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Post by RB Aztec on Sept 23, 2012 13:33:15 GMT -8
I don't think Deshawn will even start for SDSU, so that is a pretty bold statement you are making with him as a first teamer. This. That prediction was perplexing, at the very least. |
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Post by coolstorybro on Sept 23, 2012 13:38:46 GMT -8
I believe the time Obrien/Polee/Johnson have spent with the team and developing chemistry with the returning players prevents the freshmen from playing major minutes. I do believe though that as the season nears march Shep will have an impact similar to Jamaal his freshman year.
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Post by therealeman on Sept 23, 2012 13:42:03 GMT -8
So are BOTH Spencer and Shrigley redshirting then? Please.  |
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 23, 2012 13:47:20 GMT -8
I don't think Deshawn will even start for SDSU, so that is a pretty bold statement you are making with him as a first teamer. This. That prediction was perplexing, at the very least. I completely understand your being perplexed. I really do. But just sit back and watch my predictions come into fruition. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2012 13:47:27 GMT -8
What do you think Winston is going to have to do to crack your top 8 ? ? Be better than Polee and James Rahon. DUH!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 23, 2012 13:49:04 GMT -8
I believe the time Obrien/Polee/Johnson have spent with the team and developing chemistry with the returning players prevents the freshmen from playing major minutes. I do believe though that as the season nears march Shep will have an impact similar to Jamaal his freshman year. Jamaal averaged 6 mpg, even in games where he seem like he made an impact, it was still less than 10 mins of playing time. So you may be right on. |
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 23, 2012 13:50:27 GMT -8
So are BOTH Spencer and Shrigley redshirting then? Please. Shrigley is better than Shepard. It's going to be interesting #8-12 plays itself out. |
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 23, 2012 13:51:08 GMT -8
Be better than Polee and James Rahon. DUH!!!!!!!!! I was thinking the same thing, dumb question, obvious answer. |
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Post by monty619 on Sept 23, 2012 17:50:07 GMT -8
So are BOTH Spencer and Shrigley redshirting then? Please. Shrigley is better than Shepard. It's going to be interesting #8-12 plays itself out. Credibility Gone. |
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 23, 2012 18:27:15 GMT -8
Shrigley is better than Shepard. It's going to be interesting #8-12 plays itself out. Credibility Gone. I'm not looking for credibility, just sharing my viewpoints. Time will sort out who was right and who was wrong. Here is more: I would have never fathomed Jamaal Franklin having the type of year he had last year if all I had to base it off of was his freshman year. The same is true with Deshawn. I'm completely ignoring what I saw from Deshawn for most of last year, and basing my assessment off of what I saw from him towards the end of last season, and a few games this summer. I'm doing the same for Winston as well. Those youtube highlights are impressive as well as those stories about him holding top high school guys under their averages. However, his individual abilities were greatly enhanced based on the all star team he was on. When he sees guys he can't dominate with his size, all his advantages disapear. SDSU has 4 guys that are clearly a better option than Winston at the forward spot (Jamaal, Deshawn, Dwayne, O'brien). James Johnson's size and strength will demad minutes. Then you add James Rahon to the picture who is a veteran and obviously one of Fisher's favorites. That places Winston at #9 on the depth chart fighting for minutes with Spencer, Shrigley and LBF. All signs point to Winston riding the bench this year (In big games). Yes, I said riding the bench. |
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Post by MarshallU on Sept 23, 2012 18:43:58 GMT -8
This. That prediction was perplexing, at the very least. I completely understand your being perplexed. I really do. But just sit back and watch my predictions come into fruition. or "come to" fruition. if you are going to try and be a big boy, and use big boy sayings, use them correctly. |
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 23, 2012 18:45:46 GMT -8
How can someone lose credibility when they had none to begin with?
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 23, 2012 18:45:52 GMT -8
Depth Chart:
1. Jamaal
2. Chase
3. X
4. Deshawn
5. Obrien
6. Polee
7. Rahon
8. Johnson
9. Winston
10. Spencer
11. Shrigley
12. LBF
Most would place Winston at #4 on this list considering he's a 5* recruit. But in this case, those 5 stars won't make him better than the other forwards we have once practice starts, not to mention he'll likely miss games due to disciplinary actions. It took Jamaal 12 games to get out of the dog house last year, and he was our best player.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2012 18:57:11 GMT -8
I was thinking the same thing, dumb question, obvious answer. What I was trying to get from you wasn't that easy of an answer . I wanted "specifics" on what you thought Winston would have to improve on to be an eight or better on the BBA Scale.Not just that he would have to play better than the others. That is obvious. |
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 23, 2012 19:19:50 GMT -8
I was thinking the same thing, dumb question, obvious answer. What I was trying to get from you wasn't that easy of an answer . I wanted "specifics" on what you thought Winston would have to improve on to be an eight or better on the BBA Scale.Not just that he would have to play better than the others. That is obvious. I'm basing my assessment of Winston based on what I saw in the Drew League this summer. I was able to watch him play in 2 games. Summer League is a lot like AAU where you can't judge the team, you can only hope to get a sense of a players individual ability, athleticism, competitiveness, and attitude. Winston's basketball IQ is rather low. He has to become a much better half court basketball player. He doesn't really have a method of attack that he feels comfortable with. He doesn't know rather he wants to drive, shoot, pass, etc...He looks lost on offense. I saw him get very frustrated and in one game he mentally checked out. He did have some moments where he looked good, that was in transition. He makes sweet passes and has a decent handle. His legnth is unquestionable. He's all of 6'9! He can rebound above the rim. The kid has tools that can be developed, but if you compare him to polished College forwards, there is no comparisson at this point. Deshawn on the other hand was impressive. It was easy to compare because they were playing on the same court. Deshawn is bigger, more athletic, and knows exactly what he wants to do on the basketball court which is run the floor, rebound, block shots and dunk everything. Jamaal isn;t even worth mentioning in the College category, he was more impressive than every NBA player I saw in the Drew League...except for maybe John Wall...maybe. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Sept 23, 2012 19:29:15 GMT -8
Good to hear about Deshawn. I had high hopes for him after the end of last season.
As far as Shepard is concerned, I expect practically any freshman to come in a struggle a little. Even Kawhi didn't look so hot the first half or so of his freshman season. I could see all the freshman struggling for minutes. It's a good thing, it means we have good talent ahead of them.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 23, 2012 19:34:08 GMT -8
Good to hear about Deshawn. I had high hopes for him after the end of last season. As far as Shepard is concerned, I expect practically any freshman to come in a struggle a little. Even Kawhi didn't look so hot the first half or so of his freshman season. I could see all the freshman struggling for minutes. It's a good thing, it means we have good talent ahead of them. Exactly. The huge difference with Kawhi is he had a clear role at the 3 position waiting for him and a team that had yet to make the NCAA tourney. Winston is entering a team where the starting forward is an All American and the team has 3 other forwards with a ton of College experience. O'brien and Polee know what it's like to start for major D1 program. I already spoke on Deshawn...So my expectation for Winston in his freshman year are rather low. By the time he's a Junior he should be able to live up to the 5 stars by his name. I just hope this board doesn't fry him for not being a star on day 1. |
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Post by standiego on Sept 23, 2012 19:36:23 GMT -8
wouldn't the #7 rated HS player UNLV's A. Bennett be expected to be the top rookie. Many expect him to be 1 and done. He is a monster near the basket- played in most of the big name HS tournaments. Shepard IMO is a very smooth quality player, whose biggest asset is his D but can do a little bit of everything fairly well , can probably slide anywhere from the 1-4 position as needed, a guy who is noted to be a team player . First game I would guess would be the same line -up, that most are guessing Jamaal, Tapley ,X , JJ, and Stephens. For guys coming off the bench it depends what the team needs offense, defense , rebounding , match ups and who is having either a hot night or cold night. Freshman always have a transition time and it will be the same for all 3 for the AZTECS. K Leonard , was not the same player his Freshman year as when he finished. Jamaal was asked to red shirt his first year but worked hard to get time , then really improved as a sophmore. Shepard was a 4 star ,and will need time to find his playing time but could be needed for his defense when we UCLA , The Orangemen ,USC, Arizona and UNLV
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 23, 2012 19:57:03 GMT -8
wouldn't the #7 rated HS player UNLV's A. Bennett be expected to be the top rookie. Many expect him to be 1 and done. He is a monster near the basket- played in most of the big name HS tournaments. Shepard IMO is a very smooth quality player, whose biggest asset is his D but can do a little bit of everything fairly well , can probably slide anywhere from the 1-4 position as needed, a guy who is noted to be a team player . First game I would guess would be the same line -up, that most are guessing Jamaal, Tapley ,X , JJ, and Stephens. For guys coming off the bench it depends what the team needs offense, defense , rebounding , match ups and who is having either a hot night or cold night. Freshman always have a transition time and it will be the same for all 3 for the AZTECS. K Leonard , was not the same player his Freshman year as when he finished. Jamaal was asked to red shirt his first year but worked hard to get time , then really improved as a sophmore. Shepard was a 4 star ,and will need time to find his playing time but could be needed for his defense when we UCLA , The Orangemen ,USC, Arizona and UNLV [/quote]can do a little bit of everything fairly well , can probably slide anywhere from the 1-4 position as needed[/quote] If this were true, I would have a completely different assessment of him, but it just isn't. The highlight tapes tell us this is true, but when you watch him play a full game, you'll see the holes and you'd NEVER consider him to play your point guard position. Anthony Bennet is a good player but I doubt he will have a substancial enough role his freshman year to get the acolades. They have Birch, Moser down low. If they play Moser at the 3, I think it will work against them in the long run because Moser's perimeter game is still raw...but he may have made improvements over the summer. I won't doubt him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2012 20:49:23 GMT -8
If Deshawn manages to make 2nd team then we are in for a great season. 1st team seems like a tremendous stretch with the amount of talented forwards the MWC has this season.
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