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Post by montyismyhomie on Sept 24, 2012 14:23:16 GMT -8
you guys can laugh at BBA all you want but he pretty much projected Jamaal's stats for last year perfectly. i don't agree with all of his predictions, especially the ones at the beginning of this thread, but i think he's spot on about deshawn and that he will surprise all of us this year.
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Post by Azthetic on Sept 24, 2012 15:23:55 GMT -8
SDSU has 3 gunners in Rahon, Tapley and Jamaal. 9 times out of 10, these guys will shoot first instead of pass. Tapley actually led us in shot attempts per game and overall shot attempts last year. This is why as a team, SDSU ranked near the bottom half of the nation in assist. The first person with a half decent shot was going to fire at will.... Where SDSU differs from UNLV is that our bigs understand that they are not the focal point of the offense. They know that their impact will come from doing the little things like defense, rebounding, taking charges, setting screens, etc. Xavier Thames seems to understand that his assist numbers are more important than his scoring totals. Rahon knows one thing..."shoot the ball". That's the perfect mindset you want from your shooter, especially if he's coming off the bench. Jamaal is a guy that I think will mature into an elite scorer that has the willingness to pass to the open man. Last year it was all about points for him, especially with having to come off the bench to start the season. He had the chip on his shoulder to prove he belonged in the game...that chip lasted all year. This season, I think we'll see a more content player who's focused on the task of winning. That doesn't mean he'll shoot less shots, it just means he'll shoot smarter shots and hand out more assist in the process. The onus is on Tapley and Jamaal to make sure the ball moves in the half court. If one is gunning, the other will follow suit. The big difference between Jamaal and Tapley is that when Jamaal ball hogs, he goes to the rack and gets to the line. When Tapley ball hogs, he only shoots jump shots. It will be interesting to see how this developes. Both guys came up big at times and over stretches during games to carry the team. When either one gets in a zone, then it's worth riding for a while. It's incredible to watch. Both want the ball and have ice water in their veins to take the big shot. I agree that Chase could go to the hole more, but he did so more than BBA sometimes gives credit for. Chase shot over 43% from 3 last year, so it is understandable why he would shoot from out there more often. I also agree that Jamaal can continue to improve ball control and playing smarter at times. He averages 1/2 an assist for every turnover and shot 32.5% from 3. He made some HUGE ones for us, but he also pulls the trigger on some that are questionable and out of the flow of the offense. I think he is poised for another big season. Will be interesting to see if he can win MWC POY again. Both play strong Aztec D. Overall, they compliment each other well on the court. Can't wait.
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 24, 2012 17:02:52 GMT -8
just a question, and not directed at this post. When Jamaal moves on, and is playing 82 games a year, will you identify who you are? I'll identify myself when it makes sense for everyone on the board to do the same. Deal? I'm ready!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 17:26:00 GMT -8
BBA what do you think Makes Deshawn Stephens better than someone like Billy White?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 17:46:15 GMT -8
SDSU has 3 gunners in Rahon, Tapley and Jamaal. 9 times out of 10, these guys will shoot first instead of pass. Tapley actually led us in shot attempts per game and overall shot attempts last year. This is why as a team, SDSU ranked near the bottom half of the nation in assist. The first person with a half decent shot was going to fire at will.... This is actually not true. Jamaal lead us in shot attempts. But if a player is fouled and goes to the FT line, then they do not count that in the FG attempted category. Jamaal is much better at getting to the line than Tapley so a lot of his shot attempts are hidden in "FT attempts"
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Post by danloc09 on Sept 24, 2012 18:12:07 GMT -8
SDSU has 3 gunners in Rahon, Tapley and Jamaal. 9 times out of 10, these guys will shoot first instead of pass. Tapley actually led us in shot attempts per game and overall shot attempts last year. This is why as a team, SDSU ranked near the bottom half of the nation in assist. The first person with a half decent shot was going to fire at will.... This is actually not true. Jamaal lead us in shot attempts. But if a player is fouled and goes to the FT line, then they do not count that in the FG attempted category. Jamaal is much better at getting to the line than Tapley so a lot of his shot attempts are hidden in "FT attempts" Tapley also played more minutes. Jamaal shot more when he was on the court.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 20:42:21 GMT -8
You can chose when you want to ignore stats. If a player makes a good pass but the teammate doesn't make the shot, you can't give him credit for assist. Therefore, if a player gets fouled on a shot, it doesn't count as a shot attempt. The rules are the rules.
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Post by danloc09 on Sept 24, 2012 21:15:23 GMT -8
Shots on a per minute basis Tapley - .38 Jamaal - .41
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 21:19:07 GMT -8
Shots on a per minute basis Tapley - .38 Jamaal - .41 That's pretty close. Considering Chase averaged more minutes, it's clear to see that he averaged more shots. Not a big deal, its just the statistics.
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Post by danloc09 on Sept 24, 2012 21:22:51 GMT -8
Shots on a per minute basis Tapley - .38 Jamaal - .41 That's pretty close. Considering Chase averaged more minutes, it's clear to see that he averaged more shots. Not a big deal, its just the statistics. Not per minute he didnt is my point.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 21:29:53 GMT -8
That's pretty close. Considering Chase averaged more minutes, it's clear to see that he averaged more shots. Not a big deal, its just the statistics. Not per minute he didnt is my point. It you break down the stats on a per minute basis then Jamaal's numbers become more impressive accross the board. Except for turnovers...
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 21:30:27 GMT -8
BBA what do you think Makes Deshawn Stephens better than someone like Billy White? I'm lost. Where did this question come from?
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Post by danloc09 on Sept 24, 2012 21:32:53 GMT -8
Not per minute he didnt is my point. It you break down the stats on a per minute basis then Jamaal's numbers become more impressive accross the board. Except for turnovers... And assists. And shooting percentages. And steals. They're both really good. Chase is better at some things. Jamaal is better at other things.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 21:36:21 GMT -8
It you break down the stats on a per minute basis then Jamaal's numbers become more impressive accross the board. Except for turnovers... And assists. And shooting percentages. And steals. They're both really good. Chase is better at some things. Jamaal is better at other things. This wasn't meant to be a comparrison. There is only 1 NBA prospect out of the two so the comparrison is completely irrelevant.
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Post by danloc09 on Sept 24, 2012 21:43:20 GMT -8
And assists. And shooting percentages. And steals. They're both really good. Chase is better at some things. Jamaal is better at other things. This wasn't meant to be a comparrison. There is only 1 NBA prospect out of the two so the comparrison is completely irrelevant. Haha what does that have to with this season?
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 22:11:28 GMT -8
This wasn't meant to be a comparrison. There is only 1 NBA prospect out of the two so the comparrison is completely irrelevant. Haha what does that have to with this season? Absolutely nothing. So the comparison is a waste of time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 7:35:34 GMT -8
BBA what do you think Makes Deshawn Stephens better than someone like Billy White? I'm lost. Where did this question come from? It's an honest question because you're saying Deshawn will be 1st team all conference. Billy was here for 4 years and as impressive as he was he never sniffed 1st team all conference. My question is, you clearly think he's better than Billy White. Since they play the same position, what makes him better than Billy White?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 7:36:32 GMT -8
Haha what does that have to with this season? Absolutely nothing. So the comparison is a waste of time. You only deem it a "waste of time" when Chase's stats are better. You are clearly interested in comparing them when Jamaal's stats are superior: Not per minute he didnt is my point. It you break down the stats on a per minute basis then Jamaal's numbers become more impressive accross the board. Except for turnovers...
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 25, 2012 7:48:22 GMT -8
I'm lost. Where did this question come from? It's an honest question because you're saying Deshawn will be 1st team all conference. Billy was here for 4 years and as impressive as he was he never sniffed 1st team all conference. My question is, you clearly think he's better than Billy White. Since they play the same position, what makes him better than Billy White? Ok, let me state the obvious.... They play against completely different competition on completely different teams, with completely different roles so it's impossible to conclude anything based on Conference awards. With that being said, I'd rather have Deshawn than Billy White today, maybe Billy was better in College, but right now, I'd go with Deshawn. You have to see Deshawn play this season before any of my assessment makes sense. If you base you perceptions of him on last year, it won't make any sense.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 25, 2012 7:52:34 GMT -8
Absolutely nothing. So the comparison is a waste of time. You only deem it a "waste of time" when Chase's stats are better. You are clearly interested in comparing them when Jamaal's stats are superior: It you break down the stats on a per minute basis then Jamaal's numbers become more impressive accross the board. Except for turnovers... [/quote] We can compare them across the board but the easiest thing to do would be to start at the Top. They both play SG, one is the reigning Conference MVP, All American Honorable mention, and Preseason All American, the other is Chase Tapley. So why waist time comparing things that don't matter? Both are needed for us to win.
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