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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 10, 2011 13:24:51 GMT -8
[billmode] Well the Padres are hitting .421 on Tuesdays and Thursdays when the temperature is over 67 degrees and have outscored opponents 56-31 in games when a fan runs on the field. Headly averages 2.14 RBI when he eats Cinnamon Toast Crunch for breakfast. Cantu is hitting .323 since he changed his facial hair. The Padres are fine. [\billmode] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 10, 2011 13:26:52 GMT -8
I just watched the replay of the ninth inning of last night's game with LA...just bad bad baseball. Bases loaded with no outs and a 3-1 count. I blame Hoyer and ownership for not putting together a smarter line up. It was the 14th shutout of the season before the break. Time to start trading because the season is done (3-5 on this make or break road trip). Venable has NO CLUE where the strike zone is when he has 2 strikes. Throw anything up there within 2 feet of the plate and he'll hack at it. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 11, 2011 8:29:54 GMT -8
Where's Bill now? Show us more stats that try to prove that this Pads team is good offensively. They're a joke. I feel sorry for our pitchers Bill has been in Big Bear for a long weekend. Thanks for asking. I only saw the box scores for the recent games. Why do you think I would try to say 2 runs in 4 games is good offense? |
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Post by mayham81 on Jul 11, 2011 8:41:05 GMT -8
Past 5 games have been the most frustrating stretch of games in a loooong time. Team almost throws first ever no hitter but can't even score a single run to help out in the process. What's so frustrating is the pitching is good enough to win the division. Imagine if we still had Adrian this year, I think they would be contending.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 11, 2011 8:42:46 GMT -8
It's not about bashing bill. But this offense is pathetic. Next to last in runs scored at home, ranked #18th on the road in runs scored. It's not just a Petco thing. This offense is bad. The Padres are now 11th in the NL in runs per game on the road. They were 3rd in the NL before this road trip. This road trip started real well scoring 5 runs in each of the first 3 games and then only 2 runs in the last 4 games. Those last 4 games moved their offense from 3rd to 11th in the NL in scoring on the road. It also sealed their fate in the direction management will take for the rest of the year. We will be sellers. The feint hope of sweeping the Giants and getting back into the race, fell in that extra inning defeat last Thursday. Now only Houston, Florida, Washington, Milwaukee, and Colorado, in the NL, have scored less runs per game on the road than the Padres. |
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Post by aztecbruce on Jul 11, 2011 13:07:35 GMT -8
Where's Bill now? Show us more stats that try to prove that this Pads team is good offensively. They're a joke. I feel sorry for our pitchers Bill has been in Big Bear for a long weekend. Thanks for asking. I only saw the box scores for the recent games. Why do you think I would try to say 2 runs in 4 games is good offense? Who the hell knows? Based on history, you would try to spin it someway in a "positive" direction. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 11, 2011 14:23:03 GMT -8
Bill has been in Big Bear for a long weekend. Thanks for asking. I only saw the box scores for the recent games. Why do you think I would try to say 2 runs in 4 games is good offense? Who the hell knows? Based on history, you would try to spin it someway in a "positive" direction. Based on history? History is an on-going thing. You have become correct by history changing. When the Padres were 2nd in the NL in scoring on the road, you were wrong. Now that they are 11th, you are right. Things change. Scoring 2 runs in 4 games changes things. It is like we starting arguing at 6 in the morning whether it is hot or not. By noon your position that it is hot becomes the winning side. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 14:28:35 GMT -8
Who the hell knows? Based on history, you would try to spin it someway in a "positive" direction. Based on history? History is an on-going thing. You have become correct by history changing. When the Padres were 2nd in the NL in scoring on the road, you were wrong. Now that they are 11th, you are right. Things change. Scoring 2 runs in 4 games changes things. It is like we starting arguing at 6 in the morning about the temperature. By noon your position that it is hot becomes the winning side. And since everyone determines whether the day was hot at mid day (rather than at 6 am) the winning side is also the more reasonable side. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 11, 2011 14:32:11 GMT -8
Based on history? History is an on-going thing. You have become correct by history changing. When the Padres were 2nd in the NL in scoring on the road, you were wrong. Now that they are 11th, you are right. Things change. Scoring 2 runs in 4 games changes things. It is like we starting arguing at 6 in the morning about the temperature. By noon your position that it is hot becomes the winning side. And since everyone determines whether the day was hot at mid day (rather than at 6 am) the winning side is also the more reasonable side. This falls into what the meaning of "is" is. I changed the post to make it more clear to you. But me thinks you miss the point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2011 13:46:21 GMT -8
Mark Loretta hit 11 HR at Petco in 2004 (5 on road), those guys must be able to beat that imo. This did not happen. You must not have gotten the memo that it's impossible to hit for power at Petco and therefore we need only inexpensive players who can't hit for power. You need to stop preaching the Padres cheapness as some sort of conspiracy. No one is happy with the Padres payroll and the attendance numbers are a testament to that. The fans don't care why the Padres won't spend more money, they are just upset that they won't. There is no conspiracy. The Padres are cheap. Everybody knows that. Last year they won 90 games and the fans still didn't show up because of a lack of belief in ownership and a lack of belief in the constistancy of the team. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 12, 2011 14:20:07 GMT -8
This did not happen. You must not have gotten the memo that it's impossible to hit for power at Petco and therefore we need only inexpensive players who can't hit for power. You need to stop preaching the Padres cheapness as some sort of conspiracy. No one is happy with the Padres payroll and the attendance numbers are a testament to that. The fans don't care why the Padres won't spend more money, they are just upset that they won't. There is no conspiracy. The Padres are cheap. Everybody knows that. Last year they won 90 games and the fans still didn't show up because of a lack of belief in ownership and a lack of belief in the constistancy of the team. Someone I was talking to just said that the judge in the divorce proceedings mandated that the Padres payroll stay below $45 million so Moores wouldn't have to add any money to the team until the divorce was settled. Has anyone heard or read that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 10:50:01 GMT -8
You need to stop preaching the Padres cheapness as some sort of conspiracy. No one is happy with the Padres payroll and the attendance numbers are a testament to that. The fans don't care why the Padres won't spend more money, they are just upset that they won't. There is no conspiracy. The Padres are cheap. Everybody knows that. Last year they won 90 games and the fans still didn't show up because of a lack of belief in ownership and a lack of belief in the constistancy of the team. Someone I was talking to just said that the judge in the divorce proceedings mandated that the Padres payroll stay below $45 million so Moores wouldn't have to add any money to the team until the divorce was settled. Has anyone heard or read that? That's a load of bull$#!+ |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 13, 2011 12:11:21 GMT -8
Someone I was talking to just said that the judge in the divorce proceedings mandated that the Padres payroll stay below $45 million so Moores wouldn't have to add any money to the team until the divorce was settled. Has anyone heard or read that? That's a load of bull$#!+ That was my initial reaction too. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 21, 2011 9:15:22 GMT -8
Venable has NO CLUE where the strike zone is when he has 2 strikes. Throw anything up there within 2 feet of the plate and he'll hack at it. Venable has been hitting a lot better. Venable since June 14.309 .402 .451 .853 6-1 Stolen Bases-Caught Stealing |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 21, 2011 13:43:48 GMT -8
Venable has NO CLUE where the strike zone is when he has 2 strikes. Throw anything up there within 2 feet of the plate and he'll hack at it. Venable has been hitting a lot better. Venable since June 14.309 .402 .451 .853 6-1 Stolen Bases-Caught Stealing Another 2 hits today with a stolen base. But he did have another 2 strikeouts ;D Having Venable come though is huge because he brings so much more to the team. Great defensively and a great base runner. 18 steals and only caught 3 times.
.316 since June 14.
This is really one of those eyeball things that I heard about. Venable really looks like a player when he is hitting. I have the feeling that he could be a special player. I really don't have as positive a feeling about any other Padres hitter except maybe Maybin. My whole Headley thing is about the numbers - not an eyeball test. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 25, 2011 14:31:44 GMT -8
The Padres have outscored the Phillies 202 to 210 on the road. It is interesting to hear the national media on Fox Game of the Week talking about how bad the Padres offense and how great the Phillies offense is. I wonder how they would reconcile the fact that the offenses have scored about the same number of runs per game on the road. It is as if park effect is a figment of some one's imagination.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 9:18:16 GMT -8
The Padres have outscored the Phillies 202 to 210 on the road. It is interesting to hear the national media on Fox Game of the Week talking about how bad the Padres offense and how great the Phillies offense is. I wonder how they would reconcile the fact that the offenses have scored about the same number of runs per game on the road. It is as if park effect is a figment of some one's imagination. If you had your pick Bill, whose offense do you think is better? The Padres or the Phillies? |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 26, 2011 10:49:50 GMT -8
The Padres have outscored the Phillies 202 to 210 on the road. It is interesting to hear the national media on Fox Game of the Week talking about how bad the Padres offense and how great the Phillies offense is. I wonder how they would reconcile the fact that the offenses have scored about the same number of runs per game on the road. It is as if park effect is a figment of some one's imagination. If you had your pick Bill, whose offense do you think is better? The Padres or the Phillies? I would take the Phillies. But it is hard to judge fairly given the home parks. I think if the Padres played 81 games a year in the Phillies park, our feelings about the players would be much different. Also if the Phillies played in Petco Park 81 games a year, our perception of their offense would lower considerably. Over the last two years the Phillies have scored more than the Padres by 0.72 runs a game. That is comprised of scoring more at home by 1.24 runs a game. And scoring more on the road at 0.20 runs per game. My contention is that the 0.20 road difference is more a reality of the differences than the 0.72 runs per game because the 1.24 runs per game is a grossly inaccurate measure of reality due to their respective home parks. Note: I used two years to be talking about 100 games at home and 100 games on the road, instead of 50 each. Sample Size. Just using this year the difference on the road is 0.15 runs per game on the road. Another way to look at it is, if the Padres scored 8 more runs (on the road) they would be identical. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 14:34:34 GMT -8
If you had your pick Bill, whose offense do you think is better? The Padres or the Phillies? I would take the Phillies. But it is hard to judge fairly given the home parks. I think if the Padres played 81 games a year in the Phillies park, our feelings about the players would be much different. Also if the Phillies played in Petco Park 81 games a year, our perception of their offense would lower considerably. Over the last two years the Phillies have scored more than the Padres by 0.72 runs a game. That is comprised of scoring more at home by 1.24 runs a game. And scoring more on the road at 0.20 runs per game. My contention is that the 0.20 road difference is more a reality of the differences than the 0.72 runs per game because the 1.24 runs per game is a grossly inaccurate measure of reality due to their respective home parks. Note: I used two years to be talking about 100 games at home and 100 games on the road, instead of 50 each. Sample Size. Just using this year the difference on the road is 0.15 runs per game on the road. Another way to look at it is, if the Padres scored 8 more runs (on the road) they would be identical. There is so much variance it is impossible to accurately compare one offense to another by your means Bill. You would have to take into account every opposing team, opposing ballpark, opposing pitcher, opposing defense. If you want to look that deep into statistics be my guest. But you will never find a way out without coming up with some lurking variable in one aspect or another. what we can go by are basic statistics fans and analysts have used for years that have paid off and proven true. The phillies have by far and away a better offense than the Padres. You can come up with every stat you want, but anybody that watches the game of baseball knows that the Phillies have about 3 or 4 players on their team that are better hitters than anybody the Padres have. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 26, 2011 16:11:23 GMT -8
I would take the Phillies. But it is hard to judge fairly given the home parks. I think if the Padres played 81 games a year in the Phillies park, our feelings about the players would be much different. Also if the Phillies played in Petco Park 81 games a year, our perception of their offense would lower considerably. Over the last two years the Phillies have scored more than the Padres by 0.72 runs a game. That is comprised of scoring more at home by 1.24 runs a game. And scoring more on the road at 0.20 runs per game. My contention is that the 0.20 road difference is more a reality of the differences than the 0.72 runs per game because the 1.24 runs per game is a grossly inaccurate measure of reality due to their respective home parks. Note: I used two years to be talking about 100 games at home and 100 games on the road, instead of 50 each. Sample Size. Just using this year the difference on the road is 0.15 runs per game on the road. Another way to look at it is, if the Padres scored 8 more runs (on the road) they would be identical. There is so much variance it is impossible to accurately compare one offense to another by your means Bill. You would have to take into account every opposing team, opposing ballpark, opposing pitcher, opposing defense. If you want to look that deep into statistics be my guest. But you will never find a way out without coming up with some lurking variable in one aspect or another. what we can go by are basic statistics fans and analysts have used for years that have paid off and proven true. The phillies have by far and away a better offense than the Padres. You can come up with every stat you want, but anybody that watches the game of baseball knows that the Phillies have about 3 or 4 players on their team that are better hitters than anybody the Padres have. Looking at games at home and games on the road is very broad divisions. Considering the offensive aspects of the two ball parks, road data is more accurate than overall data, because home data skews the data too much for both the Phillies and the Padres for its unaltered use. Wanting to look at the very obvious half the season breakdown, does not require further breakdowns to look at actual team and pitching matchups as you suggest. If two people's running times are compared, it would be nice to know if one was running uphill half the time and the other downhill half the time. You suggest we use all the numbers when we have other data showing them running on fairly equivalent ground. Throwing out tainted data is a very important in science. It is also very important if you want to accurately judge the Padres offensive too. Did you use to think the Rockies were the best offensive team in baseball every year before the humidores? |
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