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Post by laaztec on Apr 17, 2014 13:07:20 GMT -8
Nobody outside to SD cares about SDSU football and ESPN knows that. If SDSU brought in the the ratings SDSU games would be on ESPN. There is no hidden agenda. It's all about money. That's why most of the games are on CBSSN. No, the problem is the selection criteria from the networks. And what is that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:08:40 GMT -8
No, the problem is the selection criteria from the networks. And what is that? CBSSN gets first pick (outside of Boise HG's) so SDSU and AFA get artificially squeezed in the race for bonus money.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 17, 2014 13:13:20 GMT -8
We have a problem moving to higher ground and out of this MWC morass: Our program is being thrust down the river by tiny thinkers, Three Men in a Tub, who happen to also be the Three Stooges, Rocky, Sterky and Hirshy.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 17, 2014 13:14:07 GMT -8
No, the problem is the selection criteria from the networks. And what is that? CBSSN Get's the First 8 or 12 (Depending on the report) Picks of all the MW games sans Boise Home Games. After that, it goes one to CBS and then one to ESPN. So who does CBSSN pick, most of Boises Away Games that is why there is 3 Boise Away Games on CBSSN and then they need to pick up another 5-9 games. That is where the State Games and the Airforce games get gobbled up. We are on CBSSN 5 times. See how the system rolls?
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Post by laaztec on Apr 17, 2014 13:17:39 GMT -8
CBSSN Get's the First 8 or 12 (Depending on the report) Picks of all the MW games sans Boise Home Games. After that, it goes one to CBS and then one to ESPN. So who does CBSSN pick, most of Boises Away Games that is why there is 3 Boise Away Games on CBSSN and then they need to pick up another 5-9 games. That is where the State Games and the Airforce games get gobbled up. We are on CBSSN 5 times. See how the system rolls? I see. Even if it was even I don't think you would see that many more SDSU games on ESPN networks. SDSU just isn't a ratings winner outside of SD. Even though Boise is coming back to the pack on the field their name still draws eyeballs.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Apr 17, 2014 13:22:11 GMT -8
Well yeah I guess it's possible. (If you're being sarcastic I'm unable to detect it.) The issue isn't three or four OOC games...it's the wasteland of the next seven weeks that's gonna kill us. If it was about scheduling quality opponents, Sterk would have agreed to the Alabama/ESPN deal. Besides that, I really don't understand what everyone is bitching about. SDSU won't make a trillion dollars off TV bonuses this year, but atleast the games will be shown on national TV instead of some bullcrap online stream. Then again, this board would crash if there was nothing to bitch about. They were talking with Ohio State for that date, pick your poison, same money. I guess we could just "be happy" like some want or we can have cajones and vision, as has previously been debated here. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by laaztec on Apr 17, 2014 13:26:07 GMT -8
The MWC, AAC or Indy it's all football purgatory. Until SDSU lands in a P5 conference (Which many never happen) we are just going to fight over table scrapes with the other have nots. We could jump to the AAC or go Indy but it's just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic until the P5 life boat show up.
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Post by aztec70 on Apr 17, 2014 13:28:24 GMT -8
When will you guys realize that there is no alternative. For the for the near future it is only alternative. Make the best of it. How many of you locals are listening to the games on the internet (or TV ) instead of being at the game. I get to SD for at least one home game a year and I'm amazed that a number of posters in this thread a posting comment on the game threads instead of being at the stadium. Maybe if we fill up the stadium the additional revenue will give us more financial flexibility to hire a better coaching staff. Hope to see some of you in No. Carolina. With all due respect, you don't get it. People under forty aren't going to go watch these teams that come straight off our 1973 schedule. For my part I will never again go watch Fresno, San Jose, Utah State, etc. Why? Because I already sat through this minor-league nonsense when I was a child. We left them behind when I was EIGHT years old. Now, decades later, we've raised our skirt and bent over for the "opportunity" to play them again? No thanks. Not me. Over the course of 25 adult years, I already flushed more than $100K down a sinkhole supporting an athletic department whose aspirations are lower than even my VERY modest expectations. Given what has transpired since, I sure wish that money had gone to diabetes research. Unlike about five or ten thousand others, almost all of whom are over age sixty, I have no wish to revisit those days. Although those little DI-AA games were fun when I was six, I don't miss the Camelia Bowl. If I've moved past this, why hasn't the school leadership? The attitude that "there is no alternative" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's defeatist. What law says that we have to be involved with PCAA teams? Hell "U"NLV wasn't even good enough to be in the freaking PCAA until we left. Teams with 25K in the stands of a 70K stadium do not get invites to better conferences. If you want the team to go up, we all need to show up.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 17, 2014 13:29:08 GMT -8
We have a problem moving to higher ground and out of this MWC morass: Our program is being thrust down the river by tiny thinkers, Three Men in a Tub, who happen to also be the Three Stooges, Rocky, Sterky and Hirshy. I can't blame them anymore. Ultimately an employee is accountable to his customers. If his customers are satisfied, why should he change? Why? In reality he'd be foolish to change anything. Our situation is the fault of the fanbase. Au contraire . In my view, it is ALL on them. The fan base would have grown---as it has in the past--IF they'd acted aggressively and showed a scintilla of ambition and at least feigned enthusiasm for the football program.
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Post by RockNFish on Apr 17, 2014 13:32:36 GMT -8
www.themw.com/#!/news-detail/mw_14_m-footbl_sked_update1_04-10-14_uand3a 8 Appearances. 5 on CBSSN, 1 in ESPNU, and 2 on an ESPN/ABC Network. The Most Bonus Money we can collect is $1.0M Most likely only $500K, see the UNLV game being put to ESPNU. WoW, what a cluster. We absolutely got screwed. So nice to bere. I wouldn't say most likely 500k - not sure we'll be picked up for a saturday gameā¦ I'd say 50/50 at best we get anything at all.
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Post by RockNFish on Apr 17, 2014 13:33:26 GMT -8
TV for 3 interesting road games ? NC , OSU , and BSU Only mw home games count - we don't own the rights to osu and nc games.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 17, 2014 13:41:02 GMT -8
Au contraire . In my view, it is ALL on them. The fan base would have grown---as it has in the past--IF they'd acted aggressively and showed a scintilla of ambition and at least feigned enthusiasm for the football program. Oh I get what you're saying. All I mean that is there's no incentive for Sterk and Hirsh to do anything differently because the vast majority of SDSU fans are satisfied with their performance. There's something to that too. It's just that the fans need a jolt from someone or something to get them to even pay attention to the program. It's going to take that to start debriding the immense scar tissue that's been building for so many years.
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Post by uncledougy on Apr 17, 2014 13:45:26 GMT -8
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Post by 78aztec82 on Apr 17, 2014 13:45:52 GMT -8
Oh I get what you're saying. All I mean that is there's no incentive for Sterk and Hirsh to do anything differently because the vast majority of SDSU fans are satisfied with their performance. There's something to that too. It's just that the fans need a jolt from someone or something to get them to even pay attention to the program. It's going to take that to start debriding the immense scar tissue that's been building for so many years. Hoke was doing that before he stepped out. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by 78aztec82 on Apr 17, 2014 13:47:49 GMT -8
West Division. Best O'Rest.
Our interim step before the final P5 restructuring.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 17, 2014 13:50:55 GMT -8
There's something to that too. It's just that the fans need a jolt from someone or something to get them to even pay attention to the program. It's going to take that to start debriding the immense scar tissue that's been building for so many years. Hoke was doing that before he stepped out. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Yes he was. The atmosphere about and around the program was nearly palpable with energy. Another year or two could have really have changed the program permanently. Maybe even instilled some Viagra in the staid administration and coach. But...we limp forward.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 17, 2014 13:56:12 GMT -8
Yes he was. The atmosphere about and around the program was nearly palpable with energy. Another year or two could have really have changed the program permanently. Maybe even instilled some Viagra in the staid administration and coach. But...we limp forward. Hoke would have left sooner or later, so the issue goes far deeper. And we aren't limping forward...we're limping backward. Point taken. But I can tell you that I met Hoke once and I've met Rocky once. These men are like night and day. Hoke exudes energy, charisma and leadership. Rocky, well, I like the man. He's a good person.
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Post by laaztec on Apr 17, 2014 14:11:13 GMT -8
The MWC, AAC or Indy it's all football purgatory. Until SDSU lands in a P5 conference (Which many never happen) we are just going to fight over table scrapes with the other have nots. We could jump to the AAC or go Indy but it's just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic until the P5 life boat show up. You're wrong. The MWC and AAC are not equal. Not even close. The AAC is not the big time but when everything shakes out it will at least be considered a DI league. We aren't getting into a P5 conference, and the AAC will be the only "close-but-no-cigar" league. I agree. I think SDSU will end up in a "Best of the Rest" conference with the top MWC and AAC schools. I also agree that SDSU won't ever get into a P5 conference either. The "Best of the Rest" Football Conference will hang around for awhile but eventually will die off too because they won't have the budget to compete with the P5 schools.
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Post by laaztec on Apr 17, 2014 14:29:45 GMT -8
I agree. I think SDSU will end up in a "Best of the Rest" conference with the top MWC and AAC schools. I also agree that SDSU won't ever get into a P5 conference either. The "Best of the Rest" Football Conference will hang around for awhile but eventually will die off too because they won't have the budget to compete with the P5 schools. Let's hope it's about fourteen AAC's and two MWC's. I think the AAC could survive for a while mainly because the P5's need softer OOC games. I think the MWC teams will be SDSU, Fresno, Boise and UNLV if they can get their crap together. That would be a decent league but it's still second rate football. Even though I am a football fan first, the writing is on the wall, SDSU is a basketball school now. Which is fine with me. It's a great thing having at least one major sport compete at a national level. Football will never get to the national level because they are handicapped by not having the budget of the P5 schools. Unless a miracle happen and SDSU ends up in a P5 conference SDSU football will never reach the heights that Basketball has reached.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 14:46:12 GMT -8
So.... talking apples and apples... what bonus money will other members stand to get? By my really rough calculations, I'd say these are the minimums, with the possibility of more if games are picked up by The Mother Ship or TMS2: Boise: $2M USU: $1.6M Fresno and SJSU: $800K SDSU: $500K CSU, UNR, UNM and Wyoming: $300K AFA, UNLV and UH: $0 The difference between us and most of the rest of the league is that we have little chance to get anything more. For example, UNLV and Wyoming have the possibility of four $500K paydays, however slim their chances. Hawaii? They have the potential for ONE and IIRC, that's moot since for any big paydays UH gets the money simply goes into MWC coffers. The big winner this year? It's USU. Not only do the Naggies appear to be guaranteed the most income of anybody not named Boise, they similarly have the potential for four other 500 grand paydays. Craigy T. has apparently forgiven them for The Project. Edit: BTW, the primary reason we're screwed is because CBS has opted to choose us for waaaay too many games. So contrary to what L.A.Aztec thinks, we might not be a big ratings maker, but it's apparent we're superior to almost everyone else in our woebegone conference.
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