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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 19:23:58 GMT -8
I am sure this thread will rapidly deteriorate into a 'Rocky sucks/no he doesn't' thread but I thought I would ask a question to try to somewhat change the subject.
Given what you have seen this year from the staff and players, knowing the limitations that exist at this time (with both staff and players), and knowing who is remaining on the schedule - what would it take for you to become or remain comfortable with Rocky Long as the coach at SDSU?
Honestly, I don't have an agenda with this question. I was thinking about this myself and as an Aztec fan I am disappointed in the results thus far, as all are.
It would help if you were realistic in your answer like - 'win out and then win the LV Bowl' (vs a realistic team who would likely be there) - as opposed to an answer like, 'he'd have to win the National Championship' because obviously that is not possible and never was even if the Aztecs were undefeated this year.
My last thought only is that you should really honestly be able to come up with something otherwise it seems a bit unfair and please do your best not to attack someone because you think he is being too easy or hard on RL. It's just someones opinion so no one really can be wrong.
(Actually I do have an agenda, I am wondering how many posts it will take for this to turn into the 'rocky should stay/rocky should be fired' thread. I'm doing gambling research, kind of an over/under study.=)
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Post by Zuma on Oct 2, 2012 19:36:24 GMT -8
win out and win any bowl game that we get invited to.
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Oct 2, 2012 19:41:39 GMT -8
Go to a bowl game or Win @nevada or Win @boise St. or Finish the year 7-5
If any one of those 4 things don't happen, I think Sterk needs use the Winter to lay out some clear and detailed changes/goals for 2013-14 and if Rocky doesn't agree, then maybe it's time for a change. If Rocky is up to the task, then he knows what the team has to do next season in order for him to continue as head coach.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 2, 2012 19:45:14 GMT -8
I'm not sure I can be objective. It would be harder for me to call for his ouster if he did as Zuma is suggesting. The problem for me is that he is obviously not the solution to move the program forward with any major strides. With that as a premise, it makes sense to close out his tenure---perhaps gracefully---even if he were to win out and win a bowl. But that then brings us to the recruiting issue, but I'll leave that alone.
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Post by badfish on Oct 2, 2012 19:58:45 GMT -8
Win a bowl or I'd we lose a bowl, beat Boise.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 20:08:39 GMT -8
MAKE A BOWL GAME. THEN, HIRE A DEF. COORDINATOR.
WELCOME BACK FOR 2013, ROCK.
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Post by killiansc on Oct 2, 2012 20:11:01 GMT -8
Win 7 games this year and come back with 9 wins next year
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Post by monty on Oct 2, 2012 20:16:15 GMT -8
8-4 or 7-5 with a win @boise or Nevada and not lose to a sun belt or equivalent team in a bowl
So I guess my crazy demand is for him to beat one half way decent team every 2 years
I'd likely be fine if he just completely changed up his defense in-season and found something that could hold back the river for the rest of the season
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Post by myownwords on Oct 2, 2012 20:18:26 GMT -8
8-4 or 7-5 with a win @boise or Nevada and not lose to a sun belt or equivalent team in a bowl So I guess my crazy demand is for him to beat one half way decent team every 2 years I'd likely be fine if he just completely changed up his defense in-season and found something that could hold back the river for the rest of the season Sad isn't it?
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Post by Spud on Oct 2, 2012 20:48:47 GMT -8
Nothing. We need to get this program moving forward and even Rock finishing out strong is not going to get us to the next level.
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Post by uncledougy on Oct 2, 2012 21:01:57 GMT -8
Nothing. We need to get this program moving forward and even Rock finishing out strong is not going to get us to the next level. Simple, yet right on the money. Nothing can be done to make a positive long term impact. A leopard doesn't change their spots. Never has someone found the magic potion/formula after 40 yrs of being average at best. Its a rather simple concept if you put down the Rocky glasses and take a look around.
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Post by aztecjake on Oct 3, 2012 3:28:34 GMT -8
It would take the resources and tools that make college football programs a success. When I was employed in the pharmaceutical industry, our group was supplied with every tool and resource for success: vehicles, expense accounts, computers, all forms of office equipment, drug information resources and on and on and on. We could never blame the employer for our failures due to a lack of these tools.
Is the philosophy the same when SDSU's administration views Rocky and the program that he is trying to lead? How does SDSU compare to the top 25 programs in the country in this regard? Does the program receive financing for top coaches? How do our training facilities compare to say U of Oregon and what impact does this play in recruiting?
Give Rocky the tools, resources and financing to be competitive and successful in his line of business and let the man coach.
We may just be pointing our fingers in the wrong direction folks. One can only squeeze blood from a turnip for so long.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Oct 3, 2012 4:16:45 GMT -8
I want to see what Rocky can do for 3 more years. I will decide then, for myself, if he is the right guy. I was pleased with last year, and if this is one bad year out of 5, would feel he is the right guy.
All this reaction is so much like the "Fire Fisher" threads of the past.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 7:52:01 GMT -8
Three more years? Really? So you believe it takes five years to be able to evaluate the quality of a HC? Boy do I disagree with that.
As to Rocky, I'm with Josh. We need to get to a bowl game - and we need to play well rather than choking away a win - AND Rocky then needs to hire a DC. William deleted my thread about Joe Lee Dunn for some reason. However, why Rocky couldn't lure Dunn away from that tiny school he's now working at is beyond me. Dunn almost invented the 3-3-5 for crissakes.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 3, 2012 7:54:07 GMT -8
I want to see what Rocky can do for 3 more years. I will decide then, for myself, if he is the right guy. I was pleased with last year, and if this is one bad year out of 5, would feel he is the right guy. All this reaction is so much like the "Fire Fisher" threads of the past. I'm assuming that you're joking.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Oct 3, 2012 8:24:22 GMT -8
I'm good with Rocky as HC. But I'd be better with that at the end of/after the season if this is produced: a winning record; Beat Boise St or Nevada; SDSU, back-to-back bowls (under his tenure); drops micromanagement and gets a DC!
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Post by PowayAztec on Oct 3, 2012 8:27:55 GMT -8
7 wins and a bowl game. Preferably hire a defensive coordinator.
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Post by GothamCityRogue on Oct 3, 2012 8:28:48 GMT -8
Three more years? Really? So you believe it takes five years to be able to evaluate the quality of a HC? Boy do I disagree with that. As to Rocky, I'm with Josh. We need to get to a bowl game - and we need to play well rather than choking away a win - AND Rocky then needs to hire a DC. William deleted my thread about Joe Lee Dunn for some reason. However, why Rocky couldn't lure Dunn away from that tiny school he's now working at is beyond me. Dunn almost invented the 3-3-5 for crissakes. I'm with you on contacting and measuring Joe Lee Dunn's interest in being SDSU's DC.
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Post by monty on Oct 3, 2012 8:30:34 GMT -8
Three more years? Really? So you believe it takes five years to be able to evaluate the quality of a HC? Boy do I disagree with that. As to Rocky, I'm with Josh. We need to get to a bowl game - and we need to play well rather than choking away a win - AND Rocky then needs to hire a DC. William deleted my thread about Joe Lee Dunn for some reason. However, why Rocky couldn't lure Dunn away from that tiny school he's now working at is beyond me. Dunn almost invented the 3-3-5 for crissakes. It'll really be 7 and rocky long will be 67 funnin years old, what is he going to want to extend him into his 70s. good lord
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 8:58:31 GMT -8
Three more years? Really? So you believe it takes five years to be able to evaluate the quality of a HC? Boy do I disagree with that. As to Rocky, I'm with Josh. We need to get to a bowl game - and we need to play well rather than choking away a win - AND Rocky then needs to hire a DC. William deleted my thread about Joe Lee Dunn for some reason. However, why Rocky couldn't lure Dunn away from that tiny school he's now working at is beyond me. Dunn almost invented the 3-3-5 for crissakes. It'll really be 7 and rocky long will be 67 funnin years old, what is he going to want to extend him into his 70s. good lord YOU know you constant mentioning of age is rather disrespectful do you . I am sure Rocky is in better shape than about 80% of the guys on this board. Would you turn down Mike Bellotti.? because he is old. I am 66 and had cancer and other issuers I can still do everything I could before just not as fast. If Rokcy is not doing well coaching its nort his age but other issues. fIre the following Nick Saban 60. Gary Pinknell 60, Steve Spurrerior 66 Frank Beamer 65 BIll Snyder 72 George O Leary 65 TOM O Brien 60 Paul Pasqualani 63 Dennis franchione 62 Larry Coker 63 Norm Chow 64 Ellis Jonson 62 Franks Solcih 67 MIke Bellotti will be 62 in December so do not hire him.
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