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Post by drshotblock on Sept 23, 2012 21:16:22 GMT -8
Depth Chart: 1. Jamaal 2. Chase 3. X 4. Deshawn 5. Obrien 6. Polee 7. Rahon 8. Johnson 9. Winston 10. Spencer 11. Shrigley 12. LBF Most would place Winston at #4 on this list considering he's a 5* recruit. But in this case, those 5 stars won't make him better than the other forwards we have once practice starts, not to mention he'll likely miss games due to disciplinary actions. It took Jamaal 12 games to get out of the dog house last year, and he was our best player. I think this is accurate. But, I would add that positions 5-12 are very unpredictable at this point. 5-12 could literally invert. But I agree that 1-4 are solid.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 23, 2012 21:17:26 GMT -8
If Deshawn manages to make 2nd team then we are in for a great season. 1st team seems like a tremendous stretch with the amount of talented forwards the MWC has this season. I agree with this.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 23, 2012 21:19:56 GMT -8
Depth Chart: 1. Jamaal 2. Chase 3. X 4. Deshawn 5. Obrien 6. Polee 7. Rahon 8. Johnson 9. Winston 10. Spencer 11. Shrigley 12. LBF Most would place Winston at #4 on this list considering he's a 5* recruit. But in this case, those 5 stars won't make him better than the other forwards we have once practice starts, not to mention he'll likely miss games due to disciplinary actions. It took Jamaal 12 games to get out of the dog house last year, and he was our best player. I think this is accurate. But, I would add that positions 5-12 are very unpredictable at this point. 5-12 could literally invert. But I agree that 1-4 are solid. I think the top 8 are pretty set, however, minutes for 4-8 will be determined by opponent and whos playing well. You can pencil the top 3 in for 30+ mpg.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Sept 23, 2012 21:26:49 GMT -8
Deshawn is going to shock the hell out of Aztec fans. Sometimes for a player to make improvements, he has to have the right opportunity. No James Johnson for the 1st month, and raw freshmen bigs will leave Fisher heavily reliant on Deshawn. Deshawn will be a pleasant surprise. To the contrary, I'm expecting to see Deshawn make waves. Lots of them. His improvement last year was remarkable, and especially noticeable - game-to-game even - once James Johnson started practicing with the squad. I expect a full offseason of development to push that kid's skills to the next level.
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Post by sdpads24 on Sept 23, 2012 22:32:41 GMT -8
Thames 26min Tapley 28min JFranklin 30min Obrien 20min Stephens 18min
Rahon 18min Polee 18min Shepard 16min Johnson 14min Spencer 6min Shrigley 3min LBF 3min
This is just a guess at what the average minutes per game will be once we have all our players (JJohnson). Very difficult to find time for players that gonna be expecting playing time. Yes, it does add up to 200.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 6:48:19 GMT -8
I m with you in that I think Deshawn will have a very good season for us... I actually got blasted by some a couple months ago by stating that I felt there really was not a situation I could see in which he was not a starter this year. I could see him playing up to second team all conference... he would have to really shine to earn first team, but hey, never know. I am expecting around 8 pts 8 rbg from him, but I do think he is capable of more than that. Love his energy and attitude. The kid works his ass off, always gives his all. If Deshawn manages to make 2nd team then we are in for a great season. 1st team seems like a tremendous stretch with the amount of talented forwards the MWC has this season. I agree with this.
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Post by dahoopref on Sept 24, 2012 7:18:01 GMT -8
Deshawn on the other hand was impressive. It was easy to compare because they were playing on the same court. Deshawn is bigger, more athletic, and knows exactly what he wants to do on the basketball court which is run the floor, rebound, block shots and dunk everything. Jamaal isn;t even worth mentioning in the College category, he was more impressive than every NBA player I saw in the Drew League...except for maybe John Wall...maybe. After officiating a few games in the Drew league, BBA's analysis of DS athleticism is spot on. When he plays without thinking and can run freely, DS can talent can be rarely matched. The problems is when he is in a structured offense he loses his intensity and basketball IQ. I saw this when he was at Sta Monica CC and when watching SDSU play. He seems to still try and figure what his role is on the floor and that's why he seems to be great in some games and mediocre in others. Perhaps this being his Sr year, he will have it all figured out.
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Post by AztecBill on Sept 24, 2012 9:02:04 GMT -8
I'm not looking for credibility, just sharing my viewpoints. Time will sort out who was right and who was wrong. Here is more: I would have never fathomed Jamaal Franklin having the type of year he had last year if all I had to base it off of was his freshman year. The same is true with Deshawn. I'm completely ignoring what I saw from Deshawn for most of last year, and basing my assessment off of what I saw from him towards the end of last season, and a few games this summer. I'm doing the same for Winston as well. Those youtube highlights are impressive as well as those stories about him holding top high school guys under their averages. However, his individual abilities were greatly enhanced based on the all star team he was on. When he sees guys he can't dominate with his size, all his advantages disapear. SDSU has 4 guys that are clearly a better option than Winston at the forward spot (Jamaal, Deshawn, Dwayne, O'brien). James Johnson's size and strength will demad minutes. Then you add James Rahon to the picture who is a veteran and obviously one of Fisher's favorites. That places Winston at #9 on the depth chart fighting for minutes with Spencer, Shrigley and LBF. All signs point to Winston riding the bench this year (In big games). Yes, I said riding the bench. The Drew League is a lot different than playing on a team in the NCAA. I wonder if the differences between the two would make one type of player or player with a certain style of play seem worse in that league than they will be in the NCAA? What were your impressions of Shepards defense?
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 9:35:23 GMT -8
I'm not looking for credibility, just sharing my viewpoints. Time will sort out who was right and who was wrong. Here is more: I would have never fathomed Jamaal Franklin having the type of year he had last year if all I had to base it off of was his freshman year. The same is true with Deshawn. I'm completely ignoring what I saw from Deshawn for most of last year, and basing my assessment off of what I saw from him towards the end of last season, and a few games this summer. I'm doing the same for Winston as well. Those youtube highlights are impressive as well as those stories about him holding top high school guys under their averages. However, his individual abilities were greatly enhanced based on the all star team he was on. When he sees guys he can't dominate with his size, all his advantages disapear. SDSU has 4 guys that are clearly a better option than Winston at the forward spot (Jamaal, Deshawn, Dwayne, O'brien). James Johnson's size and strength will demad minutes. Then you add James Rahon to the picture who is a veteran and obviously one of Fisher's favorites. That places Winston at #9 on the depth chart fighting for minutes with Spencer, Shrigley and LBF. All signs point to Winston riding the bench this year (In big games). Yes, I said riding the bench. The Drew League is a lot different than playing on a team in the NCAA. I wonder if the differences between the two would make one type of player or player with a certain style of play seem worse in that league than they will be in the NCAA? What were your impressions of Shepards defense? I've said this before. Shepard has incredible length to go along with good lateral movement, If all he has to do is shadow a guy, he can do a good job. But if you throw in having to make proper rotations, close outs, position defense etc., he looks lost. He's not a guy you can just put in the game and know he's going to do everything right. He has to be taught the game from scratch. In high school, the coach just had him playing shadow in a box and 1 defense.
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Post by MarshallU on Sept 24, 2012 9:37:27 GMT -8
The Drew League is a lot different than playing on a team in the NCAA. I wonder if the differences between the two would make one type of player or player with a certain style of play seem worse in that league than they will be in the NCAA? What were your impressions of Shepards defense? I've said this before. Shepard has incredible length to go along with good lateral movement, If all he has to do is shadow a guy, he can do a good job. But if you throw in having to make proper rotations, close outs, position defense etc., he looks lost. He's not a guy you can just put in the game and know he's going to do everything right. He has to be taught the game from scratch. In high school, the coach just had him playing shadow in a box and 1 defense. be honest... you're the smartest person you know, aren't you?
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Post by danloc09 on Sept 24, 2012 9:38:04 GMT -8
The Drew League is a lot different than playing on a team in the NCAA. I wonder if the differences between the two would make one type of player or player with a certain style of play seem worse in that league than they will be in the NCAA? What were your impressions of Shepards defense? I've said this before. Shepard has incredible length to go along with good lateral movement, If all he has to do is shadow a guy, he can do a good job. But if you throw in having to make proper rotations, close outs, position defense etc., he looks lost. He's not a guy you can just put in the game and know he's going to do everything right. He has to be taught the game from scratch. In high school, the coach just had him playing shadow in a box and 1 defense. hahahaha
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 10:25:31 GMT -8
The best thing about these post is the fact that we get to look back a few months from now and see who knew their stuff. I'll be smiling just like last year
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Post by Strawberry Puppy Kisses on Sept 24, 2012 10:46:31 GMT -8
At the start of the season last year, everyone knew JF was a talented kid. How far that talent would take him was subject to a wide range of opinion, but I don't think anyone was completely shocked to see him take off.
Now, DS is a different story. BBA, if your 1st team prediction comes true, I will officially declare you "THE" BBA and change my name to Strawberry BBA Kisses.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 10:50:51 GMT -8
At the start of the season last year, everyone knew JF was a talented kid. How far that talent would take him was subject to a wide range of opinion, but I don't think anyone was completely shocked to see him take off. Now, DS is a different story. BBA, if your 1st team prediction comes true, I will officially declare you "THE" BBA and change my name to Strawberry BBA Kisses. It's easy for me to pin point the underrated kids and the overrated kids. Last year my underrated kid was Jamaal, my overrated kid was Rahon. This season my underrated kid is Deshawn (and Jamaal still), my overrated kid is Winston.
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Post by mwchoops on Sept 24, 2012 10:53:12 GMT -8
Interesting. UNLV's Anthony Bennett, #7 overall recruit, picked by some BB writers to be a one and done player, not mentioned anywhere on list, not even honorable mention. Bryce has been looking good at UNLV practices I've attended, but Bennett is killing it. If your insight on UNLV is the same for other MWC teams, I think your knowledge of teams other than the Aztecs is severely lacking. I'll wait to play the games and forego the childish homer predictions. Every site you go to has their players heading the field with their predictions. Can't wish you good luck as we are adversaries, but I will wish your team an injury free season, as I wish for all MWC teams. I'll check in before conference play to see how your predictions are going. Bye.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 10:59:05 GMT -8
Interesting. UNLV's Anthony Bennett, #7 overall recruit, picked by some BB writers to be a one and done player, not mentioned anywhere on list, not even honorable mention. Bryce has been looking good at UNLV practices I've attended, but Bennett is killing it. If your insight on UNLV is the same for other MWC teams, I think your knowledge of teams other than the Aztecs is severely lacking. I'll wait to play the games and forego the childish homer predictions. Every site you go to has their players heading the field with their predictions. Can't wish you good luck as we are adversaries, but I will wish your team an injury free season, as I wish for all MWC teams. I'll check in before conference play to see how your predictions are going. Bye. I could be dead wrong about other teams, But I'm dead on about the Aztecs. My only question about UNLV is that they are loaded in the front court. The only way for them to play everyone decent minutes is to have Moser play out of position on the Wing. If that happens, UNLV's talent will be nulified by a lack of chemistry. I can see Moser jacking up perimeter shots instead of playing inside where he belongs. Moser should watch some Kawhi Leonard tapes, that's the type of player he should aspire to be.
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Post by danloc09 on Sept 24, 2012 11:30:11 GMT -8
If I'm a UNLV fan I don't want Moser playing the 3 at all.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 11:36:56 GMT -8
If I'm a UNLV fan I don't want Moser playing the 3 at all. I saw it a lot last year. Moser's mind in on trying to convince NBA scouts he's a 3. He dominated early in the season by just being a rebounder and a hustle player. He got away from that as the year progressed. With UNLV's loaded front line, it only reinforces Moser's perimeter aspirations. If Moser is playing on the perimeter, look for UNLV to struggle with Chemistry. You have 3 guys who are "shoot first" in Marshall, Moser, and Jones...then you have 2 post players who think they should be focal points in Birch and Bennet. Throw in Reinhardt who likes to gun....the question remains, who is going to organize this group of "Running Gunners"??
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Post by dlangford9 on Sept 24, 2012 11:44:02 GMT -8
If I'm a UNLV fan I don't want Moser playing the 3 at all. I saw it a lot last year. Moser's mind in on trying to convince NBA scouts he's a 3. He dominated early in the season by just being a rebounder and a hustle player. He got away from that as the year progressed. With UNLV's loaded front line, it only reinforces Moser's perimeter aspirations. If Moser is playing on the perimeter, look for UNLV to struggle with Chemistry. You have 3 guys who are "shoot first" in Marshall, Moser, and Jones...then you have 2 post players who think they should be focal points in Birch and Bennet. Throw in Reinhardt who likes to gun....the question remains, who is going to organize this group of "Running Gunners"?? You make some really good points. Let's hope UNLV blows through Non-Conf and then stumbles in MWC play due to rising egos and expectations of "gettin their own".
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Post by iambballanalyst on Sept 24, 2012 11:49:11 GMT -8
SDSU has 3 gunners in Rahon, Tapley and Jamaal. 9 times out of 10, these guys will shoot first instead of pass. Tapley actually led us in shot attempts per game and overall shot attempts last year. This is why as a team, SDSU ranked near the bottom half of the nation in assist. The first person with a half decent shot was going to fire at will....
Where SDSU differs from UNLV is that our bigs understand that they are not the focal point of the offense. They know that their impact will come from doing the little things like defense, rebounding, taking charges, setting screens, etc. Xavier Thames seems to understand that his assist numbers are more important than his scoring totals. Rahon knows one thing..."shoot the ball". That's the perfect mindset you want from your shooter, especially if he's coming off the bench.
Jamaal is a guy that I think will mature into an elite scorer that has the willingness to pass to the open man. Last year it was all about points for him, especially with having to come off the bench to start the season. He had the chip on his shoulder to prove he belonged in the game...that chip lasted all year. This season, I think we'll see a more content player who's focused on the task of winning. That doesn't mean he'll shoot less shots, it just means he'll shoot smarter shots and hand out more assist in the process. The onus is on Tapley and Jamaal to make sure the ball moves in the half court. If one is gunning, the other will follow suit. The big difference between Jamaal and Tapley is that when Jamaal ball hogs, he goes to the rack and gets to the line. When Tapley ball hogs, he only shoots jump shots. It will be interesting to see how this developes.
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