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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 14, 2011 18:31:20 GMT -8
Perhaps if you did not drink so many Margaritas you would be able to run the numbers. I am glad that you recognize that it is not only me, but your children and grandchildren that will be paying for your lifestyle long after you are dead. I see you have no clue as to what you are saying. Well at any rate, thanks again for the pitcher of Patron Margaritas. The Dr. says I should only have one a day, so I make it in a wash tub. I better turn in soon, as I have to get up early to play golf. Patron? McQ would tell you that's over-priced swill. =Bob |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 14, 2011 18:40:30 GMT -8
Back to the subject at hand. As I believe I wrote upstream, if you compare apples to apples by looking at wages based upon education levels, you'll generally find that public employees, and in particular white collar workers, make less than those in the private sector. I'm pretty well aware of this given my career as a planner. The only problem is in bad times people tend to gravitate back to the public sector but in good times they generally make a lot more in the private sector. I know any number of people who have repeatedly moved from one sector to the other depending on the economy. The difference is in the public sector there are pay steps and once you reach the highest of those you salary doesn't increase except for COLA increases no matter how good you are at your job. I've spent most, but not all, my life working in the public sector. I did it in great part because I believe in the notions behind being a "public servant" but also because I never cared to work for some dickwad developer who would demand I go against my principles. Other planner's views vary and I don't blame them for their decision, but the notion that workers in the public sector make huge amounts of bucks is nonsense. =Bob Do a search on these terms and you will see where you are wrong. "public vs private sector pay" People have various reason why they choose to work in certain types of environments and in my mind there is no clear right way to go. If pay and security are at or near the top of your priority list, your would be in the public sector and that is fine. If you think that all private developers are "dickwads", you are in the right place in county planning putting up roadblocks to development and job growth at the expense of those tax paying developers. Come back and talk to me once you have been a developer. You really have no clue what you're writing about. But then again, that's par for the course. Christ, if you had a clue, you'd understand the fact that in my first 3-year term at County planning I processed upwards of 50 minor subdivisions in North County and the average processing time was around 7 months from application submittal to approval. But of course I understand that as a right-wing nut who understands nothing about land use you figure it should be as it used to be - pay your 25 bucks and a day later you get you 4 lot subdivision approved. Sorry Bunky, but in my experience it ain't just the flaming liberals who found something wrong with that. In fact, quite often it was the Back Country right-wingers who hated it. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 15, 2011 12:38:09 GMT -8
Do a search on these terms and you will see where you are wrong. "public vs private sector pay" People have various reason why they choose to work in certain types of environments and in my mind there is no clear right way to go. If pay and security are at or near the top of your priority list, your would be in the public sector and that is fine. If you think that all private developers are "dickwads", you are in the right place in county planning putting up roadblocks to development and job growth at the expense of those tax paying developers. Come back and talk to me once you have been a developer. You really have no clue what you're writing about. But then again, that's par for the course. Christ, if you had a clue, you'd understand the fact that in my first 3-year term at County planning I processed upwards of 50 minor subdivisions in North County and the average processing time was around 7 months from application submittal to approval. But of course I understand that as a right-wing nut who understands nothing about land use you figure it should be as it used to be - pay your 25 bucks and a day later you get you 4 lot subdivision approved. Sorry Bunky, but in my experience it ain't just the flaming liberals who found something wrong with that. In fact, quite often it was the Back Country right-wingers who hated it. =Bob Mr. Seven Month Roadblock thinks that is OK. By the time you paper stallers act out your charade of passing a document around to every clerk and secratary in your office complex to double check that the time stamps are not within a month of each other, a project could have been built and sold with taxes and fees paid. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 15, 2011 15:47:41 GMT -8
Come back and talk to me once you have been a developer. You really have no clue what you're writing about. But then again, that's par for the course. Christ, if you had a clue, you'd understand the fact that in my first 3-year term at County planning I processed upwards of 50 minor subdivisions in North County and the average processing time was around 7 months from application submittal to approval. But of course I understand that as a right-wing nut who understands nothing about land use you figure it should be as it used to be - pay your 25 bucks and a day later you get you 4 lot subdivision approved. Sorry Bunky, but in my experience it ain't just the flaming liberals who found something wrong with that. In fact, quite often it was the Back Country right-wingers who hated it. =Bob Mr. Seven Month Roadblock thinks that is OK. By the time you paper stallers act out your charade of passing a document around to every clerk and secratary in your office complex to double check that the time stamps are not within a month of each other, a project could have been built and sold with taxes and fees paid. I see. You'd rather it went back to the way it was in the '60s when a minor subdivision applicant could come in, pay his 25 bucks and get the subdivision approved by some idiot engineer. Everything above is crap because you have never been on my side of it, nor, I suspect have you ever engaged in a subdivision of any sort. I mean really Pooh, at least walk in developers' shoes before you flap your fingers on here. For someone with something of an innate, if uneducated, understanding of land use, you still do not understand how it works or why the regulations are in place. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 15, 2011 16:14:09 GMT -8
Mr. Seven Month Roadblock thinks that is OK. By the time you paper stallers act out your charade of passing a document around to every clerk and secratary in your office complex to double check that the time stamps are not within a month of each other, a project could have been built and sold with taxes and fees paid. I see. You'd rather it went back to the way it was in the '60s when a minor subdivision applicant could come in, pay his 25 bucks and get the subdivision approved by some idiot engineer. Everything above is crap because you have never been on my side of it, nor, I suspect have you ever engaged in a subdivision of any sort. I mean really Pooh, at least walk in developers' shoes before you flap your fingers on here. For someone with something of an innate, if uneducated, understanding of land use, you still do not understand how it works or why the regulations are in place. =Bob What developers shoes have you walked in? You were just that seven month impediment to progress and tax revenue. |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Mar 19, 2011 18:37:32 GMT -8
I see. You'd rather it went back to the way it was in the '60s when a minor subdivision applicant could come in, pay his 25 bucks and get the subdivision approved by some idiot engineer. Everything above is crap because you have never been on my side of it, nor, I suspect have you ever engaged in a subdivision of any sort. I mean really Pooh, at least walk in developers' shoes before you flap your fingers on here. For someone with something of an innate, if uneducated, understanding of land use, you still do not understand how it works or why the regulations are in place. =Bob What developers shoes have you walked in? You were just that seven month impediment to progress and tax revenue. Crap answer. In my first stint at County planning I dealt with a fair number of property owners who were land rich but cash poor, particularly in Valley Center. Because you've never engaged in any sort of subdivision in this county as far as I know, you really don't have a clue what planners do and how much most of us go out of the way to help people. It used to be easy. As I wrote, submit a plat, pay 25 bucks and a couple days later have your minor subdivision approved by some DPW engineer. What that led to is a ton of 4-lot subdivisions on parcels with no access and no water. And under the Subdivision Map Act, the first person to apply for any sort of permit on a parcel created by a minor subdivision has to pay for constructing the roads, often in terrain that would cost tens of thousands of bucks to build. What you refuse to understand is most of the regulations are in place because of the abuses and flat out fraud that occurred in the past - people selling property with hidden costs being foremost. Of course, as a right wing nut I'm sure you have no problem with that, but during my time as a public servant, it wasn't my job to worry about a developer's profit, it was my job to worry about what the developer was selling and whether the buyer was buying a pig in a poke. That's the difference between you and me - I have morals and you don't. =Bob |
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Post by aztecwin on Mar 20, 2011 4:57:39 GMT -8
What developers shoes have you walked in? You were just that seven month impediment to progress and tax revenue. Crap answer. In my first stint at County planning I dealt with a fair number of property owners who were land rich but cash poor, particularly in Valley Center. Because you've never engaged in any sort of subdivision in this county as far as I know, you really don't have a clue what planners do and how much most of us go out of the way to help people. It used to be easy. As I wrote, submit a plat, pay 25 bucks and a couple days later have your minor subdivision approved by some DPW engineer. What that led to is a ton of 4-lot subdivisions on parcels with no access and no water. And under the Subdivision Map Act, the first person to apply for any sort of permit on a parcel created by a minor subdivision has to pay for constructing the roads, often in terrain that would cost tens of thousands of bucks to build. What you refuse to understand is most of the regulations are in place because of the abuses and flat out fraud that occurred in the past - people selling property with hidden costs being foremost. Of course, as a right wing nut I'm sure you have no problem with that, but during my time as a public servant, it wasn't my job to worry about a developer's profit, it was my job to worry about what the developer was selling and whether the buyer was buying a pig in a poke. That's the difference between you and me - I have morals and you don't. =Bob Nice answer Mr. Morals. The only problem it is to the wrong question. What developers shoes have you walked in Mr. Impediment to Progress?  |
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