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Post by laaztec on Jan 12, 2013 8:53:41 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 9:00:50 GMT -8
Instead of "STILL leaning," it would be more accurate to say NOW leaning.
Assuming that's what is going to happen, I'll repeat my mantra that it's imperative not to allow a big increase in the exit fee. In that regard, it will be obvious which schools have no chance of bailing for a better situation since they'll be the ones pushing for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 9:02:36 GMT -8
What's our exit fee from the Big West?
Grrrrrr.
This is frustrating.
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Post by RB Aztec on Jan 12, 2013 9:03:39 GMT -8
What's our exit fee from the Big West? Grrrrrr. This is frustrating. $1.5 million |
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Post by standiego on Jan 12, 2013 9:19:38 GMT -8
let's sit back and wait for our AD and President to compare the deals between the BE and the MW- should have most of the information from BE( except TV money) . From the MW - is there a clear answer about the money with the BSU deal and does SDSU have the 75% vote needed to get back into. Would have been nice if the BE could have promised a South/West division for both Football and Basketball- to seal the deal.
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Post by 12414 on Jan 12, 2013 9:44:32 GMT -8
What's our exit fee from the Big West? Grrrrrr. This is frustrating. $1.5 million In the contract, our agreement to a $1.5 million exit fee should have been conditioned on the BW agreeing to our 14 game conference schedule. |
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Post by McQuervo on Jan 12, 2013 9:46:09 GMT -8
Our AD WILL put us in a positive position for growth. So far, thats his record.
Relax-as the Dr says, (ok I'm just a "Rev") "This MAY cause some discomfort" ;+)
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Jan 12, 2013 9:50:59 GMT -8
What's our exit fee from the Big West? Grrrrrr. This is frustrating. $1.5 million Outside of WVU has any school paid the full amount of an exit fee? These things always seem to get negotiated down. |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 12, 2013 9:57:17 GMT -8
Instead of "STILL leaning," it would be more accurate to say NOW leaning. Assuming that's what is going to happen, I'll repeat my mantra that it's imperative not to allow a big increase in the exit fee. In that regard, it will be obvious which schools have no chance of bailing for a better situation since they'll be the ones pushing for it. Come on SGF. You know our admin well enough to know that they've been leaning toward the CSU/WAC for a long while now. Absolutely gutless. I don't whatsoever. I think they are trying to put us in the best position they can for the long haul. Seriously. The problem is that it takes several schools to have the same vision at the same time to make it work Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 9:57:40 GMT -8
Instead of "STILL leaning," it would be more accurate to say NOW leaning. Assuming that's what is going to happen, I'll repeat my mantra that it's imperative not to allow a big increase in the exit fee. In that regard, it will be obvious which schools have no chance of bailing for a better situation since they'll be the ones pushing for it. Come on SGF. You know our admin well enough to know that they've been leaning toward the CSU/WAC for a long while now. Absolutely gutless. I'll begin by saying that, unlike some others, I respect your skepticism about SDSU athletics. They don't want to acknowledge it but your cynicism (which it often rises to) is based on a miserable track record of underachievement. That said, however, in this case you are simply wrong, John. I made a couple derogatory psots about Sterk myself in the immediately aftermath of Boise's announcement of returning to the MWC but everything I've heard since suggests Sterk has handled this as well as can be expected. It's not his fault the BE is run by people no more competent than those in the MWC's headquarters. I've heard from several people who at least to my knowledge don't communicate with each other. And putting all the pieces of info together, it's clear SDSU has tried its best to divest itself of the burden of remaining in the MWC. However, we're simply stuck there. For now only, however. Assuming it's announced in the next few days that we're staying in the MWC, I'll have a lot more to say about the future. As will others, I'm sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 9:58:38 GMT -8
Come on SGF. You know our admin well enough to know that they've been leaning toward the CSU/WAC for a long while now. Absolutely gutless. I don't whatsoever. I think they are trying to put us in the best position they can for the long haul. Seriously. The problem is that it takes several schools to have the same vision at the same time to make it work Well put, Stu. I agree completely. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 9:59:36 GMT -8
Outside of WVU has any school paid the full amount of an exit fee? These things always seem to get negotiated down. Not that I know of, and furthermore I doubt any court of law would oppose a school that refused to pay ANY "exit fee." You and I don't have to pay to leave wherever we're sitting right now. If you were at the beach and it suddenly got cloudy or rainy, your "exit fee" would be the opportunity cost of having sat in s#!++y weather all day instead of heading east. Another way to look at it: when you go to a restaurant, you pay for what you've eaten, not for what you might eat in the future. Schools and conferences do not have a consumer-producer relationship. Your analogies suck. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 10:00:01 GMT -8
Instead of "STILL leaning," it would be more accurate to say NOW leaning. Assuming that's what is going to happen, I'll repeat my mantra that it's imperative not to allow a big increase in the exit fee. In that regard, it will be obvious which schools have no chance of bailing for a better situation since they'll be the ones pushing for it. Come on SGF. You know our admin well enough to know that they've been leaning toward the CSU/WAC for a long while now. Absolutely gutless. Please tell me what this has to do with "guts". I think they are trying to be wise more than anything. |
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Post by retiredaztec on Jan 12, 2013 10:11:35 GMT -8
Come on SGF. You know our admin well enough to know that they've been leaning toward the CSU/WAC for a long while now. Absolutely gutless. I'll begin by saying that, unlike some others, I respect your skepticism about SDSU athletics. They don't want to acknowledge it but your cynicism (which it often rises to) is based on a miserable track record of underachievement. That said, however, in this case you are simply wrong, John. I made a couple derogatory psots about Sterk myself in the immediately aftermath of Boise's announcement of returning to the MWC but everything I've heard since suggests Sterk has handled this as well as can be expected. It's not his fault the BE is run by people no more competent than those in the MWC's headquarters. I've heard from several people who at least to my knowledge don't communicate with each other. And putting all the pieces of info together, it's clear SDSU has tried its best to divest itself of the burden of remaining in the MWC. However, we're simply stuck there. For now only, however. Assuming it's announced in the next few days that we're staying in the MWC, I'll have a lot more to say about the future. As will others, I'm sure. I totally agree with your assessment. Assuming SDSU remains in the MW for the foreseeable future, and yes it will probably create a new level of discussions on this board if they do, in the real world, perhaps the football program can focus on: - Conference championships- Double digit win seasons- Top 25 finishes |
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Post by uncledougy on Jan 12, 2013 10:21:29 GMT -8
We will be defending the MWC football title next year....get used to it!
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Post by dirtball on Jan 12, 2013 10:22:10 GMT -8
Come on SGF. You know our admin well enough to know that they've been leaning toward the CSU/WAC for a long while now. Absolutely gutless. Please tell me what this has to do with "guts". I think they are trying to be wise more than anything. +1 The admin wants to be in the Big East. This was going to be Sterks claim to fame. At the sametime, they need to due their due diligence. If at this point the Big East does not seem to make sense, what are they supposed to do? Ignore all the data, the consultants have provided? They know 100% more than anyone does on the subject. Calling them gutless without knowing the proposals makes him sound stupid as f*ck. |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 12, 2013 10:27:05 GMT -8
Come on SGF. You know our admin well enough to know that they've been leaning toward the CSU/WAC for a long while now. Absolutely gutless. I'll begin by saying that, unlike some others, I respect your skepticism about SDSU athletics. They don't want to acknowledge it but your cynicism (which it often rises to) is based on a miserable track record of underachievement. That said, however, in this case you are simply wrong, John. I made a couple derogatory psots about Sterk myself in the immediately aftermath of Boise's announcement of returning to the MWC but everything I've heard since suggests Sterk has handled this as well as can be expected. It's not his fault the BE is run by people no more competent than those in the MWC's headquarters. I've heard from several people who at least to my knowledge don't communicate with each other. And putting all the pieces of info together, it's clear SDSU has tried its best to divest itself of the burden of remaining in the MWC. However, we're simply stuck there. For now only, however. Assuming it's announced in the next few days that we're staying in the MWC, I'll have a lot more to say about the future. As will others, I'm sure. I agree that John's skepticism is earned through his observation and a memory of history. IMO it is a healthy viewpoint but occasionally off-target. One thing for sure, I read and glean his meaning when he writes. Don't always agree but worth reading. |
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Post by rick7g on Jan 12, 2013 10:36:52 GMT -8
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Outside of WVU has any school paid the full amount of an exit fee? These things always seem to get negotiated down. Not that I know of, and furthermore I doubt any court of law would oppose a school that refused to pay ANY "exit fee." You and I don't have to pay to leave wherever we're sitting right now. If you were at the beach and it suddenly got cloudy or rainy, your "exit fee" would be the opportunity cost of having sat in s#!++y weather all day instead of heading east. Another way to look at it: when you go to a restaurant, you pay for what you've eaten, not for what you might eat in the future. Really, "any exit fee". that is your legal opinion. Contracts mean nothing then. |
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Post by frustratedfan on Jan 12, 2013 10:40:53 GMT -8
Come on SGF. You know our admin well enough to know that they've been leaning toward the CSU/WAC for a long while now. Absolutely gutless. I'll begin by saying that, unlike some others, I respect your skepticism about SDSU athletics. They don't want to acknowledge it but your cynicism (which it often rises to) is based on a miserable track record of underachievement. That said, however, in this case you are simply wrong, John. I made a couple derogatory psots about Sterk myself in the immediately aftermath of Boise's announcement of returning to the MWC but everything I've heard since suggests Sterk has handled this as well as can be expected. It's not his fault the BE is run by people no more competent than those in the MWC's headquarters. I've heard from several people who at least to my knowledge don't communicate with each other. And putting all the pieces of info together, it's clear SDSU has tried its best to divest itself of the burden of remaining in the MWC. However, we're simply stuck there. For now only, however. Assuming it's announced in the next few days that we're staying in the MWC, I'll have a lot more to say about the future. As will others, I'm sure. If this is true, we are done as a Division 1A football program. That being said, please help fill in the blanks for me SGF. You obviously are more informed than I am so I need to understand what is going on. First, from a financial standpoint we all know that West Virginia, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, and Boise State have to pay exit fees to the BE. We have also heard where Aresco is entertaining selling the naming rights of the BE name to the Catholic 7. So even before we talk TV $$$ there is already going to be a truckload of money coming to the BE. On the other hand, Bozo (as you so eloquently labeled Hair Thompson) so thoroughly screwed up the TV deal for the MGC that even when they renogotiated it they threw what little money they had to Boise State just to keep them in the MGC. Consequently, it is very doubtful there is anything for SDSU. Yeah, people like Yoda can come on this board and "speculate" about money the MGC has to attract SDSU, but I highly doubt they have it. How long do you think we can survive as a football program on $600,000-$800,000 per year? Throw in the fact we have to pay a BW exit fee and possibly a portion of the Boise BE exit fee and it doesn't take a CPA to see going back to the MGC is a real loser from a revenue standpoint. Now look at the strength of each conference. Cinci, Houston, SMU, UConn, and Louisville (for 1 year) are a lot more impressive than Boise State, Wyoming, New Mexico, UNLV, Utah State, Fresno State, and San Jose State. It is a no brainer, the BE has better quality of competition. The Big12 and Pac12 would be more impressed with wins against Louisville, Cinci, Houston, SMU, and UConn than Boise and the seven dwarfs. So, if what Aresco says is true, (and I believe that it is), that the BE still wants SDSU I do not understand why you say we are "stuck" dressing up like Little Bo' Peep and getting on all fours and barking like a dog for Hair Thompson and those clowns in the MGC? Why are we forced to go back to the MGC when it appears on paper that the BE is a better deal? Why do we have to come back to the MGC "only on their terms" while Boise had money thrown at them? Why do we have to allow ourselves to be talked down to by that moron of a Commissioner and just take it when clearly right now we have a stronger athletic department overall then any other school in that sorry excuse for a conference? (That is a fact by the way) What you say makes absolutely no sense to me, but it is most likely because I don't have the information that you have. Can you please fill in the blanks for me so I can better understand why we are "stuck" in the MGC. Sorry, but I kind of agree with JYP on this. |
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Post by retiredaztec on Jan 12, 2013 10:46:42 GMT -8
We will be defending the MWC football title next year....get used to it! Be great if you're right. But 9 win seasons, sharing the championship, going to lower tier bowls while trolling around the top 25 isn't going to do much to capture the bandwagon crowd. Accepting that Aztec football is not "big time", it really needs to rise above the rest of the pack. If a school in Idaho can do it, there's really is no reason a school in San Diego can't. |
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