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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 11, 2012 10:31:57 GMT -8
a little early to be celebrating their arrival, isn't it? until we hear an official announcement from Kustra, the AD Mark Coyle or commissioner Dennis Farrell - nothing has changed regarding the Dunks Would you admit Hawaii for travel stipends? -Sure How about Boise for less travel stipends -What kind of conference do you take us for? Well, madam big lots, we already know what type of conference you are, we're just haggling over the price Smile, you're on Candid Camera!
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 11, 2012 10:42:13 GMT -8
Would you admit Hawaii for travel stipends? -Sure How about Boise for less travel stipends -What kind of conference do you take us for? Well, madam big lots, we already know what type of conference you are, we're just haggling over the price Can we play ball in your conference? -Maybe How much do you want for us to join? -It's not cheap. Has to be worth our time Well, madam big lots, I'm sure we can make it "mutually beneficial" for both parties. I can promise you this: unlike a certain someone we both know, we will be gracious to our hosts for however long we stay. -Okay. You have our attention We will pay a pretty penny to join and also unlike said someone who piggybacks off us, we will not piggybacking off anybody -I'll talk it over and hopefully we can make a deal
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Post by beefeater on Aug 11, 2012 12:19:09 GMT -8
Kustra's statement means one of two things:
(a) it's a done deal, or
(b) Boise State has an offer that they feel extremely confident is going to make it a done deal. Maybe they are going to get the Big East to bring in some incentives, maybe Boise just feels like they can afford to pay whatever the BWC asks now that they expect NBC to drive up the price of BE TV deal. Maybe they were only one UC Davis vote away before UCD finally hired a real AD and maybe they now have the UCD vote. Who knows?
At this point, I would be surprised if Boise State isn't admitted. There just seems to be too much momentum and too much desire on Boise's part for this to fail now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 13:57:20 GMT -8
Oh yes it can. Doesn't matter that much though because if the BE doesn't expand its western division into all sports, SDSU, Boise and Fresno will create a new western Olympic conference. If we take UCSB and Cal Poly along with us, the conference can change its name from Big Lots to 99 Cent Only. what? no UNLV, New Mexico, NMSU, BYU, Utah State, San Jose, or Denver?? You are gonna throw your friends from Idaho and Wyoming to the wolves as well??? For better or for worse, we ain't leaving the Big West. Men's soccer has been our bread and butter for 10 years and until basketball can show some consistency this will remain the status quo. Any new western conference would have to sponsor it for us to even entertain thoughts of leaving. besides, just as Wyoming, Air Force, and Colorado State won't be broken up - same for UCSB, CSUF, Long Beach and UCI. In 1958, Idaho was a member of the Pacific Coast Conference with Oregon, WSU, Cal, USC, etc. Here were San Diego State College's opponents that year: Santa Barbara State, Pepperdine, Long Beach State, Cal State L.A., Fresno State, San Diego Marines, Cal Poly SLO and UOP. So in half a century, they will have gone from being in the forerunner of one of the "Power 5" conferences to possible FCS status in football whereas SDSU will have gone from playing a Marine Corps base (we did manage to win) and five colleges which no longer play football to a conference just outside the Power 5. Bottom line is SDSU and Idaho have never been in the same conference and at least for football, never will. If the four of you guys are a matched set, more power to you. I respect loyalty and cohesiveness when it makes sense like that. However, SDSU and Wyoming have never been a cultural fit. They're 7,000 feet closer to the stratosphere in a county with 3/10 of 1% of the population of the one we call home in the Western Bible Belt rather than bikini&partyville, et al. Their two partners aren't all that much different from Wyoming. Much closer to them culturally are the majority of members of nCUSA. As I've said, particularly assuming Fresno State is asked to join the BE for football in 2015, the MWC's new TV deal is going to be a trainwreck. That and the fact UNM, UNLV and USU heavily emphasize basketball over football are likely to motivate those front range schools to bolt for that other conference. So I think there's a good chance the latter three and UNR, SJSU, NMSU will work out some kind of football merger with the Big Sky while adding two other schools, maybe Denver and Seattle. as members for Olympic sports only. Hawaii would presumably continue to join them for football only. I have to say this too. I think speculation on the Big Lots board that UNLV and UNR will return is pretty naive. The only way that could happen is if they drop football, in which case they would need to save money on travel and joining the Big Lots would allow them to do so. However, dropping football would be an acknowledgement they have no chance whatsoever of achieving nirvana, aka being asked to join the Pac sometime in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 14:03:01 GMT -8
It's impossible to get the guy riled up and that makes me really angry What can I say? it's Santa Barbara cool at its best Yep, GREAT town! Tough to denigrate anybody living there. That would be akin to anti-SDSU smack from Wyoming Cowhicks. BTW, do you actually live IN Santa Barbara? Ain't zacktly inexpensive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 14:12:32 GMT -8
Once again, showing you don't know what you are talking about. During the Tark days, UCI was nationally ranked and had Scott Brooks and first team All American Kevin Magee. That is, in fact, why the Bren Center was built in the first place. And the Bren doesn't even come close to resembling Fullerton's Gym. The WCC, as we now know it, in terms of commanding NATIONAL attention, is in fact, built on Gonzaga. If it were built on Pepperdine, they would show Pepperdine. If it were built on USF, they would feature USF. For the better part of the past fifteen years, the only reason ESPN would show a game at USF or Pepperdine was because Gonzaga was in town. And your premise that the attractiveness of the campus is the reason that WCC teams have had more talent then BWC doesn't hold a shred of water. Fullerton has had more talent over the past five years than half the teams in the WCC, in fact a lot of it from transfers who left the WCC or the Pac 12. If you think they transfered to Fullerton for the beauty of the campus, you are nuts. You mean DIAA All-American, correct? Seems to me I said I've never attended a game there. I suggest you read a bit closer. Again, my point was that Gonzaga isn't the first nationally known basketball school in the WCC. With due respect, I can't recall ever hearing of Kevin Magee and I sure wouldn't know Scott Brooks' name either if he wasn't an NBA HC. (Yeah, I know he bounced around a bit as a player too but I couldn't have told you which Eastern Division team he played for.) To say that Fullerton has had more talent than half the WCC means what exactly? The WCC has always been a conference with one or two outstanding teams, a couple good but not great teams and then a large dropoff. In fact, somebody here once accurately called it the college hoops version of MWC football. So at its best, Fullerton has been good enough to perhaps finish third in the WCC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 14:18:51 GMT -8
You have to keep in mind that Davis, like Riverside, is not far removed from the DII transition. Riverside made the jump to DI, like many programs in the past decade have, without a real gameplan as to how to be successful at the next level. Only now are we starting to see some movement from them, from an organizational standpoint, toward legitimizing themselves as a DI athletic department. The reason the Big West took on the these programs (and Northridge) was to save money and for conference stability. And guess what? They saved money and stabilized the conference. It is what it is. I get adding UCD. Not only has it been devoting more money to facilities, it's just across the river from a major city which only one moribund university athletically and Sac State has been spinning its wheels for years. (Yeah, I know they beat Oregon State in football last year. However, Sac State has shown itself to be a school which one more such victory will lose its coach and then spend nothing to replace him and fall back just as quickly.) I would also understand adding UCR and CSUN with one big caveat. I see no reason why the Big Lots could have told those two they could come if they created a fund to build a new arena. Tell them you're in if you come up with $20M and a plan to double that within 3-5 years. So doing would have a win-win for both them and the conference. The fact the conference didn't do so speaks volumes, frankly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 14:26:20 GMT -8
What'd you do pick up a fresno grad in front of Home Depot to help you write smack nope. i have not been to a home depot in years. it was a big lots. you know, the Fresno grad said he was looking for a home near the area You mean so he's going to move from his comfy bed out behind the place to the converted Motel 6 apartment building across the street? Good for him! Didn't know Fresno Fan could come up with the first month's rent. "We're movin' on up, [movin' on up] . . ."
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Post by beefeater on Aug 11, 2012 17:47:06 GMT -8
Once again, showing you don't know what you are talking about. During the Tark days, UCI was nationally ranked and had Scott Brooks and first team All American Kevin Magee. That is, in fact, why the Bren Center was built in the first place. And the Bren doesn't even come close to resembling Fullerton's Gym. The WCC, as we now know it, in terms of commanding NATIONAL attention, is in fact, built on Gonzaga. If it were built on Pepperdine, they would show Pepperdine. If it were built on USF, they would feature USF. For the better part of the past fifteen years, the only reason ESPN would show a game at USF or Pepperdine was because Gonzaga was in town. And your premise that the attractiveness of the campus is the reason that WCC teams have had more talent then BWC doesn't hold a shred of water. Fullerton has had more talent over the past five years than half the teams in the WCC, in fact a lot of it from transfers who left the WCC or the Pac 12. If you think they transfered to Fullerton for the beauty of the campus, you are nuts. You mean DIAA All-American, correct? Seems to me I said I've never attended a game there. I suggest you read a bit closer. Again, my point was that Gonzaga isn't the first nationally known basketball school in the WCC. With due respect, I can't recall ever hearing of Kevin Magee and I sure wouldn't know Scott Brooks' name either if he wasn't an NBA HC. (Yeah, I know he bounced around a bit as a player too but I couldn't have told you which Eastern Division team he played for.) To say that Fullerton has had more talent than half the WCC means what exactly? The WCC has always been a conference with one or two outstanding teams, a couple good but not great teams and then a large dropoff. In fact, somebody here once accurately called it the college hoops version of MWC football. So at its best, Fullerton has been good enough to perhaps finish third in the WCC. Re: Kevin Magee. No, I mean First Team All American as in sharing the honor with guys like Ralph Sampson and Terry Cummings. I have been following the Big West for a while and the thing you have to understand is that we play the WCC every year. Every team in the BWC plays at least one game against a WCC opponent every season, with rare exception. The only team we usually don't play has been Gonzaga ever since they started playing their (now typical) nationally ranked schedule. So, I have either seen these teams or at least I have seen the results when we play them. There isn't a significant talent gap. Only at the very top has there been a talent gap and that is a more recent phenomenon. So, the way you just characterized the WCC as compared to Fullerton (talent-wise) is exactly right. For the most part the BWC and WCC are competing for the same recruits. We get some, they get some, it all kind of washes out when you look at the results and try to compare the aggregate talent. The point is that if you are seeking to find what separates the WCC from the BWC, you need to look at the top, not the middle or the bottom.
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Post by beefeater on Aug 11, 2012 17:57:57 GMT -8
You have to keep in mind that Davis, like Riverside, is not far removed from the DII transition. Riverside made the jump to DI, like many programs in the past decade have, without a real gameplan as to how to be successful at the next level. Only now are we starting to see some movement from them, from an organizational standpoint, toward legitimizing themselves as a DI athletic department. The reason the Big West took on the these programs (and Northridge) was to save money and for conference stability. And guess what? They saved money and stabilized the conference. It is what it is. I get adding UCD. Not only has it been devoting more money to facilities, it's just across the river from a major city which only one moribund university athletically and Sac State has been spinning its wheels for years. (Yeah, I know they beat Oregon State in football last year. However, Sac State has shown itself to be a school which one more such victory will lose its coach and then spend nothing to replace him and fall back just as quickly.) I would also understand adding UCR and CSUN with one big caveat. I see no reason why the Big Lots could have told those two they could come if they created a fund to build a new arena. Tell them you're in if you come up with $20M and a plan to double that within 3-5 years. So doing would have a win-win for both them and the conference. The fact the conference didn't do so speaks volumes, frankly. OK, two things: (1) A lot of people in the BWC have said the exact same thing about demanding that CSUN and UCR upgrade their facilities. I couldn't tell you exactly why or why not, but the obviously the political will just isn't there. You are justified in being critical of it. UCR is working on funding a new facility as we speak. Cross your fingers. (2) Fresno State seems more likely to join than Las Vegas or Reno. If we could make Fresno the twelfth member, I am sure that would make a lot of people happy.
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