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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 4, 2013 20:06:30 GMT -8
That isn't the point. The issue is survival at this point. A fair number of Hoops First fans aren't grasping that. No one has shown or tracked the actual amount that the MWC will pay the non BSU schools per year to play in the conference while Thompson and the rockies/front range presidents expand the league to remora. All that and a contract that gives the media owner the option to extend the contract until 2020. California is in a fiscal crisis. We had to furlough employees and we fired about a third of our coaches 2 years ago. We got a reprieve last year, not from increased revenue as much as it was from Ron Fowler to keep Brady Hoke here. That money was never fully matched last I saw. After it runs out, we will be back in dire straights. You can forget about the basketball practice facility that is planned. We won't be able to afford good coaches either. Back to second fiddle to a rockies school that is calling the shots. I could go on but you get the picture. If everything is as doom and gloom as you think than you have nothing to worry about. We will be in the big east. Women's basketball loses $1M a year. How is that sustainable?
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 4, 2013 20:07:05 GMT -8
Ya, there aren't people on this board that donate heir time and energy to run the Aztec Club. There aren't people on this board that have family members on the teams. Ya, there aren't big bangers who are in the Director's Cabinent or Circle of champions. We're all Tshirt fans. And all those that donate a couple thousand bucks, all those family members, and all those super special sweethearts are paid analysts and consultants. They have smart things to say just because they have family on a team. ..and as an addendum, the only person here i know is a family member (miners) doesn't really sit here and bitch about tv contracts all day. Oh, so everyone should post who their kid is on the team and the sport they play? To not know that say Ronnie Hillman's father posted on this board, Mr. slaughter (he played ball before 2010) posted on here, etc is naive. They aren't going to say hi I am Adam Dingwell's father for you. Director is $25K a year commitment and $50K commitment. Not a few thousand. But hey, we aren't all big bangers angling for snap dragon snugies. Maybe just maybe, some people that post here aren't Tshirt fans and do spend treasure and time to improve ALL programs at State, athletic and academic.
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Post by rebelbacker on Jan 4, 2013 20:10:14 GMT -8
Or you can fly 4 hours to Memphis, if you can get a direct flight, and play an equally horrible team. Or Tulane. Don't forget your great road trips in hoops to Fullerton, Riverside etc. You're right. What a great deal. You are right, can't wait to fly three hours to land in Denver and then pray to make it to Laramie or Ft. Collins via bus. Or the flight into SLC and then bus ride to cache valley. I wouldn't worry about getting a direct flight to Memphis, it isn't a 1 cow town out on the range. Who would pass that up over New Orleans or Memphis. The one common denominator all those cities in the BE and MWC have in common is they don't care about SDSU. You guys are so fixated on the front range and you think they held you back and it is comical. Look in the mirror. Quit blaming everyone else for your problems. Answer this question for me and I'll leave you alone. You complain that you would starve under the MWC tv deal yet you have no idea what the BE can pay because NO ONE has offered them a tv deal. Considering you DON'T know how much money can be made under the MWC tv deal, and the BE has NO deal, how can you possibly know if you can make more money in the BE?
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 4, 2013 20:13:09 GMT -8
And all those that donate a couple thousand bucks, all those family members, and all those super special sweethearts are paid analysts and consultants. They have smart things to say just because they have family on a team. ..and as an addendum, the only person here i know is a family member (miners) doesn't really sit here and bitch about tv contracts all day. Oh, so everyone should post who their kid is on the team and the sport they play? To not know that say Ronnie Hillman's father posted on this board, Mr. slaughter (he played ball before 2010) posted on here, etc is naive. They aren't going to say hi I am Adam Dingwell's father for you. Director is $25K a year commitment and $50K commitment. Not a few thousand. But hey, we aren't all big bangers angling for snap dragon snugies. Maybe just maybe, some people that post here aren't Tshirt fans and do spend treasure and time to improve ALL programs at State, athletic and academic. There are a lot of former athletes from Olympic sports on this board that actually care about the solvency of the department but don't make a big deal about their former involvement. There are a ton of donors at the Champion Aztec level alone. These folks care about more than just the basketball program but these folks were behind the sustainment of the department when all of our main sports were in the dumps. Some of these new hoops only fans don't understand the history of our department and all we've done to sustain it. They don't have the vision of the precarious nature of CSU sports.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2013 20:18:31 GMT -8
Oh, so everyone should post who their kid is on the team and the sport they play? To not know that say Ronnie Hillman's father posted on this board, Mr. slaughter (he played ball before 2010) posted on here, etc is naive. They aren't going to say hi I am Adam Dingwell's father for you. Director is $25K a year commitment and $50K commitment. Not a few thousand. But hey, we aren't all big bangers angling for snap dragon snugies. Maybe just maybe, some people that post here aren't Tshirt fans and do spend treasure and time to improve ALL programs at State, athletic and academic. that's just it, i don't really care who is who's dad, and who is dating which water polo player, and who donated $17k vs. $26k. bottom line, none of those things give you any more insight or relevance than anyone else on an Aztec message board. seems to me there are a small number of psotters on this board who think they have some knowledge the rest don't, simply because they throw out every thought they've ever had and call it analysis. those same people who wrongly believe they're superior when it comes to views on realignment come up with their own special jargon and think of themselves as better fans. sorry dude, you're just not. doesn't matter if you're sticking one of the women's bball coaches or have gone to two football games in your life or rode the bench for our football team or are adam goddamn dingwell himself. you are on a message board, not making decisions. you have no knowledge the rest of us don't. just because you want something doesn't make it better.
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Post by sdsu1975 on Jan 4, 2013 20:18:55 GMT -8
Oh, so everyone should post who their kid is on the team and the sport they play? To not know that say Ronnie Hillman's father posted on this board, Mr. slaughter (he played ball before 2010) posted on here, etc is naive. They aren't going to say hi I am Adam Dingwell's father for you. Director is $25K a year commitment and $50K commitment. Not a few thousand. But hey, we aren't all big bangers angling for snap dragon snugies. Maybe just maybe, some people that post here aren't Tshirt fans and do spend treasure and time to improve ALL programs at State, athletic and academic. There are a lot of former athletes from Olympic sports on this board that actually care about the solvency of the department but don't make a big deal about their former involvement. There are a ton of donors at the Champion Aztec level alone. These folks care about more than just the basketball program but these folks were behind the sustainment of the department when all of our main sports were in the dumps. Some of these new hoops only fans don't understand the history of our department and all we've done to sustain it. They don't have the vision of the precarious nature of CSU sports. I agree! It's like some Aztec fans have no clue regarding the economics of all this.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 4, 2013 20:19:31 GMT -8
You are right, can't wait to fly three hours to land in Denver and then pray to make it to Laramie or Ft. Collins via bus. Or the flight into SLC and then bus ride to cache valley. I wouldn't worry about getting a direct flight to Memphis, it isn't a 1 cow town out on the range. Who would pass that up over New Orleans or Memphis. The one common denominator all those cities in the BE and MWC have in common is they don't care about SDSU. You guys are so fixated on the front range and you think they held you back and it is comical. Look in the mirror. Quit blaming everyone else for your problems. Answer this question for me and I'll leave you alone. You complain that you would starve under the MWC tv deal yet you have no idea what the BE can pay because NO ONE has offered them a tv deal. Considering you DON'T know how much money can be made under the MWC tv deal, and the BE has NO deal, how can you possibly know if you can make more money in the BE? It is not rocket science. Boise has their rights sold off separately and have an agreed upon system that allows them to almost be the sole beneficiary. That leaves everyone else to split the $8M with Boise in their to wet their beaks and whatever can be generated from the sale of the remaining rights. Seeing only the free range free loader games are going to be left, the value is marginal. CBS will pick up the teams with value (Market)' you know so more than the corner pump and go is watching. So there you have it, a two tier system with 9 schools fighting over $8M plus the value of the range (half a cow?). How could you pass that up? How is the range taking your dollars fun for Vegas?
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Post by dirtball on Jan 4, 2013 20:19:52 GMT -8
Now it has turned into "the fans that want the big east move donate the most, and have the most kids on the team".
What a joke. How bout you make a compelling arguement without resorting to c*ck off.
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Post by hbaztec on Jan 4, 2013 20:20:19 GMT -8
You are right, can't wait to fly three hours to land in Denver and then pray to make it to Laramie or Ft. Collins via bus. Or the flight into SLC and then bus ride to cache valley. I wouldn't worry about getting a direct flight to Memphis, it isn't a 1 cow town out on the range. Who would pass that up over New Orleans or Memphis. The one common denominator all those cities in the BE and MWC have in common is they don't care about SDSU. You guys are so fixated on the front range and you think they held you back and it is comical. Look in the mirror. Quit blaming everyone else for your problems. Answer this question for me and I'll leave you alone. You complain that you would starve under the MWC tv deal yet you have no idea what the BE can pay because NO ONE has offered them a tv deal. Considering you DON'T know how much money can be made under the MWC tv deal, and the BE has NO deal, how can you possibly know if you can make more money in the BE? What we do know is we save on travel costs. Shipping our teams to WYO, CSU, and the other front range schools costs a lot of money. It will cost us $6 million to stay in the MWC, so we do know that.
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Post by dirtball on Jan 4, 2013 20:22:53 GMT -8
If everything is as doom and gloom as you think than you have nothing to worry about. We will be in the big east. Women's basketball loses $1M a year. How is that sustainable? I don't know. But I bet Sterk knows more about the athleticc budget than anyone here. When we decided to go to the big east, I played good soldier, and supported the move. Hopefully you guys will trust him if he thinks the mwc is our best oppertunity now.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 4, 2013 20:24:36 GMT -8
That the logo is gone, its just a logo A website is a brand. No one changes his website without a purpose. Could have something to do with the current "Big East" ~selling the name to the Catholic 7. That's going to happen eventually.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 4, 2013 20:26:30 GMT -8
Oh, so everyone should post who their kid is on the team and the sport they play? To not know that say Ronnie Hillman's father posted on this board, Mr. slaughter (he played ball before 2010) posted on here, etc is naive. They aren't going to say hi I am Adam Dingwell's father for you. Director is $25K a year commitment and $50K commitment. Not a few thousand. But hey, we aren't all big bangers angling for snap dragon snugies. Maybe just maybe, some people that post here aren't Tshirt fans and do spend treasure and time to improve ALL programs at State, athletic and academic. that's just it, i don't really care who is who's dad, and who is dating which water polo player, and who donated $17k vs. $26k. bottom line, none of those things give you any more insight or relevance than anyone else on an Aztec message board. seems to me there are a small number of psotters on this board who think they have some knowledge the rest don't, simply because they throw out every thought they've ever had and call it analysis. those same people who wrongly believe they're superior when it comes to views on realignment come up with their own special jargon and think of themselves as better fans. sorry dude, you're just not. doesn't matter if you're sticking one of the women's bball coaches or have gone to two football games in your life or rode the bench for our football team or are adam goddamn dingwell himself. you are on a message board, not making decisions. you have no knowledge the rest of us don't. just because you want something doesn't make it better. Your ignorance is illuminating. Who do you think Sterk and Elliot were talking to on Wednesday at the game? Did you know that certain donors get to go to HC luncheons and AD events. Like it was interesting to see Fred Dryer call out Schemmel at one event. But no, this is Tshirt nation.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 4, 2013 20:27:10 GMT -8
Oh, so everyone should post who their kid is on the team and the sport they play? To not know that say Ronnie Hillman's father posted on this board, Mr. slaughter (he played ball before 2010) posted on here, etc is naive. They aren't going to say hi I am Adam Dingwell's father for you. Director is $25K a year commitment and $50K commitment. Not a few thousand. But hey, we aren't all big bangers angling for snap dragon snugies. Maybe just maybe, some people that post here aren't Tshirt fans and do spend treasure and time to improve ALL programs at State, athletic and academic. that's just it, i don't really care who is who's dad, and who is dating which water polo player, and who donated $17k vs. $26k. bottom line, none of those things give you any more insight or relevance than anyone else on an Aztec message board. seems to me there are a small number of psotters on this board who think they have some knowledge the rest don't, simply because they throw out every thought they've ever had and call it analysis. those same people who wrongly believe they're superior when it comes to views on realignment come up with their own special jargon and think of themselves as better fans. sorry dude, you're just not. doesn't matter if you're sticking one of the women's bball coaches or have gone to two football games in your life or rode the bench for our football team or are adam goddamn dingwell himself. you are on a message board, not making decisions. you have no knowledge the rest of us don't. just because you want something doesn't make it better. That isn't it at all. It is about people who care are asking serious questions about solvency vs a couple folks trying to shout them down because all they care about is our basketball team staying in the MWC at any cost. That won't last forever. You can be short sighted or you can look for ways to cement recent gains for the long term. Frankly, I am no real fan of what happened recently to the BE so personally advocating again for a best of the west league. That is worthy of separate debate about the merits, reality and other possibilities. Investors care. Those that are invested care.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2013 20:28:11 GMT -8
Back to your tough language and an admonition to shut up. I must be hitting a nerve. So, tell me the transparent reality of our funding crisis. You think that California is in stable fiscal shape? Really? They've already choked LBSU and SJSU (who is fighting for their existence) and SDSU can't go on with this pittance for long. I noticed you reveled earlier in the possibility of SDSU football dying. Why? It is revealing. You certainly don't seem to care about every other sport in the department, other than mens basketball. I actually do. How much will the MWC actually pay us each year? Tell me! You can't because they won't put it out there. No need to get rude, by the way. Sorry you don't like hearing the truth. less directed at you and more towards the "YOU WILL WORSHIP THE BIG EAST OR YOU ARE NOT A FAN" crowd in general. the reality of our funding crisis? well, this year IN THE MOUNTAIN WEST, we won the fball conference with 9 wins, went to the P Bowl, won the bball conference, best recruiting classes ever, 9(?) championships overall, etc etc etc... and we ran a surplus with our s#!++y tv deal that's going to kill us. surplus, you say? yes, surplus. do i think california is in stable fiscal shape? this ain't no politics board, but with a supermajority in CA do YOU really think Democrats are going to cut funding for higher education? We may not be getting MORE state money anytime soon, but we won't be getting less. and as i said, San Jose is going to be dropping sports A LOT earlier then we ever would have to. If you think our fiscal problems are not fixable, then you should probably be worried about things other than college football. If our fiscal problems ARE fixable, then you gotta wonder why we would make a s#!++y decision for the sake of $800k a year. Wait, how much IS that big east contract worth, anyway? and find a post where i reveled in the football program dying...? you think i want football to DIE because I dont mind them in the MW? Football WON'T DIE in the Mountain West. And I don't think anything about the BE/BW move is in my own selfish, or the university in general's, best interest. But then again, I realize I'm just a fan, and don't call the "other" side out daily for being $hitty fans just b/c they disagree.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 4, 2013 20:29:06 GMT -8
The one common denominator all those cities in the BE and MWC have in common is they don't care about SDSU. You guys are so fixated on the front range and you think they held you back and it is comical. Look in the mirror. Quit blaming everyone else for your problems. Answer this question for me and I'll leave you alone. You complain that you would starve under the MWC tv deal yet you have no idea what the BE can pay because NO ONE has offered them a tv deal. Considering you DON'T know how much money can be made under the MWC tv deal, and the BE has NO deal, how can you possibly know if you can make more money in the BE? It is not rocket science. Boise has their rights sold off separately and have an agreed upon system that allows them to almost be the sole beneficiary.That leaves everyone else to split the $8M with Boise in their to wet their beaks and whatever can be generated from the sale of the remaining rights. Seeing only the free range free loader games are going to be left, the value is marginal. CBS will pick up the teams with value (Market)' you know so more than the corner pump and go is watching. So there you have it, a two tier system with 9 schools fighting over $8M plus the value of the range (half a cow?). How could you pass that up? How is the range taking your dollars fun for Vegas? Based on my (admittedly limited) understanding of Boise's deal, it's astounding that fans of the other MW schools seem to be oblivious of this little detail... that Boise's entire home slate is segregated from everyone else's and immune from being grabbed in "first right of refusal" owed to the CBS Sports piece of $#!+ network. So CBS Sports will pick up every game worth televising so those teams aren't able to sell them to a national network. After they're done, I doubt there will be much left if much interest/value to the big networks. Meanwhile... Boise is getting rich & fat because they don't have to play by that rule. Yeah... fun times.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 4, 2013 20:29:26 GMT -8
Now it has turned into "the fans that want the big east move donate the most, and have the most kids on the team". What a joke. How bout you make a compelling arguement without resorting to c*ck off. No, there are people that donate zero dollars but hand out calendars and their time and effort is valuable. The thought that there are people on this board who do not have inside information is wrong. My problem with the Tshirt fans is hat they don't support in any fashion any other programs at State either academic or athletic.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2013 20:31:31 GMT -8
My problem with the Tshirt fans is hat they don't support in any fashion any other programs at State either academic or athletic. don't like the big east? you're a $hitty fan.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Jan 4, 2013 20:35:06 GMT -8
Women's basketball loses $1M a year. How is that sustainable? I don't know. But I bet Sterk knows more about the athleticc budget than anyone here. When we decided to go to the big east, I played good soldier, and supported the move. Hopefully you guys will trust him if he thinks the mwc is our best oppertunity now. We don't know what Sterk is thinking. He is currently doing his due diligence. Frankly, I am not really wild about the nBE if they can't shore it up. I am certainly highly skeptical about how much money we'll get form the MWC. None of the basketball-only fans seem to care, as long as they get to stay in the MWC, even ignoring the reality of our budgetary crisis that caused us to leave for the Big East in the first place.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 4, 2013 20:36:24 GMT -8
even ignoring the reality of our budgetary crisis that caused us to leave for the Big East in the first place. how much money did we lose last year?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 20:38:45 GMT -8
Women's basketball loses $1M a year. How is that sustainable? What choice does SDSU have? The MWC requires us to have a women's hoops team and Cal-NOW probably gives us no option anyway.
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