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Post by dirtball on Jan 12, 2013 11:03:39 GMT -8
You complain about going to the Big East.
You are now complaining about the lack of passion in the bandwagon fan? Did you see the schedule for 2013 with the big east? It was much more enticing and fun than any schedule we could have in the MWC.
You seem to $#!+ on SDSU athletics no matter what the situation is.
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Post by aztech on Jan 12, 2013 11:11:56 GMT -8
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Post by retiredaztec on Jan 12, 2013 11:20:29 GMT -8
You complain about going to the Big East. You are now complaining about the lack of passion in the bandwagon fan? Did you see the schedule for 2013 with the big east? It was much more enticing and fun than any schedule we could have in the MWC. You seem to $#!+ on SDSU athletics no matter what the situation is. I sense I've been a supporter of Aztec sports longer than you have and I've had to deal with ineptitude for a lot longer than you. The fact that I was a student during the "golden decade of football" during the 70's only exacerbates my frustrations. The schedule means nothing if the team doesn't win. To illustrate, there are allegedly "chinks in the armor" regarding Utah football and community support. Great schedule, big bucks, but if you don't win, who cares? And please, I'm have no complaints regarding the lack of passion as it relates to San Diego fans and Aztec football. We're not talking about Provo, Salt Lake City, Boise or any other cow town. We're talking about San Diego. If you actually give them a reason to come, they probably will. What will the attendance be tonight?
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Post by Azthetic on Jan 12, 2013 11:36:15 GMT -8
We will be defending the MWC football title next year....get used to it! Be great if you're right. But 9 win seasons, sharing the championship, going to lower tier bowls while trolling around the top 25 isn't going to do much to capture the bandwagon crowd. Accepting that Aztec football is not "big time", it really needs to rise above the rest of the pack. If a school in Idaho can do it, there's really is no reason a school in San Diego can't. Aztec football has come a long way in 3 years. We would have gladly taken three straight 9 win seasons and trips to bowl games 4 years ago, so give some credit where it is due. Are we there yet? No. We should win the bowl games and yes crack the top 25, but we are moving forward. If you don't see that, then I'm not sure what can be done for your ability to see the facts. As to your point about going to a better bowl game, how can anyone go to a better bowl game outside of a BCS game while in the MWC? Boise had legitimate shots at BCS games and got screwed. The same with TCU. Therefore, you can look forward to snore fests that nobody cares about like Las Vegas, Poinsettia, etc. in the future due to the contracts that the MWC locked themselves into. MWC has locked themselves into another bad contract? Can't believe that one.
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Post by socialsdsu on Jan 12, 2013 11:49:01 GMT -8
Looks like we have a small time AD unless the president is overiding him. . The last hope is MWC not voting us in, I hope this happens.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 12, 2013 11:53:24 GMT -8
You complain about going to the Big East. You are now complaining about the lack of passion in the bandwagon fan? Did you see the schedule for 2013 with the big east? It was much more enticing and fun than any schedule we could have in the MWC. You seem to $#!+ on SDSU athletics no matter what the situation is. I sense I've been a supporter of Aztec sports longer than you have and I've had to deal with ineptitude for a lot longer than you. The fact that I was a student during the "golden decade of football" during the 70's only exacerbates my frustrations. The schedule means nothing if the team doesn't win. To illustrate, there are allegedly "chinks in the armor" regarding Utah football and community support. Great schedule, big bucks, but if you don't win, who cares? And please, I'm have no complaints regarding the lack of passion as it relates to San Diego fans and Aztec football. We're not talking about Provo, Salt Lake City, Boise or any other cow town. We're talking about San Diego. If you actually give them a reason to come, they probably will. What will the attendance be tonight?At least, invoking the Utah model, they have a better chance of winning and competing at a higher level because of funding and visibility. We need to be best positioned to do the same. The best way isn't go skulk back and try to build on a meager budget with no visibility but position ourselves as best as possible. See: Rutgers. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by retiredaztec on Jan 12, 2013 12:02:52 GMT -8
Be great if you're right. But 9 win seasons, sharing the championship, going to lower tier bowls while trolling around the top 25 isn't going to do much to capture the bandwagon crowd. Accepting that Aztec football is not "big time", it really needs to rise above the rest of the pack. If a school in Idaho can do it, there's really is no reason a school in San Diego can't. Aztec football has come a long way in 3 years. We would have gladly taken three straight 9 win seasons and trips to bowl games 4 years ago, so give some credit where it is due. Are we there yet? No. We should win the bowl games and yes crack the top 25, but we are moving forward. If you don't see that, then I'm not sure what can be done for your ability to see the facts. As to your point about going to a better bowl game, how can anyone go to a better bowl game outside of a BCS game while in the MWC? Boise had legitimate shots at BCS games and got screwed. The same with TCU. Therefore, you can look forward to snore fests that nobody cares about like Las Vegas, Poinsettia, etc. in the future due to the contracts that the MWC locked themselves into. MWC has locked themselves into another bad contract? Can't believe that one. I can understand your position, from my perspective, the last three years, SDSU football has risen to a level of mediocrity from total ineptitude. The best they've done the last three years is share one conference championship and lose two out of three lower tier bowl games. In all the debates that have occurred, there's a real "apologist" attitude when it comes to the football team. Yes, one can argue the glass is half full, but I've seen nothing the last three years to REALLY indicate the program is truly going in the right direction. MW Bowl games? Who cares? You're thinking small. The new BCS could actually require more deligence as it relates to one of the "have nots" in a BCS bowl. That said, why couldn't Aztec football play in a BCS Bowl game if it earns the opportunity? AND THERIN LIES THE RUB!!
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Post by aztech on Jan 12, 2013 12:06:34 GMT -8
At least, invoking the Utah model, they have a better chance of winning and competing at a higher level because of funding and visibility. We need to be best positioned to do the same. The best way isn't go skulk back and try to build on a meager budget with no visibility but position ourselves as best as possible. See: Rutgers.Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Not Rutgers. We need to do what Louisville has accomplished. Academically we're rated above them, but below Rutgers.
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Post by k5james on Jan 12, 2013 12:08:57 GMT -8
Aztec football has come a long way in 3 years. We would have gladly taken three straight 9 win seasons and trips to bowl games 4 years ago, so give some credit where it is due. Are we there yet? No. We should win the bowl games and yes crack the top 25, but we are moving forward. If you don't see that, then I'm not sure what can be done for your ability to see the facts. As to your point about going to a better bowl game, how can anyone go to a better bowl game outside of a BCS game while in the MWC? Boise had legitimate shots at BCS games and got screwed. The same with TCU. Therefore, you can look forward to snore fests that nobody cares about like Las Vegas, Poinsettia, etc. in the future due to the contracts that the MWC locked themselves into. MWC has locked themselves into another bad contract? Can't believe that one. I can understand your position, from my perspective, the last three years, SDSU football has risen to a level of mediocrity from total ineptitude. The best they've done the last three years is share one conference championship and lose two out of three lower tier bowl games. In all the debates that have occurred, there's a real "apologist" attitude when it comes to the football team. Yes, one can argue the glass is half full, but I've seen nothing the last three years to REALLY indicate the program is truly going in the right direction. MW Bowl games? Who cares? You're thinking small. The new BCS could actually require more deligence as it relates to one of the "have nots" in a BCS bowl. That said, why couldn't Aztec football play in a BCS Bowl game if it earns the opportunity? AND THERIN LIES THE RUB!! Because you're a f****** moron, respectfully. You can't just snap your fingers and go from bad to good dipshit. Stop pretending to be an Aztec fan because you aren't.
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Post by Spud on Jan 12, 2013 12:25:06 GMT -8
I can understand your position, from my perspective, the last three years, SDSU football has risen to a level of mediocrity from total ineptitude. The best they've done the last three years is share one conference championship and lose two out of three lower tier bowl games. In all the debates that have occurred, there's a real "apologist" attitude when it comes to the football team. Yes, one can argue the glass is half full, but I've seen nothing the last three years to REALLY indicate the program is truly going in the right direction. MW Bowl games? Who cares? You're thinking small. The new BCS could actually require more deligence as it relates to one of the "have nots" in a BCS bowl. That said, why couldn't Aztec football play in a BCS Bowl game if it earns the opportunity? AND THERIN LIES THE RUB!! Because you're a f****** moron, respectfully. You can't just snap your fingers and go from bad to good dipshit. Stop pretending to be an Aztec fan because you aren't. I don't think he's saying we are supposed to be light years better than we are, but many on here hold up the Conf Championship as meaning we're ready to compete with the "big boys". Compare ANY of the games this season to the likes of 'Bama, Texas A&M, etc and its evident that we're not really that close to being other than a decent football team. But hey, we're at least winning which is a hell of a lot better than years past. So we got that going for us!
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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on Jan 12, 2013 12:30:07 GMT -8
I can understand your position, from my perspective, the last three years, SDSU football has risen to a level of mediocrity from total ineptitude. The best they've done the last three years is share one conference championship and lose two out of three lower tier bowl games. In all the debates that have occurred, there's a real "apologist" attitude when it comes to the football team. Yes, one can argue the glass is half full, but I've seen nothing the last three years to REALLY indicate the program is truly going in the right direction. MW Bowl games? Who cares? You're thinking small. The new BCS could actually require more deligence as it relates to one of the "have nots" in a BCS bowl. That said, why couldn't Aztec football play in a BCS Bowl game if it earns the opportunity? AND THERIN LIES THE RUB!! Because you're a f****** moron, respectfully. You can't just snap your fingers and go from bad to good dipshit. Stop pretending to be an Aztec fan because you aren't. Steve Fisher's first 7 seasons at SDSU: 1998 4-22 1999 5-23 2000 14-14 2001 21-12 2002 16-14 (plateaued?) 2003 14-16 2004 11-18 (fire Fisher now begins) Seems other popular programs on campus have had to rise from ineptitude to mediocrity. And one can argue that no matter how much we love our hoops team they still have not risen to an elite status by never being in a final 4. I hope that retired remembers all the plateaued and fire Fisher comments. It took us a long time, but it seems we turned that nonsense around. Hopefully the football team is following the same pattern.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 12, 2013 12:30:48 GMT -8
At least, invoking the Utah model, they have a better chance of winning and competing at a higher level because of funding and visibility. We need to be best positioned to do the same. The best way isn't go skulk back and try to build on a meager budget with no visibility but position ourselves as best as possible. See: Rutgers.Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Not Rutgers. We need to do what Louisville has accomplished. Academically we're rated above them, but below Rutgers. Rutgers parlayed their location and mediocre football program into a Big East invite back in the late 90s, they leveraged the financial windfall and improved scheduling, facilities and coaching to become a top 25 program, nothing due to excellence on the field or a superior hoops program. That garnered them another upgrade to the B1G, assisted by their academics. I like using their history as an example. Temple is another, they got a BE invite despite their atrocious football history, then parlayed that into a substantive upgrade in football quality, after the invite. I see no reason we can't leverage funding and visibility and grow from it. EDIT: None if the"earn it first" fans who want to stay in the MWC at all costs address these cases or scenarios. They're purely argumentative and don't care of the cost to the department. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by k5james on Jan 12, 2013 12:32:23 GMT -8
Because you're a f****** moron, respectfully. You can't just snap your fingers and go from bad to good dipshit. Stop pretending to be an Aztec fan because you aren't. I don't think he's saying we are supposed to be light years better than we are, but many on here hold up the Conf Championship as meaning we're ready to compete with the "big boys". Compare ANY of the games this season to the likes of 'Bama, Texas A&M, etc and its evident that we're not really that close to being other than a decent football team. But hey, we're at least winning which is a hell of a lot better than years past. So we got that going for us! Who here is saying we're on that level? Boise isn't even on that level. It's a process to get to that level, it doesn't happen overnight. We're building towards that. $#!+, it took Steve Fisher a decade to get to this level.
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Post by k5james on Jan 12, 2013 12:33:36 GMT -8
Because you're a f****** moron, respectfully. You can't just snap your fingers and go from bad to good dipshit. Stop pretending to be an Aztec fan because you aren't. Steve Fisher's first 7 seasons at SDSU: 1998 4-22 1999 5-23 2000 14-14 2001 21-12 2002 16-14 (plateaued?) 2003 14-16 2004 11-18 (fire Fisher now begins) Seems other popular programs on campus have had to rise from ineptitude to mediocrity. And one can argue that no matter how much we love our hoops team they still have not risen to an elite status by never being in a final 4. I hope that retired remembers all the plateaued and fire Fisher comments. It took us a long time, but it seems we turned that nonsense around. Hopefully the football team is following the same pattern. My point exactly.
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Post by retiredaztec on Jan 12, 2013 14:44:37 GMT -8
I can understand your position, from my perspective, the last three years, SDSU football has risen to a level of mediocrity from total ineptitude. The best they've done the last three years is share one conference championship and lose two out of three lower tier bowl games. In all the debates that have occurred, there's a real "apologist" attitude when it comes to the football team. Yes, one can argue the glass is half full, but I've seen nothing the last three years to REALLY indicate the program is truly going in the right direction. MW Bowl games? Who cares? You're thinking small. The new BCS could actually require more diligence as it relates to one of the "have nots" in a BCS bowl. That said, why couldn't Aztec football play in a BCS Bowl game if it earns the opportunity? AND THERIN LIES THE RUB!! Because you're a f****** moron, respectfully. You can't just snap your fingers and go from bad to good dipshit. Stop pretending to be an Aztec fan because you aren't. You know, hoping that this would be a mature sharing of opinions after so much dissension, I forgot there was a certifiable asshole like you on the board. Tell me, what WILL you do when this topic becomes yesterday's news. Get a life? Fortunately, as I listen to The Rippington's 25 Anniversary album, (f*ck I'm getting old!), as usual, I regard you as nothing more than a pimple on a pig's ass . Get a life, boy. All that said, regarding Aztec football. Many times this program has reached a crossroad where they have had the opportunity to make a solid statement, and the VAST majority of times, they've come up craps. The last was their last bowl appearance. In gaming it's said one hand can change your whole attitude. The Aztecs had a real chance for a twofer: beat BYU and post a 10 win season. If they had done this, I would be more optimistic about the program. But once again, they came up craps. At this stage, I couldn't give a flying f*ck if they remain in the MW or move on to the BE, (as unfortunately, do probably most of the San Diego Community). You want to l lose weight, burn more calories than you consume. You want to be relevant and respected, win football games that matter. Simple, isn't it.
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Post by k5james on Jan 12, 2013 14:52:42 GMT -8
Because you're a f****** moron, respectfully. You can't just snap your fingers and go from bad to good dipshit. Stop pretending to be an Aztec fan because you aren't. You know, hoping that this would be a mature sharing of opinions after so much dissension, I forgot there was a certifiable asshole like you on the board. Tell me, what WILL you do when this topic becomes yesterday's news. Get a life? Fortunately, as I listen to The Rippington's 25 Anniversary album, (f*ck I'm getting old!), as usual, I regard you as nothing more than a pimple on a pig's ass . Get a life, boy. All that said, regarding Aztec football. Many times this program has reached a crossroad where they have had the opportunity to make a solid statement, and the VAST majority of times, they've come up craps. The last was their last bowl appearance. In gaming it's said one hand can change your whole attitude. The Aztecs had a real chance for a twofer: beat BYU and post a 10 win season. If they had done this, I would be more optimistic about the program. But once again, they came up craps. At this stage, I couldn't give a flying f*ck if they remain in the MW or move on to the BE, (as unfortunately, do probably most of the San Diego Community). You want to l lose weight, burn more calories than you consume. You want to be relevant and respected, win football games that matter. Simple, isn't it. Ill still be here, calling you on your bull$#!+. You don't give a flying f x x x about SDSU period, so why pretend that you do? Find an Aggie/Ute/Cougar board to hang out on and have a circle jerk about how great of a state that hole is. Just because you're too dense to see the improvement on the field don't expect the rest of us to fall in line with your stupidity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 15:51:18 GMT -8
Please tell me what this has to do with "guts". I think they are trying to be wise more than anything. Well I know they are "trying to be wise." It's the definition of "wisdom" that's so subjective. It takes guts to go from that which is safe yet lackluster to that which offers promise along with the anxiety that often accompanies change. That which is novel is not necessarily better. You think that being in a conference with Tulsa offers us more than being in a conference with Fresno State. Two two are, for all intents and purposes, a wash and similar in prestige and TV market. But you are sick of Fresno State and want something new. I think our admin is smart enough to see through the perception of our local fans and determine what is best in the national landscape. There was no question that The Big East was clearly in our best interest when this moved first happened. Now I'm not so sure. Sterk's ultimate goal is to be in the "in group" when all the dust settles and he has to decide which conference gives us the best shot at doing that. Neither the MW nor the Big East is ever going to be in the big group. He has to decide which conference allows us to build our brand name and fan base big enough to where getting an invite can be possible. If they choose the MW then I trust them. They have given me no reason not to trust them.
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Post by gocoaztec on Jan 12, 2013 16:46:22 GMT -8
I'm in favor of the BE, but our leadership may have some inside information that there will be more instability in the BE in the near future. Maybe there is some truth to the rumors of more defections from the BE to the MW? If any school but SDSU defects from the BE to the MW, then there is no doubt that the MW has positioned itself to be the 6th best conference. If we go with the BE then we need to be sure that no school will leave the BE for any conference except one of the big 5. I'm not ready to give up on the BE, but I guess in the end we have to take the same position as Coaches Long and Fisher -- we'll play and beat whoever is on the schedule. Definition of Character: See "Aztec Fan".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 16:49:16 GMT -8
Sorry, but I just have to say it.
**** the BE. Fans of those schools are now coming out of the woodwork to say they never promised us a rose garden, or western division.
**** them and **** the Front Rangers too. We desperately need to create a new conference.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 12, 2013 17:14:38 GMT -8
Sorry, but I just have to say it. **** the BE. Fans of those schools are now coming out of the woodwork to say they never promised us a rose garden, or western division. **** them and **** the Front Rangers too. We desperately need to create a new conference. Agreed. It'll work but we need 2-3 schools to have the same courage. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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