at all? It's not like SDSU is in a position to dictate terms to leagues or TV people. Not sure the expectations put on Sterk are realistic. I would like to hear concrete specifics on ow we make things better instead of all the vague talk being thrown around here. Sorry for the intrusion, but I don't have to trundle inside an outhouse to know that it stinks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 8:22:43 GMT -8
Edit: BTW, the primary reason we're screwed is because CBS has opted to choose us for waaaay too many games. So contrary to what L.A.Aztec thinks, we might not be a big ratings maker, but it's apparent we're superior to almost everyone else in our woebegone conference. So, the better we do in football the less we make in bonus money. Brilliant!!!!! I love this plan and this conference! I especially like how USU is already close to making Boise money. We are in battered spouse syndrome mode! Front Rangers fans and a number of others on the MWC board tout how much more MWC are capable of earning under the new TV deal. However, what most of them overlook is that it's only the ESPN deal, which didn't even exist a couple years ago, which is bringing in any new money. Other than the fact the CBS deal brings some - some - additional national visibility, it is abysmal. If CBS would commit to the same bonus provision that ESPN did, in addition to the half a million extra SDSU will earn from our game at Boise, we would be getting an additional $300K for each of our three Friday night games and have the potential for another half a million each for three other Saturday games. If we actually earned 2-3 million in TV money this year just for football as opposed to probably just an extra half a million, I'd feel a lot less heartburn about being stuck in the MWC.
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