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Aug 13, 2012 9:50:39 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 9:50:39 GMT -8
Go for the field goal, 47 yards has a high % rate of being good. Good-bye. What is life like on Bizzaro World? Hello.
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Aug 13, 2012 11:04:28 GMT -8
Post by beatnavy on Aug 13, 2012 11:04:28 GMT -8
I can't speak for AF (and certainly wouldn't want to), but this isn't quite true for Army.
by my count, we went for it on 4th down 34 times last year
15 of those came from outside of the opponent's 35 yard line -- however, included in that 15 were 6 attempts that came on the last or next to last drive of the game for us, when we were behind; also included in that list is one late in the Fordham game, when we were ahead 48-0
so my completely unofficial count is 8 attempts outside the 35-yard line when under "normal" game circumstances
one of those 8 was a memorable (failed) fake punt against AF, early in the game, deep in our own territory
we punted from inside the 50 7 times in 2011 -- almost as much as we "voluntarily" went for it
but in 2011 we never punted from closer than the opponent's 39 yard line -- so I put the "always goes for it" line for Army at the 35-yard line, not the 50
note -- I probably miscounted in there somewhere, but certainly not enough to make a difference
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Aug 13, 2012 11:10:44 GMT -8
Post by aztec619 on Aug 13, 2012 11:10:44 GMT -8
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Aug 13, 2012 13:57:13 GMT -8
Post by k5james on Aug 13, 2012 13:57:13 GMT -8
It's fourth and 11 on the thirty yard line. You punt, 90 percent likley its a touchback or its blocked. You go for a field goal it is 47 yards. So you go for it what do you lose 10 yards maybe. Your chances are better than the field goal or the coffin corner. It all depends on the position etc. Also if you know you are going to go for it on fourth down you call plays that only need to get you 10 yards in four downs. I head one of the things that prtecipated this is his confidenc ein Mewma,Price and Kazee in short yardage. Go for the field goal, 47 yards has a high % rate of being good. What? A 47 yard FG doesn't have a high success rate in the NFL much less the college level.
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Aug 13, 2012 14:02:02 GMT -8
Post by untitled on Aug 13, 2012 14:02:02 GMT -8
Go for the field goal, 47 yards has a high % rate of being good. What? A 47 yard FG doesn't have a high success rate in the NFL much less the college level. didn't faze that cajun kicker.
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Aug 13, 2012 14:13:03 GMT -8
Post by GothamCityRogue on Aug 13, 2012 14:13:03 GMT -8
The great thing about this going for it on four down discussion and reporting, is the publicity Aztec football is receiving. I've seen a number of tweets from non-SDSU related sources referencing Rocky's statement. Chris Vannini @coachingbuzz Rocky Long is considering not punting if past midfield after reading about a high school coach. bit.ly/RNUgXy #SDSU Retweeted by Pete Roussel
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Aug 13, 2012 19:40:51 GMT -8
Post by TecTilIDie on Aug 13, 2012 19:40:51 GMT -8
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Aug 13, 2012 20:53:31 GMT -8
Post by darksidereturns on Aug 13, 2012 20:53:31 GMT -8
I tend to think that this is one part publicity and three parts truth. We did just finish a season where we were 6 for 15 kicking FGM. First of all there is a huge difference between, no punts ever, all onside kicks and no punt returns vs go for it on 4th in the opponent's side. If Rocky wants to go for it on 4th in their zone, I say have at it. If we take out last year's 40% FGM as an anomaly and look at the previous decade, we are at 68% FGM. Screw it, may as well go for it. If it works out you can recruit to kids as an opportunity to for more stats both offensively and defensively.
That said...I do recall Rocky stating his opinion on coaching. His view is that if you think you can beat a team straight up, you play conservative because you will win. If you think you are the lesser team you need to gamble to create a situation where you can win.
So will this factor into his thinking? Will he only pull out the no FG for BSU...or UW...UNR?? Or is it just a smoke screen. Interesting indeed.
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Aug 14, 2012 7:19:18 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2012 7:19:18 GMT -8
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Aug 14, 2012 10:53:27 GMT -8
Post by onelittleindian on Aug 14, 2012 10:53:27 GMT -8
Like most, I believe this is a ruse on Long's part, however, the coach/school who is being cited averaged six yards per play and scored a TD on one-third of their possessions. In addition, they don't use a punt returner, they rush all 11 in hopes of getting a block and they onside kick.
Can we average ~6ypp?
Can we score a TD on 1/3 of our possessions against D1 COLLEGE teams (not high school)?
Can our defense stop enough teams on a short field of 48 yards (instead of the average of your own 33-yard line)?
At least this is a better off-season conversation than most.
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Aug 14, 2012 11:28:28 GMT -8
Post by AztecBill on Aug 14, 2012 11:28:28 GMT -8
Teams punt way too often. Teams attempt field goals way too often.
4th and 1 from your own 40? Go for it, except a few times when score and time dictate punting or kneeling down.
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Aug 14, 2012 12:28:59 GMT -8
Post by tonatiuh on Aug 14, 2012 12:28:59 GMT -8
What? A 47 yard FG doesn't have a high success rate in the NFL much less the college level. didn't faze that cajun kicker. May be, but he was a very good kicker also.
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Aug 14, 2012 12:49:40 GMT -8
Post by napo on Aug 14, 2012 12:49:40 GMT -8
Made it on Dan Lebatard is Highly Questionable on ESPN2 today.
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Aug 14, 2012 13:10:24 GMT -8
Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 14, 2012 13:10:24 GMT -8
Go for the field goal, 47 yards has a high % rate of being good. Good-bye. What is life like on Bizzaro World? Hello. "Wouldn't it be bad bye"?
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Aug 14, 2012 13:35:35 GMT -8
Post by onelittleindian on Aug 14, 2012 13:35:35 GMT -8
Like most, I believe this is a ruse on Long's part, however, the coach/school who is being cited averaged six yards per play and scored a TD on one-third of their possessions. In addition, they don't use a punt returner, they rush all 11 in hopes of getting a block and they onside kick. Can we average ~6ypp? Can we score a TD on 1/3 of our possessions against D1 COLLEGE teams (not high school)? Can our defense stop enough teams on a short field of 48 yards (instead of the average of your own 33-yard line)? At least this is a better off-season conversation than most. Yeah but we're talking about a high school team. "Pulaski 'Academy'" or some such. HS and college football are almost different sports. I agree with you, John. My point is that this "data" in nearly apples and oranges for comparison/argumentative purposes. Cal economist, David Romer made the following observations: "Inside the opponent's 45- yard line, facing anything less than fourth and eight, teams are better off going for it than punting ... Inside the opponents 33-yard line, they are better off going for it on anything less than fourth and 11 ... Regardless of field position, on anything less than fourth and five, teams are always better off going for it ..." "Based on data from more than 700 NFL games, Romer identified 1,068 fourth-down situations in which, statistically speaking, the right call would have been to go for it. The NFL teams punted 959 times. In other words, nearly 90 percent of the time, NFL coaches made the sub-optimal choice." Coaches are playing not to lose, instead of playing to win. It's easier to appease your superiors and fan base with the perception that you're doing the (so-called) "smart" thing, instead of the statistically "right" (though more "radical") thing after a game. (from "Scorecasting" by Tobias J. Maskowitz & L. Jon Wertheim)
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Aug 14, 2012 14:24:24 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2012 14:24:24 GMT -8
Conclusions made from NFL data are not necessarily applicable to college football. For one thing, PKs as a whole are far more accurate in the NFL. In that respect, I suspect our kicking misery of last season has significantly influenced Rocky's thinking about this - although Famous Seamus may convince him otherwise.
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