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Post by junior on Jan 4, 2013 20:39:34 GMT -8
From 1953 to 2013 is 60 years by my arithmetic. Just take a look at the schedule below.
And tell me about changeā¦ I've still got hope.
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Post by monty on Jan 4, 2013 20:40:21 GMT -8
Now it has turned into "the fans that want the big east move donate the most, and have the most kids on the team". What a joke. How bout you make a compelling arguement without resorting to c*ck off. No, this is about people that only care about basketball only thinking about basketball while also forgetting that this league has had 3 years of being decent, we went between 07-10 fielding good teams that couldn't get into the tourney because of this league. This is about people that aren't willing to look at the big picture and see how much money is lost sending title ix sports around the mountains. This is about realizing that a line of demarcation is being drawn between segments of D1a and with a cut of 8mil between 12 teams AFTER Boise runs in and raids it and losing millions flying, then busing women's sports and baseball is going to destroy the entire program, and that includes your basketball. You all love basketball, but (8m - Boise raiding)/12 means: not being able to buy games, specifically not being able to buy any decent games, never being able to build a practice facility, not being able to compensate coaches and staff. You guys love basketball, the tv money in the MWC is not enough to pay Fish's salary. I hope you love bball, because if we are ever going to move forward and/or just sustain where we are ticket prices are going to have to go through the roof. That's what is meant by T-shirt fan - some, not all, just showed up because the bball team started getting press and refuse to see the problems boiling, refuse to see that football is what allows basketball to be at this level, that falling below the mendoza line in D1a is going to have dire consequences. But playing UNLV is fun and a lot of you can always take the tshirt off
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Post by rebelbacker on Jan 4, 2013 20:41:02 GMT -8
The one common denominator all those cities in the BE and MWC have in common is they don't care about SDSU. You guys are so fixated on the front range and you think they held you back and it is comical. Look in the mirror. Quit blaming everyone else for your problems. Answer this question for me and I'll leave you alone. You complain that you would starve under the MWC tv deal yet you have no idea what the BE can pay because NO ONE has offered them a tv deal. Considering you DON'T know how much money can be made under the MWC tv deal, and the BE has NO deal, how can you possibly know if you can make more money in the BE? It is not rocket science. Boise has their rights sold off separately and have an agreed upon system that allows them to almost be the sole beneficiary. That leaves everyone else to split the $8M with Boise in their to wet their beaks and whatever can be generated from the sale of the remaining rights. Seeing only the free range free loader games are going to be left, the value is marginal. CBS will pick up the teams with value (Market)' you know so more than the corner pump and go is watching. So there you have it, a two tier system with 9 schools fighting over $8M plus the value of the range (half a cow?). How could you pass that up? How is the range taking your dollars fun for Vegas? By your explanation I can see that you either don't understand, or don't want to understand, the restructured tv deal. So best of luck in the BE. But I have a feeling I'll see you back on the MWC Board in a few weeks.
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Post by dirtball on Jan 4, 2013 20:41:29 GMT -8
Now it has turned into "the fans that want the big east move donate the most, and have the most kids on the team". What a joke. How bout you make a compelling arguement without resorting to c*ck off. No, there are people that donate zero dollars but hand out calendars and their time and effort is valuable. The thought that there are people on this board who do not have inside information is wrong. My problem with the Tshirt fans is hat they don't support in any fashion any other programs at State either academic or athletic. Yeah I get it. But you're making correlation that fans that want us to go back to the mwc are these people. Which IMHO is bs.
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Post by monty on Jan 4, 2013 20:41:45 GMT -8
Women's basketball loses $1M a year. How is that sustainable? What choice does SDSU have? The MWC requires us to have a women's hoops team and Cal-NOW probably gives us no option anyway. Not fly them, volleyball, softball and soccer all around the mountains
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 4, 2013 20:42:42 GMT -8
Now it has turned into "the fans that want the big east move donate the most, and have the most kids on the team". What a joke. How bout you make a compelling arguement without resorting to c*ck off. No, this is about people that only care about basketball only thinking about basketball while also forgetting that this league has had 3 years of being decent, we went between 07-10 fielding good teams that couldn't get into the tourney because of this league. This is about people that aren't willing to look at the big picture and see how much money is lost sending title ix sports around the mountains. This is about realizing that a line of demarcation is being drawn between segments of D1a and with a cut of 8mil between 12 teams AFTER Boise runs in and raids it and losing millions flying, then busing women's sports and baseball is going to destroy the entire program, and that includes your basketball. You all love basketball, but (8m - Boise raiding)/12 means: not being able to buy games, specifically not being able to buy any decent games, never being able to build a practice facility, not being able to compensate coaches and staff. You guys love basketball, the tv money in the MWC is not enough to pay Fish's salary. I hope you love bball, because if we are ever going to move forward and/or just sustain where we are ticket prices are going to have to go through the roof. That's what is meant by T-shirt fan - some, not all, just showed up because the bball team started getting press and refuse to see the problems boiling, refuse to see that football is what allows basketball to be at this level, that falling below the mendoza line in D1a is going to have dire consequences. But playing UNLV is fun and a lot of you can always take the tshirt off Put it down fire fighter. Rack'em.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 4, 2013 20:48:33 GMT -8
Back to your tough language and an admonition to shut up. I must be hitting a nerve. So, tell me the transparent reality of our funding crisis. You think that California is in stable fiscal shape? Really? They've already choked LBSU and SJSU (who is fighting for their existence) and SDSU can't go on with this pittance for long. I noticed you reveled earlier in the possibility of SDSU football dying. Why? It is revealing. You certainly don't seem to care about every other sport in the department, other than mens basketball. I actually do. How much will the MWC actually pay us each year? Tell me! You can't because they won't put it out there. No need to get rude, by the way. Sorry you don't like hearing the truth. less directed at you and more towards the "YOU WILL WORSHIP THE BIG EAST OR YOU ARE NOT A FAN" crowd in general. the reality of our funding crisis? well, this year IN THE MOUNTAIN WEST, we won the fball conference with 9 wins, went to the P Bowl, won the bball conference, best recruiting classes ever, 9(?) championships overall, etc etc etc... and we ran a surplus with our s#!++y tv deal that's going to kill us. surplus, you say? yes, surplus. do i think california is in stable fiscal shape? this ain't no politics board, but with a supermajority in CA do YOU really think Democrats are going to cut funding for higher education? We may not be getting MORE state money anytime soon, but we won't be getting less. and as i said, San Jose is going to be dropping sports A LOT earlier then we ever would have to. If you think our fiscal problems are not fixable, then you should probably be worried about things other than college football. If our fiscal problems ARE fixable, then you gotta wonder why we would make a s#!++y decision for the sake of $800k a year. Wait, how much IS that big east contract worth, anyway? and find a post where i reveled in the football program dying...? you think i want football to DIE because I dont mind them in the MW? Football WON'T DIE in the Mountain West. And I don't think anything about the BE/BW move is in my own selfish, or the university in general's, best interest. But then again, I realize I'm just a fan, and don't call the "other" side out daily for being $hitty fans just b/c they disagree. OK, show me the plural fans calling you "not a fan." California's super majority will fund education, not necessarily CSU athletics. $800K is unsustainable. How's the basketball practice facility coming? We won 11 championships this year in 9 sports, more to come. That isn't sustainable. Sterk is owed a lot of praise for working his butt off to help the olympic sports but again, it can't continue. Part of that was on the football revenue turnaround started by Hoke and a huge donation by Ron Fowler. That won't last if we can't show some ability to generate alumni donations and other revenue streams. Again, the women's basketball program lost $1M last year. That is more that the MWC media revenue provides this coming year. Tell me how we sustain it.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 4, 2013 20:48:47 GMT -8
It is not rocket science. Boise has their rights sold off separately and have an agreed upon system that allows them to almost be the sole beneficiary. That leaves everyone else to split the $8M with Boise in their to wet their beaks and whatever can be generated from the sale of the remaining rights. Seeing only the free range free loader games are going to be left, the value is marginal. CBS will pick up the teams with value (Market)' you know so more than the corner pump and go is watching. So there you have it, a two tier system with 9 schools fighting over $8M plus the value of the range (half a cow?). How could you pass that up? How is the range taking your dollars fun for Vegas? By your explanation I can see that you either don't understand, or don't want to understand, the restructured tv deal. So best of luck in the BE. But I have a feeling I'll see you back on the MWC Board in a few weeks. I see it is all unicorns and rainbows for you.
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Post by aztec92 on Jan 4, 2013 20:49:21 GMT -8
A website is a brand. No one changes his website without a purpose. Could have something to do with the current "Big East" ~selling the name to the Catholic 7. That's going to happen eventually. Very likely could be, the catholic 7 hired a law firm today.
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Post by cpslograd on Jan 4, 2013 20:52:04 GMT -8
The one common denominator all those cities in the BE and MWC have in common is they don't care about SDSU. You guys are so fixated on the front range and you think they held you back and it is comical. Look in the mirror. Quit blaming everyone else for your problems. Answer this question for me and I'll leave you alone. You complain that you would starve under the MWC tv deal yet you have no idea what the BE can pay because NO ONE has offered them a tv deal. Considering you DON'T know how much money can be made under the MWC tv deal, and the BE has NO deal, how can you possibly know if you can make more money in the BE? It is not rocket science. Boise has their rights sold off separately and have an agreed upon system that allows them to almost be the sole beneficiary. That leaves everyone else to split the $8M with Boise in their to wet their beaks and whatever can be generated from the sale of the remaining rights. Seeing only the free range free loader games are going to be left, the value is marginal. CBS will pick up the teams with value (Market)' you know so more than the corner pump and go is watching. So there you have it, a two tier system with 9 schools fighting over $8M plus the value of the range (half a cow?). How could you pass that up? It's 12 million not 8, but other than that you're about right. If sds comes back on the same terms as Fresno it's a horrible deal. It's an awful deal for Fresno too. I just don't think you have a better option. But I understand why it's tempting.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 4, 2013 20:56:39 GMT -8
It is not rocket science. Boise has their rights sold off separately and have an agreed upon system that allows them to almost be the sole beneficiary. That leaves everyone else to split the $8M with Boise in their to wet their beaks and whatever can be generated from the sale of the remaining rights. Seeing only the free range free loader games are going to be left, the value is marginal. CBS will pick up the teams with value (Market)' you know so more than the corner pump and go is watching. So there you have it, a two tier system with 9 schools fighting over $8M plus the value of the range (half a cow?). How could you pass that up? It's 12 million not 8, but other than that you're about right. If sds comes back on the same terms as Fresno it's a horrible deal. It's an awful deal for Fresno too. I just don't think you have a better option. But I understand why it's tempting. How is the range taking your dollars fun for Vegas? It is $8 plus whatever you sell. But since all that is left is Range games, don't count on much.
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Post by cpslograd on Jan 4, 2013 21:00:01 GMT -8
No, it's twelve plus now. Doesn't make yor irritation any less valid though.
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Post by monty on Jan 4, 2013 21:00:38 GMT -8
Some of you are too naive to understand the TV deal
Package 1 Boise's home game possibly other games
Who decides where it goes: Boise and the MWC. So Boise can not be outvoted on where these games go (gee, I wonder with the bonus structure where these games are going). There is no assurance that these games have to pay out the 300/500k (x2/game?)
Package 2 All other games CBS has some amount of picks it can protect, at least 5, 15 has been most often mentioned, coloradoan reported it also works with CBS' partner networks (does that include NBC who has been it's partner, how about Root and TWC? who it partnered with this year) CBS and the coloradoan have reported this is worth 4mil and at other times 8 mil
Who decides?: the MWC, so no mwc team can guide these games anywhere without at least 6 other votes.
Package 3 Hypothetical, no one has even discussed this other than in the original press release saying the could sell 2 other packages besides the cbs one, but they also said the cbs package includes 'network partners' i.e. does this package mean nbc, or is nbc included in the other package.
As Orwell said in Animal farm: All animals are equal, some are just more equal than others.
Boise operates under the same hypothetical payout structure, but they are the only one that can block their games from going somewhere that they wouldn't receive bonuses, and every other game can be protected before being sold off - so how many games left are going to draw bonuses?
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Post by monty on Jan 4, 2013 21:02:32 GMT -8
No, it's twelve plus now. Doesn't make yor irritation any less valid though. link? So it tripped somehow?
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 4, 2013 21:04:30 GMT -8
No, it's twelve plus now. Doesn't make yor irritation any less valid though. Colorado says $4 and CBS says $8M. Just going with CBS.
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Post by Azpire! on Jan 5, 2013 8:32:39 GMT -8
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Post by laaztec on Jan 5, 2013 8:35:35 GMT -8
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 5, 2013 8:36:13 GMT -8
im so over all of us bitching about the back and forth. me, personally... leave my basketball team the F alone and do whatever the F ever you're gonna do with football. and other than my worthless opinion, just wake me up when it's over. I found this quote more fascinating as it festered. "Your" basketball team? Really? Yours? Pretty bold statement there. Why is it any more yours than say mine? I was behind the program way back, standing in the door at Pete watching the Joel Kramer's, Goetz's, Gwynn's the flirtation with Keith Lee when we got Mike Cage, and even back to the Vezie era play teams like Prairie View A&M to a few hundred fans. I was there with young Chet. I remember the original pep band, Swinko, the Mongons and a few others later try to give some interest to the men's program at it's ebb. Many of us were there when Fish was hired to a combination of excitement and derision, supporting the hire and arguing with the NTUs of the world trying to argue Fish wasn't able to take the team beyond a high-middle plateau. All the time being as supportive as we could be. Engaging the ADs after Fred Miller to stay the course, continually increasing our AAF donations to help fund the resurrection of football and hoops. So, when folks like you point your long bony finger in some form of derision or that we have some form of lesser standing of fans is amazingly patronizing, disrespectful and short-sighted. Some of us actually have a longer, stronger view of the larger picture that supports the entire athletic department in a very unstable and uncertain CSU funding coming nightmare that will sooner-that-later severally impact our entire program. We are invested for the long term and have been strongly behind the hoops program all along, welcome aboard our program, our team. We've been waiting. So, perhaps we have to work with an inverse situation for a couple years, strong OOC and weaker league in order to get us to a higher level. I prefer to not do that. I prefer to have a stable, strong all sports situation for all of our department, you know, the other 16 or so programs that also matter to us. Again, welcome aboard the fandom of hoops, we've been waiting for you!
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 5, 2013 9:04:45 GMT -8
Can someone explain the "T-shirt" basketball thing to me and what I means, I know it implies that they are new fans that only care basketball and want to stay MWC, but I wear a t-shirt when I go to the basketball games... does that make a t-shirt fan? lol Ziegler is the leader.
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Post by monty on Jan 5, 2013 9:16:41 GMT -8
Can someone explain the "T-shirt" basketball thing to me and what I means, I know it implies that they are new fans that only care basketball and want to stay MWC, but I wear a t-shirt when I go to the basketball games... does that make a t-shirt fan? lol Ziegler is the leader. Indeed. A Stanford grad that cares more about futbol than even t-shirt basketball is the ringleader.
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