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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 12:01:17 GMT -8
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Post by laaztec on Jun 3, 2010 12:32:38 GMT -8
That would be huge. I guess we will know what's going on by Monday night. This could be good and bad for the MWC.
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Post by monty on Jun 3, 2010 12:35:48 GMT -8
So many moving parts here, and if it's the same article I just read, it changes course and talks about oklahoma and aTm to the SEC, so it sounds like just more speculation. Also, it says that Nebraska isn't getting into the Big10, but that would seem to be a prime target then for the Pac10
Biggest road blocks: Stanford and Cal allowing in Texas Tech which is a worse school than SDSU and Oklahoma State; ASU and UofA being sliced away from california and on top of it having to travel 2 time zones most of the year.
The money will be big and the Arizona schools would have to recruit Texas which might assuage their fears; Stanford remains one of the wild cards.
I am and have been intrigued, but still skeptical (as is the ambivalence in the article)
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Post by monty on Jun 3, 2010 12:36:46 GMT -8
That would be huge. I guess we will know what's going on by Monday night. This could be good and bad for the MWC. If the pac absorbed 6 of the big 12, the MWC would have a lot of free agents to go after |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 13:02:29 GMT -8
So many moving parts here, and if it's the same article I just read, it changes course and talks about oklahoma and aTm to the SEC, so it sounds like just more speculation. Also, it says that Nebraska isn't getting into the Big10, but that would seem to be a prime target then for the Pac10 Biggest road blocks: Stanford and Cal allowing in Texas Tech which is a worse school than SDSU and Oklahoma State; ASU and UofA being sliced away from california and on top of it having to travel 2 time zones most of the year. Arizona is on so-called daylight savings year round, which would reduce the time zone difference to just an hour for half the school year. As to Nebraska, I'm very hard pressed to think they are going to the Big Ten. I agree with you on Texas Tech and think the only way the Red Raiders would go to the Pac is if the Texas legislature requires it as a condition of allowing Texas to join the Pac. If that would occur, UT is such a highly valuable commodity, I can see even Stanford biting its tongue and approving of Tech. BTW, I've said it before and I'll say it again now. I think this could be the Mountain West in a couple years, with travel partners: AFA-Kansas St. Boise St.-BYU CSU-Wyoming SDSU-UNLV TCU-Texas Tech UNM-Utah Tech could, of course, be asked to join the Pac8/Big12-6+2 rather than Kansas. (On the MWC board many are saying Utah makes more sense. That could be too, but rumors about the Utes seem to have fallen by the wayside the last couple months.) |
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Post by monty on Jun 3, 2010 13:31:29 GMT -8
Minor correction, Arizona doesn't go day light savings time, i.e. they don't move their clocks.
The only way tech is coming is as a package deal, if it's a package deal it's also part of travel considerations, and that is precisely why Utah is not part of this at all and perhaps why nebraska isn't (Texas is taking care of their own, the pac wants colorado's profile to offset Okie state and texas tech and perhaps Texas retribution for flirting - Texas does seem to be rather vindictive)
Some consolation is going to have to be made for Arizona and UofA to have to deal with that travel when everyone else gets what they want (northwest stays tied california, texas gets their guys and travel partners, stanford gets at least two of the top 50 schools in the nation in texas and UCB). Perhaps they get USC and UCLA as permanat interdivision teams.
My family is all ASU grads, so I might have a dog in the fight, but I see this as the death of ASU football - they will not be able to recruit california as strongly, travel is going to kill them, and now they are stuck with Oklahoma and texas lording over them.
One thing that would be a cool marketing thing that popped into my head is since the western division would be the old pac schools, the divisions would be the pac8 and big8 with a different name plate for the conference as a whole.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Jun 3, 2010 13:56:49 GMT -8
Certainly a very intriguing article. I wonder if our Commish got a whisper of this possible scenario. It’s probably one reason why MWC is only expanding with Boise St.
IF Missouri does join the Big10, that would leave Kansas, K-State, Nebraska, Iowa St. and Baylor without a home and potential MWC targets. IMO, Iowa St. would be the odd-school out. Baylor would compliment TCU. Nebraska's football prowess cannot be ignored. Kansas' marquee name in basketball would increase MWC's prestige enormously. Evidently, K-State would come as a package with KU as their in-state rival.
I wonder IF we extend an invite to the 4 aforementioned teams, they’d force to come as a package deal with Iowa St. If the only way to make them merge with us, then we obviously will have to follow the PAC10 route and go to 16 teams forcing the MWC to expand rapidly – almost repeating the WAC16 history. The 16th team candidate will be most interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 14:22:41 GMT -8
Monty, I agree on the Arizona daylight savings thing. That was my point, which wasn't well stated apparently.
For both of you guys, this rumor just convinces me all the more that Nebraska and Mizzou will be going to the Big Ten and Texas knows it. Texas is THE mover and shaker in all this and it's apparent they're trying to work out something which will keep allow them to keep some of their traditional rivalries with Oklahoma, aTm, etc. while allowing Nebraska and Mizzou to separate themselves while also allowing Texas to cultivate the Longhorn Network while increasing their academic footprint.
Could be a really, really good result for SDSU and the MWC. Maybe not so good for Fresno State, however.
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Post by choop on Jun 3, 2010 14:28:06 GMT -8
They only mention 5 teams in the article, and we'll have to see if anybody declines. This could be a proactive measure against the Big-10 and SEC picking the Big 12 apart before the PAC 10 could make an offer. MWC could still lose a team or two depending on how this plays out. If this is real, things should happen quickly.
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Post by monty on Jun 3, 2010 14:39:52 GMT -8
They only mention 5 teams in the article, and we'll have to see if anybody declines. This could be a proactive measure against the Big-10 and SEC picking the Big 12 apart before the PAC 10 could make an offer. MWC could still lose a team or two depending on how this plays out. If this is real, things should happen quickly. The 6 teams being mentioned are: Texas Texas A&M Texas Tech Oklahoma OkState Colorado |
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Jun 3, 2010 14:56:01 GMT -8
Monty, I agree on the Arizona daylight savings thing. That was my point, which wasn't well stated apparently. For both of you guys, this rumor just convinces me all the more that Nebraska and Mizzou will be going to the Big Ten and Texas knows it. Texas is THE mover and shaker in all this and it's apparent they're trying to work out something which will keep allow them to keep some of their traditional rivalries with Oklahoma, aTm, etc. while allowing Nebraska and Mizzou to separate themselves while also allowing Texas to cultivate the Longhorn Network while increasing their academic footprint. Could be a really, really good result for SDSU and the MWC. Maybe not so good for Fresno State, however. On the contrary, I get the feeling that Nebraska will be left out of the Big10 expansion plans despite their achievements in football. If the Big 10 takes a school from the Big XII, I can see Missouri as their main and only candidate. Then they’ll look east, which has been their main plans all along, where they can further enlarge their tv market. I agree that the collapse of the Big XII will be favorable for SDSU and MWC. |
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Post by some_aztec on Jun 3, 2010 15:03:03 GMT -8
So many moving parts here, and if it's the same article I just read, it changes course and talks about oklahoma and aTm to the SEC, so it sounds like just more speculation. Also, it says that Nebraska isn't getting into the Big10, but that would seem to be a prime target then for the Pac10 Biggest road blocks: Stanford and Cal allowing in Texas Tech which is a worse school than SDSU and Oklahoma State; ASU and UofA being sliced away from california and on top of it having to travel 2 time zones most of the year. Arizona is on so-called daylight savings year round, which would reduce the time zone difference to just an hour for half the school year. As to Nebraska, I'm very hard pressed to think they are going to the Big Ten. I agree with you on Texas Tech and think the only way the Red Raiders would go to the Pac is if the Texas legislature requires it as a condition of allowing Texas to join the Pac. If that would occur, UT is such a highly valuable commodity, I can see even Stanford biting its tongue and approving of Tech. BTW, I've said it before and I'll say it again now. I think this could be the Mountain West in a couple years, with travel partners: AFA-Kansas St. Boise St.-BYU CSU-Wyoming SDSU-UNLV TCU-Texas Tech UNM-Utah Tech could, of course, be asked to join the Pac8/Big12-6+2 rather than Kansas. (On the MWC board many are saying Utah makes more sense. That could be too, but rumors about the Utes seem to have fallen by the wayside the last couple months.) Assuming the article linked on the top is correct, and you're correct in that Nebraska won't be joining the Big-10, then why wouldn't they consider the MWC? (It seems if Tx, aTm & OK are in the Pac, the Big-12 doesn't have much of a reason to exist anymore.) In that case, whomever doesn't get accepted into the Pac-10 or Big-10 would be prime targets to join the MWC (with the notable exceptions of ISU & Baylor). Adding Boise, plus potentially Nebraska or Mizzou would make the MWC an unquestioned BCS conference. The bad news would be that it would also mean that SDSU's competition just got more difficult... Oh, and does everyone agree that the above situation is the best possible situation for the MWC? |
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Post by monty on Jun 3, 2010 15:28:13 GMT -8
Arizona is on so-called daylight savings year round, which would reduce the time zone difference to just an hour for half the school year. As to Nebraska, I'm very hard pressed to think they are going to the Big Ten. I agree with you on Texas Tech and think the only way the Red Raiders would go to the Pac is if the Texas legislature requires it as a condition of allowing Texas to join the Pac. If that would occur, UT is such a highly valuable commodity, I can see even Stanford biting its tongue and approving of Tech. BTW, I've said it before and I'll say it again now. I think this could be the Mountain West in a couple years, with travel partners: AFA-Kansas St. Boise St.-BYU CSU-Wyoming SDSU-UNLV TCU-Texas Tech UNM-Utah Tech could, of course, be asked to join the Pac8/Big12-6+2 rather than Kansas. (On the MWC board many are saying Utah makes more sense. That could be too, but rumors about the Utes seem to have fallen by the wayside the last couple months.) Assuming the article linked on the top is correct, and you're correct in that Nebraska won't be joining the Big-10, then why wouldn't they consider the MWC? (It seems if Tx, aTm & OK are in the Pac, the Big-12 doesn't have much of a reason to exist anymore.) In that case, whomever doesn't get accepted into the Pac-10 or Big-10 would be prime targets to join the MWC (with the notable exceptions of ISU & Baylor). Adding Boise, plus potentially Nebraska or Mizzou would make the MWC an unquestioned BCS conference. The bad news would be that it would also mean that SDSU's competition just got more difficult... Oh, and does everyone agree that the above situation is the best possible situation for the MWC? Unquestionably this would be Leibniz's best of all possible worlds - all the evil in college sports would be explained away if we ended up in a conference with nebraska and/or kansas with utah, byu, tcu, boise and new mexico and unlv in basketball. It would be an elite conference |
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Post by monty on Jun 3, 2010 16:11:43 GMT -8
Well, this sure seems to be happening: www.buffzone.com/ci_15222068from ex SDSU AD Bohn: Colorado athletic director Mike Bohn said he and other school officials have been led to believe the Pac-10 Conference is on the verge of issuing invitations to six members of the Big 12 to join its ranks.Also, the Big12 postponed then canceled a press conference. |
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Post by hoobs on Jun 3, 2010 16:21:04 GMT -8
I'll be impressed if the Pac10 pulls this off - that would mean an awful lot of negotiating happened *very* quickly. Not at all saying it WON'T happen, just that I'll be impressed by the efficiency in which it happened...
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Post by laaztec on Jun 3, 2010 16:22:04 GMT -8
Does the MWC still take Boise? If this goes down I am not so sure.
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Post by choop on Jun 3, 2010 16:38:10 GMT -8
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Post by monty on Jun 3, 2010 16:44:11 GMT -8
Does the MWC still take Boise? If this goes down I am not so sure. Absolutely I think it does, should. Under one scenario where the Big10 reacts and grabs mizzou, nebraska and Kansas, then the MWC might not want to touch the 3 remaining big 12 schools: kstate, baylor and Iowa state. THere I think you grab boise and go to 10 another scenario where nebraska and/or kansas are avaliabile, it might be time to also go to 16, assume the 4 or 5 teams from the big 12 as an eastern division with tcu and new mexico as example and then consider 1-2 teams from fresno, houston, Memphis might be a reach, but could be a strong one to building a massive basketball conference, you'd also have to consider other c-usa teams such as tulsa, smu, etc; maybe someone like Lousiville will come up and be available as well. I think Boise should be added either to stay at ten, or possibly to jump up to 14 or 16 Bottom line, I've been saying for sometime the MWC could find itself in a buyers market, I think we have reached the agora with a bunch of opals and there will be some serious merchants selling their wares. |
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Post by frustratedfan on Jun 3, 2010 18:47:52 GMT -8
I also read this in Dodds blog on CBS Sportsline and also on ESPN. It does appear to have legs, and if it comes to fruition the MWC could be at the right place at the right time to pick up a few Big 12 teams. If this happens major kudos to SGF for calling this weeks ago. I sure wish I was a fly on the wall at both the Pac 10 and MWC meetings this weekend.
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 4, 2010 5:13:13 GMT -8
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