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Post by danloc09 on Nov 15, 2012 18:13:23 GMT -8
Ok I get it, you blame Jamaal for the loss and you think he's bad for the team. End of story. Please tell me where I said I blame him for the loss? All I said was that I thought his technical was more costly than Kawhi's, period. If you want to put words in my mouth, go ahead. Is Jamaal "bad for the team?" Yep. Is he also great for the team? You bet. Danloc: I don't have to keep repeating something to prove my point. If you can't comprehend simple English, then I can't help you understand my point. Both were technicals that resulted in free throws and possessions for said UConn team. However, one was more costly and came at a worse time. I'll let you guess which one. In sports, there's this thing called "momentum." It's kind of hard to figure out, I know, but the next time you're at a sporting event or heck, just watching one on tv. Watch how "momentum" works for a team or a player. See how it "swings" and a team or player rides this unseen wave. And then oh, watch and listen to the crowd get involved and, in a team sport, watch how one by one, the players get engulfed in it and it starts affecting their play in a positive manner. It's contagious, yes, especially in crunch time with less than 10 minutes to go in a Sweet 16 game of the NCAA tournament... Condescending attitude aside, you're still wrong. One technical foul is the same as another. The Aztecs failed to score more points than Uconn, whether you want to blame that on momentum, or Jamaal, or a butterfly flapping its wings in Australia is up to you. I'd rather say that the Aztecs were outplayed by Uconn, and that one technical foul had very little to do with it. Heck, we even got really good looks towards the end of that game, but I'm sure we missed them because everyone was so down after Jamaal's tech.
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Post by monty619 on Nov 15, 2012 18:17:36 GMT -8
This...the middle finger, shoulder bumping and now the BS chippy stuff vs. the Cuse show he's more than willing to cross it. Guys who get close who never cross it are guys like Kobe and MJ. Kobe talks and complains more than anyone. He has also raped someone (allegedly) and tried to throw teammates under the bus during police questioning....but that's a separate issue.
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Post by Aztec Empire on Nov 15, 2012 18:21:12 GMT -8
Kobe talks and complains more than anyone. He has also raped someone and tried to throw teammates under the bus during police questioning....but that's a separate issue. Anyone else detect a tiny little bit of bias here?
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Post by monty619 on Nov 15, 2012 18:24:04 GMT -8
Please tell me where I said I blame him for the loss? All I said was that I thought his technical was more costly than Kawhi's, period. If you want to put words in my mouth, go ahead. Is Jamaal "bad for the team?" Yep. Is he also great for the team? You bet. Danloc: I don't have to keep repeating something to prove my point. If you can't comprehend simple English, then I can't help you understand my point. Both were technicals that resulted in free throws and possessions for said UConn team. However, one was more costly and came at a worse time. I'll let you guess which one. In sports, there's this thing called "momentum." It's kind of hard to figure out, I know, but the next time you're at a sporting event or heck, just watching one on tv. Watch how "momentum" works for a team or a player. See how it "swings" and a team or player rides this unseen wave. And then oh, watch and listen to the crowd get involved and, in a team sport, watch how one by one, the players get engulfed in it and it starts affecting their play in a positive manner. It's contagious, yes, especially in crunch time with less than 10 minutes to go in a Sweet 16 game of the NCAA tournament... Condescending attitude aside, you're still wrong. One technical foul is the same as another. The Aztecs failed to score more points than Uconn, whether you want to blame that on momentum, or Jamaal, or a butterfly flapping its wings in Australia is up to you. I'd rather say that the Aztecs were outplayed by Uconn, and that one technical foul had very little to do with it. Heck, we even got really good looks towards the end of that game, but I'm sure we missed them because everyone was so down after Jamaal's tech. Also, did everyone just forget that Kemba was walking over toward our bench for no apparant reason when he initiated contact and did a Master Acting job to get the T.....Yes, he baited and schooled a freshman in Jamaal...but it was still a punk move, as brilliant as the acting was. Kawhi's foul in the first half was just as bogus...No one gets T'd up for back and forth yapping that was going on....especially not a player who never gets into trouble. All that said, we had a chance down the stretch and UConn was the better team....the final nail in the coffin as I remember it was the brilliant leaping/reaching steal by Jeremy Lamb as we had some late momentum..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 18:24:20 GMT -8
Definition a Troll Urban Dictionary: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument. AztecMesa: One who posts opinions that the majority of members disagree with. Personal definition: Someone who continually posts unnecessarily strong opinions knowing that others will disagree in order to provide endless hours of useless argument.
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Post by monty619 on Nov 15, 2012 18:25:30 GMT -8
He has also raped someone and tried to throw teammates under the bus during police questioning....but that's a separate issue. Anyone else detect a tiny little bit of bias here? I don't care about Kobe, the Lakers, or the NBA in general...so no, not really. I just call it like I see it....I fixed to 'allegedly'..have no interest in debating that saga.
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Post by aztecfanatic on Nov 15, 2012 18:31:02 GMT -8
BBA, I seems that you just don't get that many, one could probably say most, of the posters on this board are AZTEC fans. We are fans of the whole team. Meanwhile, your agenda seems to be ..... talk up JF so that everyone will know how great he is and how lucky we are to have him. I really could not care less about Jamaal (or any other individual on the team) apart from the context of 'how can he help us win, how does he play his role'. You really do not come across as an SDSU fan at all; in fact, if in order to cast Jamaal in a positive light you have to put other Aztecs down, you seem to be willing to do that without a second thought.
I asked you in a post a long time ago (but did not recieve an answer), so I will ask once again. Will you still be interested in SDSU basketball after JF leaves? Because it is bizaare that you would post so much on here just to hype one player. Very strange indeed.
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Post by aztecgold on Nov 15, 2012 18:44:56 GMT -8
Here are my thoughts on the latest exchanges: After watching for a few years, here's is my assessment, Jamaal will never turn it down. Ever. He'll never back down from a confrontation and he'll always play close to the line. He won't cross it but he'll always have you questioning it. Believe it or not, coaches love it. They rather have players that they have to calm down rather than a player they have to rev up. You can't teach motor. Too often Jamaal's motor and fire for competition is mistaken for a bad attitude. That claim is unfounded. If he was a punk, it would show in his relationship with his coaches and teammates. Will he try to punk the opponent? Hell Yes. Notice, he goes for the head of the snake, not the weakest link. The Syracuse game would have a much different result indoors. I agree the Carrier Classic is a great event to honor vets, but it should be an exhibition game if they insist on playing outdoors. Since neither team could use it's full arsenal, the game is not worth analyzing from a basketball standpoint. However, through 2 games, our FT shooting is an embarassment. I agree with everyones conclusion that Chase is a better fundamental basketball player than Jamaal. It's not even close. Chase is about as polished as you can get for College basketball player. Jamaal is fundamentally flawed. With that being said, Jamaal presents a much bigger problem for the opposition than Chase does. In 2 games, he's already been to the line 22 times. His motor is off the charts. Once he combines his physical talent with sound fundamentals he'll be a great player. Despite the desparity in their fundamentals, Jamaal is SDSU's top producer on a regular basis. Chase has mastered what can be taught. Jamaal's talent lies in things you can't teach. Both players have equal opportunity to impress NBA scouts. Jamaal is a sound 1st Rd pick and Chase is a sound 2nd Rd pick IMO. I thought Dwayne Polee was a much better player than I'm seeing. He looks smaller than he did at St. Johns. Matt Shrigley made the right choice to Red shirt. If he were in uniform Fisher would be log jammed on the bench with Polee and Rahon getting the short end of the stick. I expect more from Deshawn Stephens. He has to do a better job finishing and making FTs. X Thames hasn't impressed me yet either. Skylar Spencers flop made me spill my drink! Hilarious. I wonder if the NBA sent him a "warning" just because... LBF just isn't in Fisher's Top 10 and he never will be. Not this year, not next year. Jamaal may not be a punk, but he acts like one on the court at times. His play against UConn cost us the game. UConn won the National Championship so you could say Jamaal cost us a chance at the National Championship or at least a Final Four appearance. Please don't compare him to Kobe because Kobe is a jerk. I am a big Laker fan, but that is in spite of Kobe, not because of him. Also, the people that love Kobe, love him because he was the best player in the NBA for many years and overlooked his faults. I don't really agree with that stance, but Jamaal is merely a good college player in the MWC, not the best player in the NBA. In fact his deficiencies were exposed against Syracuse and he would be foolish to leave for the NBA after this year. He needs a lot of work on his outside shot. He scores against slower big guys or goes over little guys who guard him. Syracuse which has plenty of big and fast players seemed to cause him problems. Well, that is what he would be facing every night in the NBA. Don't get me wrong, Jamaal is a good player who works hard to get better and SDSU needs him, but I just wish he would be more mature and show more class in the games. Polee is a PF with a SF's body. I think Shrigley redshirting is a mistake. Jamaal did not redshirt and although he did not get much playing time early in the season he came on and made some offensive contributions late in the season. I think Shrigley would pass Rahon eventually since he is more athletic and a better shooter. The team needs Stevens to play well since they are a small team. Not sure what type of player Johnson is but Spencer is very raw, especially on offense. If LBF wants to start or get more PT, then he should probably transfer.
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Post by danloc09 on Nov 15, 2012 18:46:44 GMT -8
Here are my thoughts on the latest exchanges: After watching for a few years, here's is my assessment, Jamaal will never turn it down. Ever. He'll never back down from a confrontation and he'll always play close to the line. He won't cross it but he'll always have you questioning it. Believe it or not, coaches love it. They rather have players that they have to calm down rather than a player they have to rev up. You can't teach motor. Too often Jamaal's motor and fire for competition is mistaken for a bad attitude. That claim is unfounded. If he was a punk, it would show in his relationship with his coaches and teammates. Will he try to punk the opponent? Hell Yes. Notice, he goes for the head of the snake, not the weakest link. The Syracuse game would have a much different result indoors. I agree the Carrier Classic is a great event to honor vets, but it should be an exhibition game if they insist on playing outdoors. Since neither team could use it's full arsenal, the game is not worth analyzing from a basketball standpoint. However, through 2 games, our FT shooting is an embarassment. I agree with everyones conclusion that Chase is a better fundamental basketball player than Jamaal. It's not even close. Chase is about as polished as you can get for College basketball player. Jamaal is fundamentally flawed. With that being said, Jamaal presents a much bigger problem for the opposition than Chase does. In 2 games, he's already been to the line 22 times. His motor is off the charts. Once he combines his physical talent with sound fundamentals he'll be a great player. Despite the desparity in their fundamentals, Jamaal is SDSU's top producer on a regular basis. Chase has mastered what can be taught. Jamaal's talent lies in things you can't teach. Both players have equal opportunity to impress NBA scouts. Jamaal is a sound 1st Rd pick and Chase is a sound 2nd Rd pick IMO. I thought Dwayne Polee was a much better player than I'm seeing. He looks smaller than he did at St. Johns. Matt Shrigley made the right choice to Red shirt. If he were in uniform Fisher would be log jammed on the bench with Polee and Rahon getting the short end of the stick. I expect more from Deshawn Stephens. He has to do a better job finishing and making FTs. X Thames hasn't impressed me yet either. Skylar Spencers flop made me spill my drink! Hilarious. I wonder if the NBA sent him a "warning" just because... LBF just isn't in Fisher's Top 10 and he never will be. Not this year, not next year. Jamaal may not be a punk, but he acts like one on the court. His play against UConn cost us the game. UConn won the National Championship so Jamaal cost a chance at the National Championship or at least a Final Four appearance. sigh
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Post by sdoc on Nov 15, 2012 18:50:25 GMT -8
You don't have to tell me how big my ego is. I already know.... It's HUGE. Thanks ;D The simple fact of the matter is that many people on this board (including myself) enjoy reading BBA posts. Other posters were even asking where BBA has been, so it is a fitting title given that people had started to wonder where BBA was. His post covered all the important topics we have all discussed recently. Just look how many pages this BBA post will get. BBA is the Zuma of this board in a good way.
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Post by jasweaver on Nov 15, 2012 18:53:23 GMT -8
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Post by aztecgold on Nov 15, 2012 18:59:00 GMT -8
Who would start a thread with the title saying they return? Like anyone cares.
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Post by BBA on Nov 15, 2012 19:07:58 GMT -8
Contrary to bias opinion, I am an Aztec fan. I want to see the team do well. I love the dynamics of this team and how they all share in the joy of each others success. I've never seen any bickering among the group, no finger pointing, not attitudes, just friends doing everything in their power to win basketball games. If you took me out of the equation, you'd still have a small group of Aztec fans that feel more comfortable ignoring the fact that Jamaal is the 3rd All American in program history, and instead, focus their efforts on highlighting his shortcomings. I'd rather highlight those things that make him an All American. It's nothing different than the excitement we get from following Chase Tapley's rise on the all time Aztec list. We could choose to argue that Chase isn't an NBA prospect, but what's the point? Fans are supposed to take the best aspects of their team and promote it to the world.
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Post by northcountymike on Nov 15, 2012 21:13:03 GMT -8
Contrary to bias opinion, I am an Aztec fan. I want to see the team do well. I love the dynamics of this team and how they all share in the joy of each others success. I've never seen any bickering among the group, no finger pointing, not attitudes, just friends doing everything in their power to win basketball games. If you took me out of the equation, you'd still have a small group of Aztec fans that feel more comfortable ignoring the fact that Jamaal is the 3rd All American in program history, and instead, focus their efforts on highlighting his shortcomings. I'd rather highlight those things that make him an All American. It's nothing different than the excitement we get from following Chase Tapley's rise on the all time Aztec list. We could choose to argue that Chase isn't an NBA prospect, but what's the point? Fans are supposed to take the best aspects of their team and promote it to the world. I'd be willing to bet a rather large sum of money that you're not, in fact, a fan of the Aztecs as a whole. How long have you been following this "team?" 2 whole years? How much longer will you follow them - maybe a year more, 2 tops? I, for one, want Jamaal to bolt to the NBA as soon as possible.... I challenge you to start a thread, no wait, participate/post in any thread and not mention Jamaal "Technical" Franklin. That is all.
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Post by mySTRAS on Nov 15, 2012 21:40:53 GMT -8
Contrary to bias opinion, I am an Aztec fan. I want to see the team do well. I love the dynamics of this team and how they all share in the joy of each others success. I've never seen any bickering among the group, no finger pointing, not attitudes, just friends doing everything in their power to win basketball games. If you took me out of the equation, you'd still have a small group of Aztec fans that feel more comfortable ignoring the fact that Jamaal is the 3rd All American in program history, and instead, focus their efforts on highlighting his shortcomings. I'd rather highlight those things that make him an All American. It's nothing different than the excitement we get from following Chase Tapley's rise on the all time Aztec list. We could choose to argue that Chase isn't an NBA prospect, but what's the point? Fans are supposed to take the best aspects of their team and promote it to the world. Feel free to use the words.... 'honorable mention' anytime you like.
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Post by Azthetic on Nov 15, 2012 22:12:14 GMT -8
Actually, he has already either crossed it or has come way too close to crossing it for comfort. What worries everyone on this board (and in the seats) is that a guy like JF is so used to tearing around with his foot all the way to the floorboard that he won't be able to find the brakes are when he needs them. Just sayin'. Otherwise, an astute assessment of the team. This...the middle finger, shoulder bumping and now the BS chippy stuff vs. the Cuse show he's more than willing to cross it. Guys who get close who never cross it are guys like Kobe and MJ. Kobe and Jordan never cross(ed) the line? Are you putting coke on your weed?
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Post by AztecBill on Nov 16, 2012 9:40:50 GMT -8
Contrary to bias opinion, I am an Aztec fan. I want to see the team do well. I love the dynamics of this team and how they all share in the joy of each others success. I've never seen any bickering among the group, no finger pointing, not attitudes, just friends doing everything in their power to win basketball games. If you took me out of the equation, you'd still have a small group of Aztec fans that feel more comfortable ignoring the fact that Jamaal is the 3rd All American in program history, and instead, focus their efforts on highlighting his shortcomings. I'd rather highlight those things that make him an All American. It's nothing different than the excitement we get from following Chase Tapley's rise on the all time Aztec list. We could choose to argue that Chase isn't an NBA prospect, but what's the point? Fans are supposed to take the best aspects of their team and promote it to the world. I'd be willing to bet a rather large sum of money that you're not, in fact, a fan of the Aztecs as a whole. How long have you been following this "team?" 2 whole years? How much longer will you follow them - maybe a year more, 2 tops? I, for one, want Jamaal to bolt to the NBA as soon as possible.... I challenge you to start a thread, no wait, participate/post in any thread and not mention Jamaal "Technical" Franklin. That is all. Last year he didn't play in the AFA game. Did that make you happy? How can you say he is not an Aztec fan but obsessed with a single player when you want our best player gone "as soon as possible".
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Post by northcountymike on Nov 16, 2012 20:36:24 GMT -8
I'd be willing to bet a rather large sum of money that you're not, in fact, a fan of the Aztecs as a whole. How long have you been following this "team?" 2 whole years? How much longer will you follow them - maybe a year more, 2 tops? I, for one, want Jamaal to bolt to the NBA as soon as possible.... I challenge you to start a thread, no wait, participate/post in any thread and not mention Jamaal "Technical" Franklin. That is all. Last year he didn't play in the AFA game. Did that make you happy? How can you say he is not an Aztec fan but obsessed with a single player when you want our best player gone "as soon as possible". *sigh* I didn't think I had to spell it out...Bill, I want Jamaal gone because his trolls will then follow suit. Besides, who wouldn't want a guy to leave for the NBA, pursuing a lifelong dream and make a ton of money in the process? You can always come back to finish school, but you can't always come back from a torn ACL... I wasn't happy when "we" lost the AFA game period. But saying if we would have had Jamaal for that game, we would have won, is like saying that he and Kawhi's technical fouls vs. UConn had the same consequences . As a side note, "best player" is sometimes subjective. Personally, I think he may be the best athlete on the team but I think the best overall player is Chase. ** Waiting for a new BBA poll: "who is the best player on the team" in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... **
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Post by northcountymike on Nov 16, 2012 20:40:46 GMT -8
Please tell me where I said I blame him for the loss? All I said was that I thought his technical was more costly than Kawhi's, period. If you want to put words in my mouth, go ahead. Is Jamaal "bad for the team?" Yep. Is he also great for the team? You bet. Danloc: I don't have to keep repeating something to prove my point. If you can't comprehend simple English, then I can't help you understand my point. Both were technicals that resulted in free throws and possessions for said UConn team. However, one was more costly and came at a worse time. I'll let you guess which one. In sports, there's this thing called "momentum." It's kind of hard to figure out, I know, but the next time you're at a sporting event or heck, just watching one on tv. Watch how "momentum" works for a team or a player. See how it "swings" and a team or player rides this unseen wave. And then oh, watch and listen to the crowd get involved and, in a team sport, watch how one by one, the players get engulfed in it and it starts affecting their play in a positive manner. It's contagious, yes, especially in crunch time with less than 10 minutes to go in a Sweet 16 game of the NCAA tournament... Condescending attitude aside, you're still wrong. One technical foul is the same as another. The Aztecs failed to score more points than Uconn, whether you want to blame that on momentum, or Jamaal, or a butterfly flapping its wings in Australia is up to you. I'd rather say that the Aztecs were outplayed by Uconn, and that one technical foul had very little to do with it. Heck, we even got really good looks towards the end of that game, but I'm sure we missed them because everyone was so down after Jamaal's tech. Haha, "I'm still wrong." Well, thanks for telling me that my opinion was wrong...heck, I even said "I thought..." rather than point blank saying something as matter-of-factly as you and BBA do. So, again, thank you for reading carefully. See, the difference is, I opine and leave it at an opinion rather than an opinion that I try to force on everyone else as a fact. To me, the second option seems more condescending...
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Post by danloc09 on Nov 16, 2012 22:39:50 GMT -8
Condescending attitude aside, you're still wrong. One technical foul is the same as another. The Aztecs failed to score more points than Uconn, whether you want to blame that on momentum, or Jamaal, or a butterfly flapping its wings in Australia is up to you. I'd rather say that the Aztecs were outplayed by Uconn, and that one technical foul had very little to do with it. Heck, we even got really good looks towards the end of that game, but I'm sure we missed them because everyone was so down after Jamaal's tech. Haha, "I'm still wrong." Well, thanks for telling me that my opinion was wrong...heck, I even said "I thought..." rather than point blank saying something as matter-of-factly as you and BBA do. So, again, thank you for reading carefully. See, the difference is, I opine and leave it at an opinion rather than an opinion that I try to force on everyone else as a fact. To me, the second option seems more condescending... Typing something on a message board implies it's your opinion dude
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