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Post by sdsuballer on Jan 16, 2011 22:12:22 GMT -8
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Post by standiego on Jan 16, 2011 22:35:55 GMT -8
prefer Houston or other schools in Texas- what would we gain from U State, after being dumped by BYU and U of U- we do not recruit there and TV ? Tired of schools that have altitude problems for the guys, 2 hour bus trips/& plane ride
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Post by AztecPhil on Jan 16, 2011 22:36:06 GMT -8
I feel sorry for the Aggies at Utah State, because I think Utah and BYU signed their athletic programs death warrants. I would like to see San Jose State survive, but with Weber retiring, I don't see anybody in there fighting for them. My guess, if we were to raid the WAC again, it would be to pick up New Mexico State to give New Mexico a rival.
If there is any other expansion, I would guess it would be a rid on Conference USA. Of course Thompson could always ask USC and UCLA if they want to upgrade to a more competitive conference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 22:53:18 GMT -8
I feel sorry for the Aggies at Utah State, because I think Utah and BYU signed their athletic programs death warrants. I would like to see San Jose State survive, but with Weber retiring, I don't see anybody in there fighting for them. My guess, if we were to raid the WAC again, it would be to pick up New Mexico State to give New Mexico a rival. If there is any other expansion, I would guess it would be a rid on Conference USA. No way on NMSU. If UNM is to get an intraconference rival, it's going to be UTEP, with UTEP likely replaced in CUSA by LA Tech. If you really want to see insane speculation, venture on over to the MWC board and read the thread started by the Utah State fan who swears his uncle works in the athletic department of one of the 10 schools who will be in the MWC come July 1. The uncle supposedly knows there's going to be a proposal made at the January 24 meeting to expand to not just 12, but 14, with hints about BYU staying in some manner. The only factor making the idea not completely absurd is Comcrap. Hair Thompson has now said there are no plans to get out from under those clowns, so you have to think he and his bosses have been talking to Comcrap about some major change in the TV deal. To most of us on the MWC board, the best case scenario is for the MWC to do nothing until Villanova presumably tells the Big East they aren't ready to upgrade to FBS in football, and then the BE offers Central Florida. If that happens, Houston will pretty much know they aren't going to follow TCU into the BE. Particularly with CUSA being further diminished with the loss of UCF, Houston will then be much more amenable to joining the MWC. And speculation is if that happens, the MWC could get SMU too, plus UTEP, since UTEP doesn't want to be in a different conference from the other two. There's speculation the MWC might be pressured to also take Rice as the 14th. In my view Tulsa would be much better. However, Tulsa has no political support anywhere. Further, by doing that the MWC would push CUSA completely out of Texas. In my view, forcing the WAC out of business would be a bad idea since it's been a good source of expansion candidates for the MWC. Also, it's a good source of OOC football victories. But the WAC is going to be so downtrodden it won't have any realistic possibility of having any BCS busters for many years. The scenario above would make it more unlikely than it already is that CUSA will get any BCS bowl berths. Would that be cutthroat? You bet. But it's what the BCS has made of college football.
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Post by standiego on Jan 16, 2011 23:01:12 GMT -8
get the schools from Texas or Tulsa, then donate NM and WYO to the WAC, to let them survive
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Post by Cwag on Jan 16, 2011 23:17:37 GMT -8
Here's an idea expand by adding Utah and TCU! Damn that would be a nice conference: WestHawaii San Diego State Fresno State UNLV Nevada Boise State EastUtah Colorado State Air Force TCU New Mexico Wyoming oh well......
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Post by aztech on Jan 16, 2011 23:23:21 GMT -8
My guess is Comcast is putting the carrot in front of the MWC to take USU. They will be stuck with the MTN in Utah with no MWC teams. In other words, the MWC is supposed to bail out Comcast for Comcast's own stupidity. Forget Texas for now so stay at 10 teams.
It's time for our presidents to take a stand and tell Comcast to go to hell. Meanwhile get someone who knows how to negotiate deals other than that small time Hair Thompson. Why the hell don't we have the MTN on cable in California? California/Nevada is where the TV numbers will be in 2012.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jan 17, 2011 7:14:34 GMT -8
SMU is coming on fast and Houston has the tv market. UTEP.....not sure how they fit other than a rival for the Lobos. Utah State is a mistake for the MWC. Let C-USA take them and La Tech after we raid C-USA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 7:27:27 GMT -8
UTEP.....not sure how they fit other than a rival for the Lobos. Utah State is a mistake for the MWC. Both are all about TV potential, or theoretical potential. Comcast supposedly has the cable rights up and down the state of Utah, which is probably why the MWC contracted with those dunderheads in the first place. With BYU and Utah gone, the argument of Utah State fans is by adding them, Comcast will keep The Mtn. as part of the regular Comcast sports package. Although that's undoubtedly true, the question is for how long? Nobody outside little Logan, UT cares about USU, so The Mtn. ratings in Utah will become non-existent, following which Comcast will probably place The Mtn. on its premium package. UTEP makes more sense. Comcast also has El Paso, which has like 13 times the population of Logan. And unlike USU, UTEP has no other school to compete with. UTEP would also bring the possibility of adding the Sun Bowl to the MWC's stable of bowl games. And UTEP would be the perfect travel partner for UNM if the conference goes in that direction. (But don't be mistaken. I won't be doing cartwheels over the addition of the Minors.)
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Jan 17, 2011 7:50:54 GMT -8
What's the down side to pissing off Comcast? This tv deal sucks anyways, give them a reason to break it off.
No to UTEP or USU. Stay at ten or add the Cusa schools from Texas.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 7:56:58 GMT -8
What's the down side to pissing off Comcast? This tv deal sucks anyways, give them a reason to break it off. No to UTEP or USU. Stay at ten or add the Cusa schools from Texas. I completely agree. Interesting, just as with San Diego, despite TCU's success, The Mtn. has never been part of the cable sports package in DFW. That's the main reason folks on the MWC board think SMU wouldn't be interested in leaving CUSA. Of course getting out from under Comcast would presumably solve that problem. Anyway, I continue to think the best thing the MWC could do is dissolve its relationship with Comcast and sell or lease The Mtn. to ESPN as part of its family of networks. Even assuming the MWC would have to play a midweek game every week and assuming also there would be a loss in revenue, it would be worth it in the long run.
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Jan 17, 2011 7:58:47 GMT -8
What's the down side to pissing off Comcast? This tv deal sucks anyways, give them a reason to break it off. No to UTEP or USU. Stay at ten or add the Cusa schools from Texas. Getting less money from someone else/ a worse tv deal (less games on TV, no mtn etc.) I agree no to USU. Not even for BB only (might as well have let BYU keep their other sports in).
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Post by hoobs on Jan 17, 2011 8:01:29 GMT -8
My thoughts:
1. Stay at 10. Unless there is a damn good reason to do so, why split the pie 2 (4??) additional ways? I mean, if Comcrap basically gives every member of the MWC an extra $750,000+ per year (net) to agree to take on USU... well, then there's a certain logic to that.
2. Texas is where it is at. State not bankrupt? Check. Lots of TVs? Check. Schools with solid athletics programs> Check. I'm with SGF, if we have to expand... OWN Texas (outside the Big-12). And if we have to go to 14... take all four: SMU, Houston, Rice, UTEP.
3. Specific to UTEP... actually... I think much more highly of UTEP than many others. Mostly, they own their local market. Nothin' else goin' on in UTEP other than the Miners. It is THEIR community and THEIR TV market. And their teams... are... just fine. Not likely to make a BCS game as an at-large nor to make the Sweet-16, but also not likely to be UNM football or AFA basketball.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 8:14:57 GMT -8
UTEP may be lousy in football, but at least the team is well supported. They average about 30K fans per game annually and reportedly have pretty good facilities. It's schools like UNLV and UNM that I think are a drag on the MWC. Both care much more about basketball than football and when it comes to TV revenue, unless you're the Big East, basketball only minimally effects your TV income.
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Post by aztech on Jan 17, 2011 12:40:22 GMT -8
Never forget that the MWC is a significant West Coast presence. Fox Sports, ESPN and Comcast are fighting for this territory. They need our late afternoon games to fill their evening East Coast time slots. They need more than just the Pac-12.
Our current TV package is highly undervalued. As soon as we get out of Utah the ad revenue will increase with "sin" advertising. I firmly believe the advertising content has been controlled by the LDS. Let's face it, if you have the MTN you've seen those commercials.
This is why the MWC has to get tough with Comcast and threaten to negotiate with their competitors if they don't raise the ante, even if we remain as ten members. We're in a position to bid, not to be dictated to.
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Post by RebelRobert on Jan 17, 2011 13:41:46 GMT -8
The MWC has already decimated and destroyed the WAC. It would be a horrible mistake to go after any other WAC programs. They have already been eliminated as our competition for the forseeable future and no longer pose any threat to the MWC.
The smart move for the MWC at this time is to turn our focus towards our new main enemy and that is Conference USA. The only conference that poses any threat to the MWC as far as the BCS at-large bid goes, is CUSA. We need a strategic hit against that conference to eliminate them from any thought that they may be on our level or competitive against us. It is time for the MWC to show CUSA who is boss!
UTEP, SMU, Houston and Memphis have got to be the targets. Taking those schools would severely injure CUSA at this time. It is the proper move for the MWC in the short term.
MWC-14
West Division UNLV Nevada SDSU Fresno Hawaii Boise New Mexico
Other Division Air Force Colorado State Wyoming Houston SMU UTEP Memphis
Sold-Out MWC-14 Basketball Tournament hosted in Las Vegas.
MWC-14 Football Championship Game rotates between Division Champions Home Field Yearly.
MWC-14 Bowl Lineup MWC-14 Champion: BCS Bowl #2 Bowl: Liberty Bowl (vs. SEC) #3 Bowl: Las Vegas Bowl (vs. PAC-10) #4 Bowl: Poinsettia Bowl (vs. Navy/Army/BYU) #5 Bowl: Independence Bowl (vs. ACC) #6 Bowl: San Francisco Bowl (vs. ACC) #7 Bowl: Hawaii Bowl (vs. CUSA) #8 Bowl: New Mexico Bowl (vs. PAC-10) #9 Bowl: Humanitarian Bowl (vs. MAC)
This is the proper way to build the MWC at this time. We would become a Top 3 Basketball Conference in the Country with a strong Football lineup.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 13:47:44 GMT -8
Our current TV package is highly undervalued. As soon as we get out of Utah the ad revenue will increase with "sin" advertising. I firmly believe the advertising content has been controlled by the LDS. BYU fans on the MWC board think that's ridiculous but I agree with you. The Mtn. is the only sports network in the good old U.S. of A. which doesn't have beer commercials. Coincidence? Yeah, right. But I'm gonna miss those Deseret First Bank commercials where the young man wants to take out a loan to buy a wedding ring now that he's been back from his mission for two months.
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Post by zurac315 on Jan 17, 2011 15:16:06 GMT -8
Just so long as one school is U. of Mass. at Amherst. Then I could go to a game. ;D And I wish there was a way to save my third favorite school and my mom's Alma Mater, San Jose State, but I really doubt that there is and we have to focus on saving ourselves. Go Rocky Long. Get that "secret" OC and get him soon!
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jan 17, 2011 15:45:55 GMT -8
Memphis?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 15:58:41 GMT -8
Memphis? Take UNM's 2010 Sagarin rating and add nine FCS schools and then you have the paper Tigers. Absolute worst FBS school in the country last season. Worse than every school in the SBC. Plus it's 400 miles east of Dallas.
Bottom Line: No, IMO.
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