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Post by AztecBill on Sept 25, 2012 8:23:27 GMT -8
At the start of the season last year, everyone knew JF was a talented kid. How far that talent would take him was subject to a wide range of opinion, but I don't think anyone was completely shocked to see him take off. That is totally unfair. No one thought Jamaal would do as well as he did. BBA came the closest and he was still under, although he took mega abuse here for his predictions that still fell short of the greatness that Jamaal demonstrated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 8:50:33 GMT -8
It's an honest question because you're saying Deshawn will be 1st team all conference. Billy was here for 4 years and as impressive as he was he never sniffed 1st team all conference. My question is, you clearly think he's better than Billy White. Since they play the same position, what makes him better than Billy White? Ok, let me state the obvious.... They play against completely different competition on completely different teams, with completely different roles so it's impossible to conclude anything based on Conference awards. With that being said, I'd rather have Deshawn than Billy White today, maybe Billy was better in College, but right now, I'd go with Deshawn. You have to see Deshawn play this season before any of my assessment makes sense. If you base you perceptions of him on last year, it won't make any sense. I'm not doubting you bro. I'm asking you for your honest comparison between the two. Is DeShawn a better rebounder? Does he have a better outside shot? Is he better at getting to the FT line?
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 25, 2012 9:06:17 GMT -8
Ok, let me state the obvious.... They play against completely different competition on completely different teams, with completely different roles so it's impossible to conclude anything based on Conference awards. With that being said, I'd rather have Deshawn than Billy White today, maybe Billy was better in College, but right now, I'd go with Deshawn. You have to see Deshawn play this season before any of my assessment makes sense. If you base you perceptions of him on last year, it won't make any sense. I'm not doubting you bro. I'm asking you for your honest comparison between the two. Is DeShawn a better rebounder? Does he have a better outside shot? Is he better at getting to the FT line? I'm going to say this and I want you to listen closely: Billy White is an all time Aztec great. Deshawn Stephen could have a 1st team All Conference type season and it still wouldn't compare to the excellence that Billy White demonstrate for the Aztecs during his tenure. As far as a direct comparison on talent is concerned, we must wait until Deshawn has earned starter minutes and see what he does with it. That's like trying to judge Jamaal vs. Kawhi based on Jamaal's freshman campaign. Time will tell all.
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Post by AztecBill on Sept 25, 2012 9:08:36 GMT -8
There has been a lot of talk about Chase and Jamaal. The main difference in their style of play comes when they drive to the basket. Jamaal seeks contact while Chase uses his very good body control to avoid contact and finish. Below is a table comparing their offensive stats. Reference | Player | Jamaal | Chase | 1 | Minutes | 968 | 1157 | 2 | 2 FGA | 243 | 262 | 3 | 2 FGM | 122 | 123 | 4 | 2 FGP | 50.2% | 46.9% | 5 | 3 FGA | 157 | 178 | 6 | 3 FGM | 51 | 77 | 7 | 3 FGP | 32.5% | 43.3% | 8 | 3FGA/Poss | 32.0% | 37.3% | 9 | FTA | 200 | 83 | 10 | FTM | 160 | 60 | 11 | FTP | 80.0% | 72.3% | 12 | FT-Trips/Poss | 20.4% | 8.7% | 13 | Points | 557 | 537 | 14 | Possessions | 490 | 477.35 | 15 | Possessions+TO | 585 | 532.35 | 16 | Pts/SA | 0.89 | 1.03 | 17 | Pts/Poss | 1.14 | 1.12 | 18 | Pts/Poss(TO) | 0.95 | 1.01 |
Reference line 18 shows points scored divided by possessions. Possessions for that stat included FGA + FTA * .45 + TO. Chase scored more points per possession. If we don't add Turnovers to the numbers ( Reference line 17) Jamaal was better mainly because of his high percentage of free throws per possession and good rate of converting them. Reference line 8 shows the percentage of possessions (no turnovers) that were 3 point attempts. Chase does shot more 3s 37% to 32%. I was surprised by Reference line 4. Jamaal was over 50% on 2 point tries. Considering the amount of contact he seeks, that is an amazing number. Jimmer drew fouls like Jamaal but when he was not fouled the contract caused his 2 point field goal percentage to be very bad. Bottom line is we are blessed with two very good players.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 25, 2012 9:15:20 GMT -8
There has been a lot of talk about Chase and Jamaal. The main difference in their style of play comes when they drive to the basket. Jamaal seeks contact while Chase uses his very good body control to avoid contact and finish. Below is a table comparing their offensive stats. Reference | Player | Jamaal | Chase | 1 | Minutes | 968 | 1157 | 2 | 2 FGA | 243 | 262 | 3 | 2 FGM | 122 | 123 | 4 | 2 FGP | 50.2% | 46.9% | 5 | 3 FGA | 157 | 178 | 6 | 3 FGM | 51 | 77 | 7 | 3 FGP | 32.5% | 43.3% | 8 | 3FGA/Poss | 32.0% | 37.3% | 9 | FTA | 200 | 83 | 10 | FTM | 160 | 60 | 11 | FTP | 80.0% | 72.3% | 12 | Poss | 490 | 477.35 | 13 | Points | 557 | 537 | 14 | Possessions | 490 | 477.35 | 15 | Possessions+TO | 585 | 532.35 | 16 | Pts/SA | 0.89 | 1.03 | 17 | Pts/Poss | 1.14 | 1.12 | 18 | Pts/Poss(TO) | 0.95 | 1.01 |
Reference line 18 shows points scored divided by possessions. Possessions for that stat included FGA + FTA * .45 + TO. Chase scored more points per possession. If we don't add Turnovers to the numbers ( Reference line 17) Jamaal was better mainly because of his high percentage of free throws per possession and good rate of converting them. Reference line 8 shows the percentage of possessions (no turnovers) that were 3 point attempts. Chase does shot more 3s 37% to 32%. I was surprised by Reference line 4. Jamaal was over 50% on 2 point tries. Considering the amount of contact he seeks, that is an amazing number. Jimmer drew fouls like Jamaal but when he was not fouled the contract caused his 2 point field goal percentage to be very bad. Bottom line is we are blessed with two very good players. Jamaal shot over 50% from 2. Smh, and most of his inside buckets were among the trees.
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Post by AztecBill on Sept 25, 2012 9:29:06 GMT -8
Jamaal shot over 50% from 2. Smh, and most of his inside buckets were among the trees. I agree. That is an amazing stat. I double checked it when I saw it. Many of his shot attempts didn't count because he was fouled, but getting contract which he always seemed to do should reduce his buckets significantly. It will be interesting to see if going away from 4 guards will change that. Who mostly guarded him last year? Did teams switch the defense to put a 3 on him? In any case, there will be more traffic inside with two bigger Aztecs instead of one.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 25, 2012 10:16:32 GMT -8
Jamaal shot over 50% from 2. Smh, and most of his inside buckets were among the trees. I agree. That is an amazing stat. I double checked it when I saw it. Many of his shot attempts didn't count because he was fouled, but getting contract which he always seemed to do should reduce his buckets significantly. It will be interesting to see if going away from 4 guards will change that. Who mostly guarded him last year? Did teams switch the defense to put a 3 on him? In any case, there will be more traffic inside with two bigger Aztecs instead of one. When Jamaal is battling inside, his quickness to the jump and his body control is phenomenal, that's why he's able to score in the midst of taller oppontents and beat bigger guys to the rebound. His aggressiveness and passion for winning the battle down low only adds to his productivity. If you put a smaller guy on Jamaal, it becomes childs play. Teams were guarding Jamaal with their 4 man, this is also the reason why he shot so many 3's because when guys were playing off, the shot was just too tempting. This year, teams will have to guard Jamaal with a wing player. If Jamaal is discipline enough to go to the rack instead of settling for the easy jump shot, he'll shoot over 50% overall and he'll get to the line more than any player in College basketball.
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Post by goaztecs on Sept 25, 2012 13:57:26 GMT -8
Stephens as first team? I saw him as being the 11th man on the roster this yr. but I've heard that he's improved a lot.
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Post by MonsterSiZiN on Sept 25, 2012 14:27:30 GMT -8
If I'm a UNLV fan I don't want Moser playing the 3 at all. Just FYI...that is highly unlikely. It's just natural reaction to even what we thought would happen...nope. Bennett is a MUCH better perimeter shooter ( Has great form www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uqT70AG67QA#t=77s ) and more natural 3 than Moser. People think because he's huge, 6'7 with 7'1 wingspan that he's automatically going to the 4. We'll see him at the 3 more than likely. And BBA, you couldn't be more wrong about player mindsets. Birch knows his role. Defense, block shots and rebound both sides of the court...he's not a scorer. Moser will be back at the 4. He's too strong rebounding and is perfect to start the running. The team will be behind Bryce Jones. He's "the guy" that will be doing the damage. Marshall has one thing in mind.. "Point Guard" Fans been bashing him, bloggers, news paper writers. Saying he won't make the transition...they all forget he was 2nd in the MWC in assists behind Bellfield. Look for him to step up. But, yes, chemistry is a factor...but player mindset couldn't be better. As to my opinion on the Aztecs. Stephens as 1st team is nuts. I can see him as most improved player possibly. I do think he'll end up starting over Johnson at the 5 come conference time though. X, JF, Tap and Obrien will probably be good in PPG. Need Shepard and Stephens to rack up rebounds, defense and blocks. I'm not sure on the roles of Polee, Shrigley, lil franklin and Spencer. Out of the four I think Polee and Spencer are likely to be the best producing for the season of the 4.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 14:36:39 GMT -8
If I'm a UNLV fan I don't want Moser playing the 3 at all. Just FYI...that is highly unlikely. It's just natural reaction to even what we thought would happen...nope. Bennett is a MUCH better perimeter shooter ( Has great form www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uqT70AG67QA#t=77s ) and more natural 3 than Moser. People think because he's huge, 6'7 with 7'1 wingspan that he's automatically going to the 4. We'll see him at the 3 more than likely. And BBA, you couldn't be more wrong about player mindsets. Birch knows his role. Defense, block shots and rebound both sides of the court...he's not a scorer. Moser will be back at the 4. He's too strong rebounding and is perfect to start the running. The team will be behind Bryce Jones. He's "the guy" that will be doing the damage. Marshall has one thing in mind.. "Point Guard" Fans been bashing him, bloggers, news paper writers. Saying he won't make the transition...they all forget he was 2nd in the MWC in assists behind Bellfield. Look for him to step up. But, yes, chemistry is a factor...but player mindset couldn't be better. As to my opinion on the Aztecs. Stephens as 1st team is nuts. I can see him as most improved player possibly. I do think he'll end up starting over Johnson at the 5 come conference time though. X, JF, Tap and Obrien will probably be good in PPG. Need Shepard and Stephens to rack up rebounds, defense and blocks. I'm not sure on the roles of Polee, Shrigley, lil franklin and Spencer. Out of the four I think Polee and Spencer are likely to be the best producing for the season of the 4. Sir, do you think UNLV can be beaten?
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 25, 2012 14:41:32 GMT -8
If I'm a UNLV fan I don't want Moser playing the 3 at all. Just FYI...that is highly unlikely. It's just natural reaction to even what we thought would happen...nope. Bennett is a MUCH better perimeter shooter ( Has great form www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uqT70AG67QA#t=77s ) and more natural 3 than Moser. People think because he's huge, 6'7 with 7'1 wingspan that he's automatically going to the 4. We'll see him at the 3 more than likely. And BBA, you couldn't be more wrong about player mindsets. Birch knows his role. Defense, block shots and rebound both sides of the court...he's not a scorer. Moser will be back at the 4. He's too strong rebounding and is perfect to start the running. The team will be behind Bryce Jones. He's "the guy" that will be doing the damage. Marshall has one thing in mind.. "Point Guard" Fans been bashing him, bloggers, news paper writers. Saying he won't make the transition...they all forget he was 2nd in the MWC in assists behind Bellfield. Look for him to step up. But, yes, chemistry is a factor...but player mindset couldn't be better. As to my opinion on the Aztecs. Stephens as 1st team is nuts. I can see him as most improved player possibly. I do think he'll end up starting over Johnson at the 5 come conference time though. X, JF, Tap and Obrien will probably be good in PPG. Need Shepard and Stephens to rack up rebounds, defense and blocks. I'm not sure on the roles of Polee, Shrigley, lil franklin and Spencer. Out of the four I think Polee and Spencer are likely to be the best producing for the season of the 4. Anthony Marshall is scary. He's a nighmare matchup for a point guard. He's probably the strongest guard in the conference. If Anthony Bennet has a perimeter game then UNLV will be a huge problem for every team in the country.
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Post by quickdraw on Sept 25, 2012 17:38:20 GMT -8
It's going to be another exciting season in MWC MBB again. Whoever thinks that they know how it will all play out is either fooling themselves or trying to fool others. Both SDSU and UNLV have significant incoming talent that still is unknown as to how they will develope.
To the point of All MWC Teams, it seems naive to ignore the highest ranked incoming freshmen in recent memory. He may have something to say about that.
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Post by danloc09 on Sept 25, 2012 19:58:49 GMT -8
If I'm a UNLV fan I don't want Moser playing the 3 at all. Just FYI...that is highly unlikely. It's just natural reaction to even what we thought would happen...nope. Bennett is a MUCH better perimeter shooter ( Has great form www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uqT70AG67QA#t=77s ) and more natural 3 than Moser. People think because he's huge, 6'7 with 7'1 wingspan that he's automatically going to the 4. We'll see him at the 3 more than likely. Hmm, that'll be interesting to see.
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Post by unlvrebeldog on Sept 25, 2012 20:27:26 GMT -8
Does anyone know if the SDSU/UNLV series is televised nationally this season. Two great teams going at it west coast style. I'm stoked.
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Post by quickdraw on Sept 25, 2012 20:41:05 GMT -8
Does anyone know if the SDSU/UNLV series is televised nationally this season. Two great teams going at it west coast style. I'm stoked. The first game is at Viejas on CBSSN, the second game at the T&M is on NBCSN
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Post by lvreb86 on Sept 27, 2012 22:57:30 GMT -8
Mike early on was planning on playing the 3 but it was pretty clear that Anthony Bennett is a much more natural 3. Bennett is probably the 2nd best 3 point shooter on UNLV behind Katin Reinhardt. Mike and Bennett will interchange but look for it to be Mike playing the 4/3 and Bennett playing the 3/4. Bryce Jones is the best player on UNLV. The matchup between Jones and Franklin is going to be epic this year.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 28, 2012 9:25:56 GMT -8
Mike early on was planning on playing the 3 but it was pretty clear that Anthony Bennett is a much more natural 3. Bennett is probably the 2nd best 3 point shooter on UNLV behind Katin Reinhardt. Mike and Bennett will interchange but look for it to be Mike playing the 4/3 and Bennett playing the 3/4. Bryce Jones is the best player on UNLV. The matchup between Jones and Franklin is going to be epic this year. I'm convinced that UNLV has too many conflicting talents. If Bennet is a perimeter player, how will they mesh Marshall, Jones, Bennet, and Moser on the perimeter? Great team defense will give UNLV hell. As good as Marshall is, he's not the type to consistently break you down off the dribble and make passes, when he goes to the rack, he's shooting.
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Post by danloc09 on Sept 28, 2012 9:30:45 GMT -8
Mike early on was planning on playing the 3 but it was pretty clear that Anthony Bennett is a much more natural 3. Bennett is probably the 2nd best 3 point shooter on UNLV behind Katin Reinhardt. Mike and Bennett will interchange but look for it to be Mike playing the 4/3 and Bennett playing the 3/4. Bryce Jones is the best player on UNLV. The matchup between Jones and Franklin is going to be epic this year. I'm convinced that UNLV has too many conflicting talents. If Bennet is a perimeter player, how will they mesh Marshall, Jones, Bennet, and Moser on the perimeter? Great team defense will give UNLV hell. As good as Marshall is, he's not the type to consistently break you down off the dribble and make passes, when he goes to the rack, he's shooting. I think they'll struggle in half court.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 28, 2012 9:35:55 GMT -8
I'm convinced that UNLV has too many conflicting talents. If Bennet is a perimeter player, how will they mesh Marshall, Jones, Bennet, and Moser on the perimeter? Great team defense will give UNLV hell. As good as Marshall is, he's not the type to consistently break you down off the dribble and make passes, when he goes to the rack, he's shooting. I think they'll struggle in half court. They'll have a different leading scorer every game, and when it comes to the end of close games, nobody will know who to defer to. Everyone will feel like it's their duty to get a bucket.
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Post by MonsterSiZiN on Sept 28, 2012 9:41:58 GMT -8
Mike early on was planning on playing the 3 but it was pretty clear that Anthony Bennett is a much more natural 3. Bennett is probably the 2nd best 3 point shooter on UNLV behind Katin Reinhardt. Mike and Bennett will interchange but look for it to be Mike playing the 4/3 and Bennett playing the 3/4. Bryce Jones is the best player on UNLV. The matchup between Jones and Franklin is going to be epic this year. I'm convinced that UNLV has too many conflicting talents. If Bennet is a perimeter player, how will they mesh Marshall, Jones, Bennet, and Moser on the perimeter? Great team defense will give UNLV hell. As good as Marshall is, he's not the type to consistently break you down off the dribble and make passes, when he goes to the rack, he's shooting. You're mistaken. Bennett isn't just a perimeter player. He does everything. Moser won't be stuck on the perimeter either. He has a great mid range pull up in the post with his high release at 6'8. In great team defense you have to pound the ball inside and spread the floor. Our new front court will allow that to be even more effective than what was done with Massamba. Marshall will be FINE. When he's going to the rack he's not only shooting. Who was 2nd overall in assists in the MWC behind Bellfield? SG Ant Marshall. A lot of these by muscling by his defender and kicking it out. Don't be surprised if he hits 7+ APG this season. It's his personal mission to prove people wrong. Also, with the "running" game you won't see a traditional offense. We'll have Moser or Bennett rebound and run the ball up. The best offense for athletes like these is to push the floor and not let team defenses set up. Bryce Jones will do a lot of our half court ball handling also. His basketball IQ is NBA ready and he's so hard to guard. He gets in the paint at will. Probably the best I've seen do that here at UNLV since Marcus Banks. The team is already unfolding under our eyes. Mendenhall practice facility here has given some fans here an incredible opportunity to see these guys run their own practices and improve as a team. They're getting there.
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