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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 9, 2011 11:03:41 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 9, 2011 14:08:01 GMT -8
Not a surprising position for Hoffa considering his history.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Feb 9, 2011 14:15:43 GMT -8
Agree with much of what he says. Not all but most.
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Post by aztec70 on Feb 9, 2011 18:16:24 GMT -8
He is right. The plutucracy is on the march. For William and aztecwin it is not a big deal. Old age will put them in their grave before we become like Mexico. It is their grandchildren that will be peons if this country does not come to its senses.
You retired public servants need to look further than your next pension check. If this country does not look up and see what is happening there will be trouble in a generation's time.
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 10, 2011 14:12:26 GMT -8
He is right. The plutucracy is on the march. For William and aztecwin it is not a big deal. Old age will put them in their grave before we become like Mexico. It is their grandchildren that will be peons if this country does not come to its senses. You retired public servants need to look further than your next pension check. If this country does not look up and see what is happening there will be trouble in a generation's time. I am sure that William feels close to how I do. We would both be much better off had we had "pay as you go" retirement plans available as would the entities responsible for making the payments. As it is and was, we took full advantage of the options we had before us at the time. Not to late for reform now! |
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Post by inocuace on Feb 12, 2011 13:32:07 GMT -8
He is right. The plutucracy is on the march. For William and aztecwin it is not a big deal. Old age will put them in their grave before we become like Mexico. It is their grandchildren that will be peons if this country does not come to its senses. You retired public servants need to look further than your next pension check. If this country does not look up and see what is happening there will be trouble in a generation's time. I am sure that William feels close to how I do. We would both be much better off had we had "pay as you go" retirement plans available as would the entities responsible for making the payments. As it is and was, we took full advantage of the options we had before us at the time. Not to late for reform now! Yes, of course, it is easy to talk reform when it is someone else will bear the brunt of the sacrifice. That is the same as saying their contribution does not equal your own. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 12, 2011 16:24:04 GMT -8
I am sure that William feels close to how I do. We would both be much better off had we had "pay as you go" retirement plans available as would the entities responsible for making the payments. As it is and was, we took full advantage of the options we had before us at the time. Not to late for reform now! Yes, of course, it is easy to talk reform when it is someone else will bear the brunt of the sacrifice. That is the same as saying their contribution does not equal your own. I know it is rather hard for liberals to understand the concept of win/win. When I suggest that I would be better off under a system that was paid for and owned by the employee and paid for jointly by the employer and employee from current assets rather than leaving an unfunded long term liability as a legacy for future generations to suffer under should not elicit that snarky response. I guess it is part of liberal DNA to think only in terms of being a burden on other people rather than taking care of themselves. |
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Post by inocuace on Feb 12, 2011 20:06:18 GMT -8
Yes, of course, it is easy to talk reform when it is someone else will bear the brunt of the sacrifice. That is the same as saying their contribution does not equal your own. I know it is rather hard for liberals to understand the concept of win/win. When I suggest that I would be better off under a system that was paid for and owned by the employee and paid for jointly by the employer and employee from current assets rather than leaving an unfunded long term liability as a legacy for future generations to suffer under should not elicit that snarky response. I guess it is part of liberal DNA to think only in terms of being a burden on other people rather than taking care of themselves. My mind works fine, thank you. The idea of win/win is not a concept Conservatives take to very much. Their win/win is less tax. And to Hades with everyone and anything else. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 13, 2011 8:10:26 GMT -8
I know it is rather hard for liberals to understand the concept of win/win. When I suggest that I would be better off under a system that was paid for and owned by the employee and paid for jointly by the employer and employee from current assets rather than leaving an unfunded long term liability as a legacy for future generations to suffer under should not elicit that snarky response. I guess it is part of liberal DNA to think only in terms of being a burden on other people rather than taking care of themselves. My mind works fine, thank you. The idea of win/win is not a concept Conservatives take to very much. Their win/win is less tax. And to Hades with everyone and anything else. I suggest you read and rethink your response. It does not come close to what is suggested. |
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Post by inocuace on Feb 13, 2011 8:31:48 GMT -8
My mind works fine, thank you. The idea of win/win is not a concept Conservatives take to very much. Their win/win is less tax. And to Hades with everyone and anything else. I suggest you read and rethink your response. It does not come close to what is suggested. There is almost zero mathematical chance that you understand what you read better than I do, Win. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 13, 2011 10:38:46 GMT -8
I suggest you read and rethink your response. It does not come close to what is suggested. There is almost zero mathematical chance that you understand what you read better than I do, Win. Must not be math then!  |
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Post by inocuace on Feb 13, 2011 11:30:53 GMT -8
There is almost zero mathematical chance that you understand what you read better than I do, Win. Must not be math then! The only math I remember on the subject is 99+ |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Feb 15, 2011 16:40:31 GMT -8
He is right. The plutucracy is on the march. For William and aztecwin it is not a big deal. Old age will put them in their grave before we become like Mexico. It is their grandchildren that will be peons if this country does not come to its senses. You retired public servants need to look further than your next pension check. If this country does not look up and see what is happening there will be trouble in a generation's time. I am sure that William feels close to how I do. We would both be much better off had we had "pay as you go" retirement plans available as would the entities responsible for making the payments. Oh really? Is your Nav retirement, which you started taking at age 38, a pay as you go system? Why is it your retirement is fine while all other retirement systems suck? I'm sorry, but there is no way in Hell anyone should be drawing retirement checks at the age you did it. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 15, 2011 17:10:51 GMT -8
I am sure that William feels close to how I do. We would both be much better off had we had "pay as you go" retirement plans available as would the entities responsible for making the payments. Oh really? Is your Nav retirement, which you started taking at age 38, a pay as you go system? Why is it your retirement is fine while all other retirement systems suck? I'm sorry, but there is no way in Hell anyone should be drawing retirement checks at the age you did it. =Bob Another troll alert! Must be tippling as he can't get the age correct or address the subject at hand in context. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Feb 16, 2011 9:11:43 GMT -8
Oh really? Is your Nav retirement, which you started taking at age 38, a pay as you go system? Why is it your retirement is fine while all other retirement systems suck? I'm sorry, but there is no way in Hell anyone should be drawing retirement checks at the age you did it. =Bob Another troll alert! Must be tippling as he can't get the age correct or address the subject at hand in context. You never answered his question sailor-boy. BTW, I don't fault your retirement, you earned it. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 16, 2011 9:47:21 GMT -8
Another troll alert! Must be tippling as he can't get the age correct or address the subject at hand in context. You never answered his question sailor-boy. BTW, I don't fault your retirement, you earned it. I answered his mean spirited question above. I have often said that both the retiree and the government would be better off under a system described above. No unfunded future liability. |
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Post by tuff on Feb 19, 2011 12:40:12 GMT -8
Win Yes, of course, it is easy to talk reform when it is someone else will bear the brunt of the sacrifice. That is the same as saying their contribution does not equal your own. I know it is rather hard for liberals to understand the concept of win/win. When I suggest that I would be better off under a system that was paid for and owned by the employee and paid for jointly by the employer and employee from current assets rather than leaving an unfunded long term liability as a legacy for future generations to suffer under should not elicit that snarky response. I guess it is part of liberal DNA to think only in terms of being a burden on other people rather than taking care of themselves. "TOU (f**king) CHE!!!!!!! Love it..Win. Public employees are not villians. They do necessary jobs and i appreciate what they do. Unions have led them down the path of entitlements and the free lunch. We are bankrupt, and changes have to be made. The private sector had to make big time adjustments, and I expect government will too. |
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Post by inocuace on Feb 19, 2011 14:23:07 GMT -8
Win I know it is rather hard for liberals to understand the concept of win/win. When I suggest that I would be better off under a system that was paid for and owned by the employee and paid for jointly by the employer and employee from current assets rather than leaving an unfunded long term liability as a legacy for future generations to suffer under should not elicit that snarky response. I guess it is part of liberal DNA to think only in terms of being a burden on other people rather than taking care of themselves. "TOU (f**king) CHE!!!!!!! Love it..Win. Public employees are not villians. They do necessary jobs and i appreciate what they do. Unions have led them down the path of entitlements and the free lunch. We are bankrupt, and changes have to be made. The private sector had to make big time adjustments, and I expect government will too. Bankrupt- my a$$. We weren't about ten years ago when Bush cut those taxes and sent us on a hunt for weapons of mass destruction. I remember the newspaper articles talking about the hazards of a GD surplus!! Unions have let no one down. The Conservatives have beaten on them for so long with their rhetoric, you would think so. Tell me someone,anyone, how business is any better than any union. How come we never complain on this board about business excesses, such as the ones that have initiated the last four recessions? |
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Post by inocuace on Feb 19, 2011 14:39:41 GMT -8
Yes, of course, it is easy to talk reform when it is someone else will bear the brunt of the sacrifice. That is the same as saying their contribution does not equal your own. I know it is rather hard for liberals to understand the concept of win/win. When I suggest that I would be better off under a system that was paid for and owned by the employee and paid for jointly by the employer and employee from current assets rather than leaving an unfunded long term liability as a legacy for future generations to suffer under should not elicit that snarky response. I guess it is part of liberal DNA to think only in terms of being a burden on other people rather than taking care of themselves. Don't give me that burden BS, petty officer. My wife and I save more than both of our sons together earn per year. Lately, because of business the return on my money is non existent and my stock, well it isn't 2007 is it? And my house? Lets not go there! Thanks business! So, the investor assumes the risk for investment in your plan for the universe, with no fall back. In your universe, the patient takes all the risk for health care. In your universe the student takes the entire risk for his education. In your universe the single employee assumes all the risk for employment. In your universe it does not matter if people fail. It does not matter if people get sick, it does not matter if people are uneducated, it does not matter if people are unemployed, it does not matter if people have no control of the future. It only matters that you that don't have to pay tax. But let me tell you sailor boy, those broke, poor, uneducated, sick unemployed people do affect you whether you like it or not. And the only way they won't is for you to buy an island and start your own country. |
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Post by davdesid on Feb 19, 2011 15:44:24 GMT -8
>>>Don't give me that burden BS, petty officer.<<< Hmmm... ...is "petty officer" a pejorative now? Like the "A"word? And "sailor boy"? tinyurl.com/4mzw8emThey're not ALL dirtbags. |
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