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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 10, 2012 17:42:53 GMT -8
seeing as only 10/16 of our conf. games this year are on nat. tv and we're expected to be pretty good, it can't get any worse in Big Lots. Oh yes it can. Doesn't matter that much though because if the BE doesn't expand its western division into all sports, SDSU, Boise and Fresno will create a new western Olympic conference. If we take UCSB and Cal Poly along with us, the conference can change its name from Big Lots to 99 Cent Only. what? no UNLV, New Mexico, NMSU, BYU, Utah State, San Jose, or Denver?? You are gonna throw your friends from Idaho and Wyoming to the wolves as well??? For better or for worse, we ain't leaving the Big West. Men's soccer has been our bread and butter for 10 years and until basketball can show some consistency this will remain the status quo. Any new western conference would have to sponsor it for us to even entertain thoughts of leaving. besides, just as Wyoming, Air Force, and Colorado State won't be broken up - same for UCSB, CSUF, Long Beach and UCI.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 10, 2012 18:05:50 GMT -8
I forgot about the BUS league, I'm going to pat myself on the back with one for that, and on the other for big lots, oh $#!+, I just dropped my beer UC Santa Barbara, Long Beach State, San Diego State and Hawaii are the star quartet sportsmen. but is that Idaho's hut behind them?
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Post by monty on Aug 10, 2012 18:14:23 GMT -8
que SGF - that's a Cuisinart Hut.
The amount of legit tv coverage we get our west it's like we are camouflaged or, Just like a big west to bring a bow and arrow to a gun fight (in honor of my love as a kid of bullwinkle 2 named episodes and super racist sean connery in untouchables)
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Aug 10, 2012 18:45:17 GMT -8
ps I'm glad.we've decided on Big Lots Holy $#!+ that's funny...
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 10, 2012 19:12:38 GMT -8
You're a good man Gaucho. A hand-clap to you for your loyalty (and good humor). It's impossible to get the guy riled up and that makes me really angry What can I say? it's Santa Barbara cool at its best
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 10, 2012 19:28:29 GMT -8
Short answer, monty? It's difficult to get me riled up, because...
I am comfortable with UCSB's identity that has emerged within the last 10 years across all sports. We know who we are now and we have made nice strides in basketball. I'm proud of it and can't wait to see where UCSB goes from here, post Orlando Johnson and crew.
I also like that despite having to go up vs the blue-bloods, UCSB still offered a scholarship to Marcus Lee. That would not have happened a couple years ago. I think things could be changing around there. - short answer over
as for the Big West itself? I can only appreciate all too well its reputation nationally in basketball. I did see it up close, ya know. However, despite dropping football and despite the defections over the last 20 years the Big West not only survived but is now bouncing back. its core members, the founding members - Irvine, Pacific, SB, Fullerton, Long Beach - are for the most part, like-minded institutions who stuck together after losing football. I am gonna miss Pacific when they leave, but at least they stayed long enough to see Hawaii come back.
One advantage it has over the Big East - there is no potential football vs. basketball split/religious split happening here.
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Post by beefeater on Aug 10, 2012 19:28:38 GMT -8
You're a pleasant person to be around huh? Somebody needs to lighten up! I dont know why anybody should have to defend their allegiance, but basically I was born and raised in SD, been going to Aztec games since I was 4 at Peterson Gym and The Sports Arena...went up to Fullerton for 2 years and came back to San Diego. Really that big of a deal that I transfered schools? haha My bad. Being righteous like that doesnt make anybody respect you more, pal. Knowing what you are talking about, though, does tend to make people respect you more. And when you say that, based on your personal experience, UCI's facility is about the same, or worse, as Fullerton's it makes me wonder if you know what you are talking about. Maybe you are just making it up, or perhaps when you talked about students who just went to get drunk, you were talking about yourself and you were too toasted to even know what campus you were on.
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Post by beefeater on Aug 10, 2012 19:49:38 GMT -8
funny you mention the WCC. no one has been giving that league enough credit. They are one of the biggest winners in conference realignment. BYU is right at home there and Pacific returns. I agree that has been an extremely well managed conference. The WCC benefits from having some very nice locations and some small but very pretty campuses. I've seen USD, Loyola, Pepperdine, Santa Clara and USF and all have great architecture. Don't know about Portland and Gonzaga and whatever other school I can't think of immediately. It's a misconception to think as many do that that conference has been built solely around Gonzaga. Before Gonzaga ever got good, USF had Bill Cartright and Quentin Dailey (and Russell and K.C. Jones long before that) and Loyola had Hank Gathers and the rest. And Pepperdine had some excellent teams in the Dennis Johnson days in the early eighties. In comparison, except for Long Beach and UNLV in the Tark days, the PCAA/Big Lots really hasn't done diddly squat in basketball. Although it doesn't apply to UCSB and Cal Poly, I attribute that mainly to having boring commuter campuses. The atmosphere simply doesn't lend itself to luring out of state stud athletes who want a true college experience. Once again, showing you don't know what you are talking about. During the Tark days, UCI was nationally ranked and had Scott Brooks and first team All American Kevin Magee. That is, in fact, why the Bren Center was built in the first place. And the Bren doesn't even come close to resembling Fullerton's Gym. The WCC, as we now know it, in terms of commanding NATIONAL attention, is in fact, built on Gonzaga. If it were built on Pepperdine, they would show Pepperdine. If it were built on USF, they would feature USF. For the better part of the past fifteen years, the only reason ESPN would show a game at USF or Pepperdine was because Gonzaga was in town. And your premise that the attractiveness of the campus is the reason that WCC teams have had more talent then BWC doesn't hold a shred of water. Fullerton has had more talent over the past five years than half the teams in the WCC, in fact a lot of it from transfers who left the WCC or the Pac 12. If you think they transfered to Fullerton for the beauty of the campus, you are nuts.
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Post by beefeater on Aug 10, 2012 20:03:44 GMT -8
cpalum said it best about our conference. bolded parts are my highlights: "As far as the Big West (I think the Big Sky is a different animal) it may be that you, like me remember the Big West and PCAA of years past which was a more compelling conference. When you think about the PCAA/BWC of old you think about San Jose, SDSU, UNLV and other schools that have now moved on to greener pastures. I'm happy for those programs but I miss the quality and the regional relevance those schools brought to the conference. As you pointed out above, in the 90s-00s the Big West went through an exodus of programs and lost football. As a fan that was a huge let down and when they back-filled their membership many schools were not as good and/or did not provide the regional interest that they once had. Anyway that was 20 years ago and since that time I think the conference has added some solid programs. Cal Poly and UC Davis and now Hawaii and SDSU. Times have changed...these schools are far more ambitous than the Northridges and UCR's that seem to be the punchline of every BWC joke. As a Poly fan I don't mind kicking Davis for a lack of ambition ...I'm just not sure it is true. They have arguably the best facilities in the conference and have been willing to invest....they have not performed as well as they should but if any school in the conference has real potential upside it has to be Davis. There is a point to this seemingly off topic post. The Big West was left for dead in the early 00s....They went through some rough spots but as of 2012 they have added quality programs, they have very solid baseball and one of the best soccer conferences in the country. Basketball is sub par but looks to be improving. It doesn't look much like the PCAA/Big West of my youth but it is stable, regionally relevant and growing its brand and doing it without football. The WAC would be well advised to take a hard look at how the Big West got through that tough time to be as solid as it is now." mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=451&f=2368&t=9176263&p=15That's all well and good, except Davis does not have the best facility (we are talking basketball right?). It has the most capacity but it is kind of a dump. I do agree that Davis has untapped potential. You have to keep in mind that Davis, like Riverside, is not far removed from the DII transition. And Davis got out of the blocks OK, with talented players such as Mark Payne, but then they had a meltdown. The team mutinies against the last coach. When they brought Jim Les, he was working with a roster that only had a couple of legit DI caliber players (and a couple of those were injured). Look, people either have short memories or no sense of perspective. They look at Davis's RPI from last year and think they have a grasp on the program. Most people have no clue. Riverside made the jump to DI, like many programs in the past decade have, without a real gameplan as to how to be successful at the next level. Only now are we starting to see some movement from them, from an organizational standpoint, toward legitimizing themselves as a DI athletic department. The reason the Big West took on the these programs (and Northridge) was to save money and for conference stability. And guess what? They saved money and stabilized the conference. It is what it is.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 10, 2012 20:15:26 GMT -8
cpalum said it best about our conference. bolded parts are my highlights: "As far as the Big West (I think the Big Sky is a different animal) it may be that you, like me remember the Big West and PCAA of years past which was a more compelling conference. When you think about the PCAA/BWC of old you think about San Jose, SDSU, UNLV and other schools that have now moved on to greener pastures. I'm happy for those programs but I miss the quality and the regional relevance those schools brought to the conference. As you pointed out above, in the 90s-00s the Big West went through an exodus of programs and lost football. As a fan that was a huge let down and when they back-filled their membership many schools were not as good and/or did not provide the regional interest that they once had. Anyway that was 20 years ago and since that time I think the conference has added some solid programs. Cal Poly and UC Davis and now Hawaii and SDSU. Times have changed...these schools are far more ambitous than the Northridges and UCR's that seem to be the punchline of every BWC joke. As a Poly fan I don't mind kicking Davis for a lack of ambition ...I'm just not sure it is true. They have arguably the best facilities in the conference and have been willing to invest....they have not performed as well as they should but if any school in the conference has real potential upside it has to be Davis. There is a point to this seemingly off topic post. The Big West was left for dead in the early 00s....They went through some rough spots but as of 2012 they have added quality programs, they have very solid baseball and one of the best soccer conferences in the country. Basketball is sub par but looks to be improving. It doesn't look much like the PCAA/Big West of my youth but it is stable, regionally relevant and growing its brand and doing it without football. The WAC would be well advised to take a hard look at how the Big West got through that tough time to be as solid as it is now." mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=451&f=2368&t=9176263&p=15That's all well and good, except Davis does not have the best facility (we are talking basketball right?). It has the most capacity but it is kind of a dump. I do agree that Davis has untapped potential. You have to keep in mind that Davis, like Riverside, is not far removed from the DII transition. And Davis got out of the blocks OK, with talented players such as Mark Payne, but then they had a meltdown. The team mutinies against the last coach. When they brought Jim Les, he was working with a roster that only had a couple of legit DI caliber players (and a couple of those were injured). Look, people either have short memories or no sense of perspective. They look at Davis's RPI from last year and think they have a grasp on the program. Most people have no clue. Riverside made the jump to DI, like many programs in the past decade have, without a real gameplan as to how to be successful at the next level. Only now are we starting to see some movement from them, from an organizational standpoint, toward legitimizing themselves as a DI athletic department. The reason the Big West took on the these programs (and Northridge) was to save money and for conference stability. And guess what? They saved money and stabilized the conference. It is what it is. those were the user's words, not mine.
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Post by monty on Aug 10, 2012 21:35:20 GMT -8
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 10, 2012 23:05:58 GMT -8
I don't trust him or Boise. Hope this is not true
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 10, 2012 23:10:20 GMT -8
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Post by k5james on Aug 10, 2012 23:47:16 GMT -8
Finally, now the rest of the Big Lots can back to their rightful place underneath our feet.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 11, 2012 9:06:56 GMT -8
Finally, now the rest of the Big Lots can back to their rightful place underneath our feet.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 11, 2012 9:09:45 GMT -8
Finally, now the rest of the Cal State San Diego fan base can go back to celebrating their rightful return to the Big West. I think that's what you meant, so I fixed your post. You're quite welcome
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Post by monty on Aug 11, 2012 9:47:24 GMT -8
Finally, now the rest of the Cal State San Diego fan base can go back to celebrating their rightful return to the Big West. I think that's what you meant, so I fixed your post. You're quite welcome What'd you do pick up a fresno grad in front of Home Depot to help you write smack
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 11, 2012 10:14:56 GMT -8
I think that's what you meant, so I fixed your post. You're quite welcome What'd you do pick up a fresno grad in front of Home Depot to help you write smack nope. i have not been to a home depot in years. it was a big lots. you know, the Fresno grad said he was looking for a home near the area
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 11, 2012 10:18:39 GMT -8
a little early to be celebrating their arrival, isn't it? until we hear an official announcement from Kustra, the AD Mark Coyle or commissioner Dennis Farrell - nothing has changed regarding the Dunks
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Post by monty on Aug 11, 2012 10:23:25 GMT -8
a little early to be celebrating their arrival, isn't it? until we hear an official announcement from Kustra, the AD Mark Coyle or commissioner Dennis Farrell - nothing has changed regarding the Dunks Would you admit Hawaii for travel stipends? -Sure How about Boise for less travel stipends -What kind of conference do you take us for? Well, madam big lots, we already know what type of conference you are, we're just haggling over the price
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