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Post by 1611Luginbill on Sept 13, 2012 15:18:38 GMT -8
I'll bet you 3,507 internet monies that the mwc gets four in in 2013 as well. And for that matter, double or nothing they get 3 and the bwc gets 1 in 2014. Let's bet to Aztec Club. $50 says that the MWC gets less than 4 teams in the NCAA tournament this season. You say the MWC gets 4 or more teams in. I win, you write the check. You win, I write the check. As for Big West 2013-14. I feel the Big West will get two teams in if the following 3 things happen 1) SDSU has a good OOC record (73% win pct or better) 2) SDSU wins the 2013-14 Big West regular season outright (no tiebreakers) 3) SDSU loses in the semis or finals of the Big West postseason tourney. That would make SDSU an at large in the NCAAs and the tourney winner would ironically "steal" a bid from a conference like the mountain west. We can bet on the 2013-14 Big West thing but I'm not keen on making bets 725+ days into the future.
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Post by benaztecfan on Sept 13, 2012 15:19:34 GMT -8
Tell the recruits that this will be an easier annual path to the NCAA tourney and a better chance for them to display their skills on a national stage. Conference champs get automatic invites and pretty much running the table in conference will be very doable. An OOC schedule that includes some tests like PAC 10, BE, Gonzaga, UNLV, UNM, BYU and Big 8 schools and the occasional pre-season tournament will set up the team for a good seed. the big west TOURNEY champ gets an automatic invite. What's easier, may i ask... placing top 4 in the MW or avoiding a buzzer beater loss in the conference tourney (or for that matter a loss to Long Beach?) and with the 26th ranked conference containing multiple 300+ rpi teams and one under 100 rpi team, no OOC we are capable of putting together is enough to get us a "good seed". unless you consider an 8 a good seed. 5th is the highest RPI the MW has ever had and even with SDSU and UNLV ranked as high as they will be this year the MW probably won’t be 5th again. Once the MW loses its best team (SDSU) they will be on the verge of leaving the top ten in RPI. You mentioned that the BW is the 26th ranked conference, but they were actually ranked 25th (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2011/conferencerpi). With the addition of SDSU, Boise and Hawaii the conference will probably jump into the mid to high teens. The WCC was ranked 14th last year and got BYU, Gonzaga and St. Mary’s in the dance (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/bracket). I’m not saying the BW will get three teams in, but it is definitely possible and maybe even probable that they get two teams in……especially if Long Beach and UCSB continue to land the talent that they have been.
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Post by azteccc on Sept 13, 2012 15:20:37 GMT -8
the long run is a misleading guide to current affairs, in the long run we're all dead. How did Gonzaga have all that success in the WCC before St Mary's was anything? Gonzaga has gotten past the sweet 16 exactly once in their history, and that was over a decade ago. And they're the best example of "if everything goes perfect". What happened to George Mason after they got to the final four? How's UW-Milwaukee been since they made their sweet 16? For every Gonzaga (who in themselves even aren't close to where our program could be), there are 50 iona's.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Sept 13, 2012 15:24:33 GMT -8
How did Gonzaga have all that success in the WCC before St Mary's was anything? Gonzaga has gotten past the sweet 16 exactly once in their history, and that was over a decade ago. And they're the best example of "if everything goes perfect". What happened to George Mason after they got to the final four? How's UW-Milwaukee been since they made their sweet 16? For every Gonzaga (who in themselves even aren't close to where our program could be), there are 50 iona's. How's all that recent MWC team Sweet 16 experience and tourney success going? An absolute dynasty! Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by insider on Sept 13, 2012 15:36:11 GMT -8
SDSU will have no problems getting at large berths in the big west as long as they win in the OOC.
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Post by insider on Sept 13, 2012 15:38:13 GMT -8
How did Gonzaga have all that success in the WCC before St Mary's was anything? Gonzaga has gotten past the sweet 16 exactly once in their history, and that was over a decade ago. And they're the best example of "if everything goes perfect". What happened to George Mason after they got to the final four? How's UW-Milwaukee been since they made their sweet 16? For every Gonzaga (who in themselves even aren't close to where our program could be), there are 50 iona's. The MWC has gotten past the sweet 16 exactly 0 times.
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Post by danloc09 on Sept 13, 2012 15:45:06 GMT -8
How did Gonzaga have all that success in the WCC before St Mary's was anything? Gonzaga has gotten past the sweet 16 exactly once in their history, and that was over a decade ago. And they're the best example of "if everything goes perfect". What happened to George Mason after they got to the final four? How's UW-Milwaukee been since they made their sweet 16? For every Gonzaga (who in themselves even aren't close to where our program could be), there are 50 iona's. You said (or at least implied) that a high seed wouldn't be possible coming out of the big west. I'm saying Gonzaga was in a terrible conference before St Mary's got good and yet they were a high seed all of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 16:02:51 GMT -8
the big west TOURNEY champ gets an automatic invite. What's easier, may i ask... placing top 4 in the MW or avoiding a buzzer beater loss in the conference tourney (or for that matter a loss to Long Beach?) and with the 26th ranked conference containing multiple 300+ rpi teams and one under 100 rpi team, no OOC we are capable of putting together is enough to get us a "good seed". unless you consider an 8 a good seed. Yes, RPIs will be the same for ever and nothing is ever capable of change. The WCC always had a bunch of good teams. Eurasia has always been at war with East Asia. This was funny! I laughed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 16:04:01 GMT -8
Gonzaga has gotten past the sweet 16 exactly once in their history, and that was over a decade ago. And they're the best example of "if everything goes perfect". What happened to George Mason after they got to the final four? How's UW-Milwaukee been since they made their sweet 16? For every Gonzaga (who in themselves even aren't close to where our program could be), there are 50 iona's. You said (or at least implied) that a high seed wouldn't be possible coming out of the big west. I'm saying Gonzaga was in a terrible conference before St Mary's got good and yet they were a high seed all of the time. I am sure you have noticed. Lots of people see only what they want to see.
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Post by Azthetic on Sept 13, 2012 16:13:29 GMT -8
We are going to the Big West. We will make something of it. Quit crying like a bunch of sissies. Get on the bus. The Aztec basketball bandwagon is roaring up the 5.
After the success of the coming season and building upon the past 3 straight appearances in the NCAA's, we are on the verge of something that we have all dreamed about.
Enjoy the ride, people.
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Post by jdgaucho on Sept 13, 2012 16:43:38 GMT -8
Gonzaga has gotten past the sweet 16 exactly once in their history, and that was over a decade ago. And they're the best example of "if everything goes perfect". What happened to George Mason after they got to the final four? How's UW-Milwaukee been since they made their sweet 16? For every Gonzaga (who in themselves even aren't close to where our program could be), there are 50 iona's. The MWC has gotten past the sweet 16 exactly 0 times. In Butler's last six years in the Horizon League (one/two bid conference), they had three sweet 16's and two national title game appearances to their credit. It remains to be seen where they go from here, but the A-10 move will only help them down the road.
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Post by aztecbb on Sept 13, 2012 16:59:06 GMT -8
When UNLV joins us inthe BW it will be a better conf than MGC.
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Post by Lloyd on Sept 13, 2012 18:14:49 GMT -8
Teams can transend conferences. It is about coaches, playing style, facilities etc. Other programs talking crap about the big west just means they do not have enough positives about thier program . Quality kids get that. Definitely - (see UNLV - 1990 NCAA champ - Big West member). I wonder if some recruits from California wouldn't prefer the Aztecs were in the Big West? A winter road trip to the L.A. area may not sound bad versus a plane ride thru the snow into Wyoming or Colorado. Also - Aztec games on ESPN will beat the crap out of games on The Mtn., and now NBC Sports Channel/CBS College Sports Channel.
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Post by monty619 on Sept 13, 2012 18:26:01 GMT -8
By the time we are done with this recruiting class I don't think anyone is going to be concerned anymore. The Aztec brand is on the map. Credit to Fisher and staff....but also the rise of The Show.......players who have stuck around and worked hard to build the rep of the school and basketball program....and guys like Tim Shelton who have caused a whole lot of people to notice SDSU basketball through ridiculously awesome youtube videos.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Sept 13, 2012 20:44:50 GMT -8
A basketball practice facility would go a long way convincing recruits we're anything but small time. This should be #1 on the athletic department's to do list. I agree and I believe we will have one within the next 5 years.
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Post by Aztec Empire on Sept 14, 2012 8:32:47 GMT -8
Have not seen the ticket prices have you....It could be enough..lolol I have. Assuming SDSU sells all of their tickets, that still leaves the department about $19,200,000 short. lighten up francis
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Post by OldSlowWhiteBaller on Sept 14, 2012 10:21:38 GMT -8
I don't think there will be any recruiting problems in the immediate future. After Steve Fisher retires and Brian Dutcher takes the reins,we will have to wait and see how he does.
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Post by aztecsman16 on Sept 14, 2012 12:20:05 GMT -8
I don't think there will be any recruiting problems in the immediate future. After Steve Fisher retires and Brian Dutcher takes the reins,we will have to wait and see how he does. from what I can make of it Dutch seems like a mirror image of the fish.
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Post by monty619 on Sept 15, 2012 9:42:58 GMT -8
I have no concerns about Dutch taking over the program. I'm sure Fisher will still be involved as a consultant...his son will be on the staff...and we'll have great assistants like Bland and (hopefully) Tim Shelton
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Post by mnolt08 on Sept 15, 2012 10:40:30 GMT -8
You guys act like making it to the sweet 16 is no big deal. That's a major accomplishment. We are not UCLA/Duke/UNC here... How many programs can say they have a shot at winning the national title every year, only a couple...
What Gonzaga has built is very impressive. It doesn't matter if they haven't been to the final four, they are competitive year in and year out. SDSU will raise the level of the Big West. LBSU and UCSB will always been solid and who knows maybe UNLV will be there some day as well.
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