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Post by monty on Jun 4, 2010 5:41:41 GMT -8
Every one has long assumed MIzzou goes to the big 10 and then Nebraska got traction. It is not a given that both teams go; one of them might very well be on the market. If push comes to shove, I have never thought Mizzou brings that much to the big 10 and it would be rather comical if all their politcking for the big 10 as part of the impetus that destroyed the big 12 (if any of this comes to fruition) that Mizzou is left with their c&%$ in their hand and needs a MWC invite.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 8:21:32 GMT -8
Monty, I agree on the Arizona daylight savings thing. That was my point, which wasn't well stated apparently. For both of you guys, this rumor just convinces me all the more that Nebraska and Mizzou will be going to the Big Ten and Texas knows it. Texas is THE mover and shaker in all this and it's apparent they're trying to work out something which will keep allow them to keep some of their traditional rivalries with Oklahoma, aTm, etc. while allowing Nebraska and Mizzou to separate themselves while also allowing Texas to cultivate the Longhorn Network while increasing their academic footprint. Could be a really, really good result for SDSU and the MWC. Maybe not so good for Fresno State, however. On the contrary, I get the feeling that Nebraska will be left out of the Big10 expansion plans despite their achievements in football. If the Big 10 takes a school from the Big XII, I can see Missouri as their main and only candidate. Then they’ll look east, which has been their main plans all along, where they can further enlarge their tv market. I agree that the collapse of the Big XII will be favorable for SDSU and MWC. The Big Ten isn't going to just take "a" Big 12 school, it's going to take at least two. Further, if the Pac first becomes a 16-school conference as appears could happen, I think the Big Ten could expand to 15, continuing to keep a slot open for ND. If the Big Ten goes to 15 and the Pac8/Big12-6+2 excludes Kansas, I think the Kansas legislature could see the writing on the wall and decide that if it forces KU to drag along K-State that Kansas is going to be forced to join the MWC. And I think if all that occurs, Kansas is also going to end up in the Big Ten.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 8:27:39 GMT -8
I also read this in Dodds blog on CBS Sportsline and also on ESPN. It does appear to have legs, and if it comes to fruition the MWC could be at the right place at the right time to pick up a few Big 12 teams. If this happens major kudos to SGF for calling this weeks ago. Thanks for that but the REAL kudos go to a TCU fan on the MWC board. The guy's moniker is Metropolis something and he is a real anomaly. Doesn't post much and after starting a thread prognosticating something similar to what appears to be playing out he caught major crap from a couple dumbass Wyoming fans who have been in denial about Pac expansion for months. Metropolis answered them and then went away and I don't think he's been heard from since. He was wrong in predicting the Pac would leave Wazzu behind but he was right on everything else. I have a sneaking suspicion that guy has a contact within the University of Texas athletic department. (My guess would be that just as it appears the Big 12 playuhs in this thing are going to leave almost all their deadwood behind that Texas pushed for the Pac to leave WSU, which is complete deadwood, behind but the requirement for a unanimous vote of Pac presidents made that impossible.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 8:42:21 GMT -8
A major NO!!! on Baylor. None of the TCU fans on the MWC board want the Bears and a Baylor fan who posted over there for awhile pointing out all the wonderful things about his school was almost universally shouted down. As I've said before, there is a freight train on which Baylor has hooked a ride headed down the tracks to CUSA, which is where Baylor belongs along with those other religiously affiliated former SWC schools SMU and Rice.
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Post by monty on Jun 4, 2010 9:27:31 GMT -8
A major NO!!! on Baylor. None of the TCU fans on the MWC board want the Bears and a Baylor fan who posted over there for awhile pointing out all the wonderful things about his school was almost universally shouted down. As I've said before, there is a freight train on which Baylor has hooked a ride headed down the tracks to CUSA, which is where Baylor belongs along with those other religiously affiliated former SWC schools SMU and Rice. No on baylor if it is baylor alone or baylor, iowa state and k-state. But if you get kansas and k-state, baylor creates arguably the best basketball conference in the country and might be requisite for creating an eastern division. You'd have 4 studs in football and a whole slew of them in basketball - a conf. with kansas, k-state, baylor, sdsu, unlv, new mexico, BYU and Utah when they return (which they will). 7 to 8 teams in the tournament, and likely a lot of tourney units. Lots of really marketable content for advertisers as well. If you have to choose football or bball you always choose football, but if you can choose to be elite in bball and good in football you choose that.
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Post by monty on Jun 4, 2010 10:01:50 GMT -8
posted this over on the mwc board, and I'm sure SGF will say i'm naive or wrong without being able to tell me why (smiley face)
The last numbers I saw was that the BIG 10 network is in 25 million households and is available (not-subscribed to) in 50 million more. I think the pac16 could easily surpass that 25 million in year one. Now, imagine if they really grew balls and only went Pac network, no abc, no espn, no fox sports net (fox would presumably be the partner like with the big 10 network). They would then split the advertising on usc/ucla, texas/oklahoma, etc games and likely get quite a bit a subscriber. That is the future revenue stream for the big10 and pac10 - owning and disseminating all their content via network(s)
Also consider that it has been reported that the big 10 network is getting 60 percent on advertising and 40 percent on cable subscriptions at an average of 36 cents and something like 80 cents in footprint, 10 cents out of footprint.
If they can get 25 million at 80 cents, that's 240 million dollars a year (a f'n 1/4 billion dollars!), and if they are getting 60/40 split, they might be able to genearate 600 million dollars a year or 37 and a half million dollars a team, that is serious F-U money. edit, perhaps half that split with FOX, but with only room to grow, and they'd already be at or above the sec
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 11:22:38 GMT -8
posted this over on the mwc board, and I'm sure SGF will say i'm naive or wrong without being able to tell me why (smiley face) I've only said that since some of your posts have been too financially myopic in disregarding other factors. Since I detest running numbers, I actually think you and I have been a good team in analyzing where all this was most likely headed.
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 4, 2010 11:48:49 GMT -8
A major NO!!! on Baylor. None of the TCU fans on the MWC board want the Bears and a Baylor fan who posted over there for awhile pointing out all the wonderful things about his school was almost universally shouted down. As I've said before, there is a freight train on which Baylor has hooked a ride headed down the tracks to CUSA, which is where Baylor belongs along with those other religiously affiliated former SWC schools SMU and Rice. Well if fans on a message board don't want them I guess that settles it. I mean who knows more than experts like us... As for those religiously affiliated schools, would that mean that Texas Christian University has to go as well? www.tcu.edu/
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Post by monty on Jun 4, 2010 11:50:22 GMT -8
posted this over on the mwc board, and I'm sure SGF will say i'm naive or wrong without being able to tell me why (smiley face) I've only said that since some of your posts have been too financially myopic in disregarding other factors. Since I detest running numbers, I actually think you and I have been a good team in analyzing where all this was most likely headed. Hence the (smiley). I've just never seen Utah as viable, and always had a gut feeling that Texas was heading west. I think looking at the numbers and the doom and gloom letter REbel Bob posted from Iowa State's president and AD www.amestrib.com/articles/2010/06/04/ames_tribune/sports/doc4c0951e944459305138917.txtthat this is happening and shortly, something I didn't think would happen so quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 12:05:21 GMT -8
As for those religiously affiliated schools, would that mean that Texas Christian University has to go as well? Consider this. When the Gang of Five needed three more schools from the WAC in order to form the Mountain West, who did they ask? Not TCU nor any of those religiously affiliated schools. Nope, they asked three very large PUBLIC universities, SDSU, UNLV and UNM. And consider this. Of the schools the Big Ten and the Pac-10 are rumored to be courting, how many besides Notre Dame are private?
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 4, 2010 12:12:29 GMT -8
As for those religiously affiliated schools, would that mean that Texas Christian University has to go as well? Consider this. When the Gang of Five needed three more schools from the WAC in order to form the Mountain West, who did they ask? Not TCU nor any of those religiously affiliated schools. Nope, they asked three very large PUBLIC universities, SDSU, UNLV and UNM. And consider this. Of the schools the Big Ten and the Pac-10 are rumored to be courting, how many besides Notre Dame are private? Fine that's been considered. Now does TCU have to go as well?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 12:47:59 GMT -8
Consider this. When the Gang of Five needed three more schools from the WAC in order to form the Mountain West, who did they ask? Not TCU nor any of those religiously affiliated schools. Nope, they asked three very large PUBLIC universities, SDSU, UNLV and UNM. And consider this. Of the schools the Big Ten and the Pac-10 are rumored to be courting, how many besides Notre Dame are private? Fine that's been considered. Now does TCU have to go as well? I thought you were kidding. No way. Their football program is top notch and they're located in the richest state in the country for college football recruits. The latter would be a reason to take Baylor but who has the better football program, the Bears or Houston? So personally, I'd much rather add Houston. As to basketball, I'll grant you Baylor is now very good. However, they're a Johnny come lately. In contrast, Houston has how many Elite Eight trips in its history?
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 4, 2010 13:45:36 GMT -8
Fine that's been considered. Now does TCU have to go as well? I thought you were kidding. No way. Their football program is top notch and they're located in the richest state in the country for college football recruits. The latter would be a reason to take Baylor but who has the better football program, the Bears or Houston? So personally, I'd much rather add Houston. As to basketball, I'll grant you Baylor is now very good. However, they're a Johnny come lately. In contrast, Houston has how many Elite Eight trips in its history? I just wanted to make sure that I understood you correctly as to TCU. I was just implying that adding those 3 to the MWC would make the conference just brutal in terms of basketball. You are correct in adding Houston in terms of the respective FB programs, especially when one considers the recruiting bed of Houston versus Waco.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 13:53:45 GMT -8
You are correct in adding Houston in terms of the respective FB programs, especially when one considers the recruiting bed of Houston versus Waco. Bill King of Rivals Radio: What's the first thing you think of when you hear the word "Waco?" Is it Baylor University? No. Pretty much says it all about how valuable Baylor would be to the MWC.
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Post by rickdoerr on Jun 4, 2010 16:28:09 GMT -8
I think the one thing that scares me a bit about all of the BIG 12 leftovers/MWC stuff is the gang of five, including TCU, getting together with UK, KSU etc and forming a new big 12 and jettisoning the likes of SDSU, UNLV, UNM. If the BIG 12 can cut some of their partners loose why can't the MWC?
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 4, 2010 16:36:15 GMT -8
I think the one thing that scares me a bit about all of the BIG 12 leftovers/MWC stuff is the gang of five, including TCU, getting together with UK, KSU etc and forming a new big 12 and jettisoning the likes of SDSU, UNLV, UNM. If the BIG 12 can cut some of their partners loose why can't the MWC? It could happen and we would have no one to blame but ourselves for wasting all these many years.
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Post by choop on Jun 4, 2010 16:48:15 GMT -8
No sense in getting our panties in a twist. The scenario outline here can be one of hundreds. The Big-12 could be the 4 remaining schools and 8 others from the MWC, Big East or C-USA. Remaining teams from the MWC could join with the WAC. How many teams, which teams?? All that TBD at a later date. Lay back and watch this soap opera unfold right now. The MWC can't really influence events.
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 4, 2010 16:54:42 GMT -8
No sense in getting our panties in a twist. The scenario outline here can be one of hundreds. The Big-12 could be the 4 remaining schools and 8 others from the MWC, Big East or C-USA. Remaining teams from the MWC could join with the WAC. How many teams, which teams?? All that TBD at a later date. Lay back and watch this soap opera unfold right now. The MWC can't really influence events. +1
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Post by rickdoerr on Jun 4, 2010 18:12:54 GMT -8
I dunno but I'm not thrillied about the future of aztec football being decided(unless favorably) before a game is played this year. I don't consider a reconstituted WAC with limited BCS access a palatable financial alternative for the program. But I'll get in, sit down, shut up, and await events.
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Post by dshawfan on Jun 4, 2010 18:36:34 GMT -8
I dunno but I'm not thrillied about the future of aztec football being decided(unless favorably) before a game is played this year. I don't consider a reconstituted WAC with limited BCS access a palatable financial alternative for the program. But I'll get in, sit down, shut up, and await events. I'm hoping when the smoke settles that we have a healthy and strong MWC still in place with maybe a couple of attractive additions.
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