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Post by RebelRobert on Jan 17, 2011 16:10:27 GMT -8
Memphis?  If it is between Memphis, Utah State or Tulsa for the last spot, which one makes the most sense? Memphis would fit fine in that division and Western schools such as Hawaii, Fresno, SDSU and Vegas would hardly ever have to travel to play them. Memphis brings the Liberty Bowl vs the SEC and Fed Ex sponsorship. Memphis is a cool city and blows away Logan Utah! Memphis is the smart pick. Let's hope our MWC presidents use their brains. Losing Memphis would hurt CUSA big time! |
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Post by jdaztec on Jan 17, 2011 16:31:42 GMT -8
I like Rebelroberts lineup
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 16:55:54 GMT -8
I like Rebelroberts lineup Robert is like the majority of UNLV and UNM fans in that he virtually ignores football. The fact Texas, Oklahoma, et al. and the Pac-10 were all willing to leave Kansas speaks volumes about how much basketball means to TV revenue. And don't lose sight of the fact that the MWC member the Big East offered was the one with probably the worst basketball program since that school joined our conference in 2005. 14 mouths is a lot to feed and the 14 Robert advocates have only three BCS bowl appearances among them. In contrast, the last six years the MWC has had just nine mouths to feed and those nine have had four BCS appearances among them. I'm not exactly thrilled about going to 12. However, at least by doing that the Aztecs would only have to travel to the Front Range half as often. Going to 14 is unnecessary in order to gain that benefit. |
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Post by survalli on Jan 17, 2011 17:02:37 GMT -8
increasing our conference to 12 members would not improve conference perception from the BCS..we go to 12, and you can forget about AQ .
as for poaching from the CUSA...CUSA now has a better TV contract then the MWC..would be tough to outbid or steal from them.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jan 17, 2011 17:40:25 GMT -8
The MWC with Houston and SMU is a FAR, FAR better conference than C-USA......even without. TV money is hard to figure. SMU and Houston are trying to figure that out now.
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Post by Fred Noonan on Jan 17, 2011 17:55:23 GMT -8
My guess is Comcast is putting the carrot in front of the MWC to take USU. They will be stuck with the MTN in Utah with no MWC teams. In other words, the MWC is supposed to bail out Comcast for Comcast's own stupidity. Forget Texas for now so stay at 10 teams. It's time for our presidents to take a stand and tell Comcast to go to hell. Meanwhile get someone who knows how to negotiate deals other than that small time Hair Thompson. Why the hell don't we have the MTN on cable in California? California/Nevada is where the TV numbers will be in 2012. Concur. I agree mainly with the need for professionalism in the negotiations. I have no inside info re Thompson as a negotiator other than his track record, which is--despite the apologists--weak. I would hate to see us stuck with Utah St just so the Mtn and Thompson do not have to see their efforts of penetrating the great state of Utah go in the tank. We need leadership in the MWC that is more interested in the population base of the conference and can cut deals that will not leave markets like San Diego in the cold. Finally, on a competitive basis I say stay at 10 as well. I have no desire to see us play anyone in Texas or Utah. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation.  |
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Post by jdaztec on Jan 17, 2011 18:05:12 GMT -8
I like the Texas connection and think it is good for the league. Bring on Houston and SMU
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 18:07:49 GMT -8
The MWC with Houston and SMU is a FAR, FAR better conference than C-USA. 2010 Sagarins: MWC median subtracting the Big 3 and adding BSU, UNR & Fresneck: 70.40* CUSA median: 62.69** * Hawaii's 73.74 + Fresneck's 67.07 divided by 2 ** East Carolina's 65.82 + Marshall Faulk's 59.57 divided by 2 The difference to which the 10 schools which will comprise the MWC in 2012 were better than the 12 schools comprising CUSA was roughly the same as the difference between the MWC and the SEC. Since the Sagarins for Houston and SMU were higher at 66.01 and 65.90, respectively than the CUSA average, the difference would be even greater if you switched them from CUSA to the MWC. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 18:11:39 GMT -8
I would hate to see us stuck with Utah St just so the Mtn and Thompson do not have to see their efforts of penetrating the great state of Utah go in the tank. Dammit, Fred! Don't you be dissin' USU and the Beehive State! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 18:14:44 GMT -8
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Post by hbaztec on Jan 17, 2011 19:07:45 GMT -8
My guess is Comcast is putting the carrot in front of the MWC to take USU. They will be stuck with the MTN in Utah with no MWC teams. In other words, the MWC is supposed to bail out Comcast for Comcast's own stupidity. Forget Texas for now so stay at 10 teams. It's time for our presidents to take a stand and tell Comcast to go to hell. Meanwhile get someone who knows how to negotiate deals other than that small time Hair Thompson. Why the hell don't we have the MTN on cable in California? California/Nevada is where the TV numbers will be in 2012. Great points. Yeah, no TV in Utah could hurt. Whats the point of the MTN now? |
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Post by RebelRobert on Jan 17, 2011 19:42:21 GMT -8
I like Rebelroberts lineup Robert is like the majority of UNLV and UNM fans in that he virtually ignores football. The fact Texas, Oklahoma, et al. and the Pac-10 were all willing to leave Kansas speaks volumes about how much basketball means to TV revenue. And don't lose sight of the fact that the MWC member the Big East offered was the one with probably the worst basketball program since that school joined our conference in 2005. 14 mouths is a lot to feed and the 14 Robert advocates have only three BCS bowl appearances among them. In contrast, the last six years the MWC has had just nine mouths to feed and those nine have had four BCS appearances among them. I'm not exactly thrilled about going to 12. However, at least by doing that the Aztecs would only have to travel to the Front Range half as often. Going to 14 is unnecessary in order to gain that benefit. I don't ignore football at all. I have researched and studied the history of College Football expansion and I am one of the most knowledgable people when it comes to what should or shouldn't be done throughout college athletics. I have a masters degree in sports administration and have a stronger understanding of what should or shouldn't occur in just about any scenario that you could name. As things stand now, the top four expansion candidates for conferences are listed below in order of how they should be added: Big-121. BYU 2. Louisville 3. Texas Christian 4. New Mexico Big East1. Central Florida 2. Houston 3. Memphis 4. East Carolina Mountain West1. Houston 2. UTEP 3. SMU 4. Memphis Anyone who argues with this doesn't know a damn thing about college athletics and shouldn't be allowed to comment on any expansion related topics, never mind vote on them. I follow expansion related topics closer than anyone you know or ever will know. To try to minimalize me and stick me into a group that only cares about Basketball or UNLV is insulting. I have done my homework. I know what the proper moves are in this game of chess. I have expressed it loudly and clearly many times. If the MWC goes in any other direction than what I have listed above they are making a major mistake and hurting our conference. I am in favor of a move to 14 teams because it would severely cripple our main competition CUSA. I am not naive enough not to understand that many other changes are coming in the next few years that will hit the MWC big time. Expansion is NOT over, not by a long shot. Anyone who thinks it is should be removed from the game NOW before they do major harm by not evaluating the current landscape and the future landscape. Big-12 will not sit still for long. Big East is NOT done. Who knows what the Big Ten, SEC and ACC are thinking about. Texas is a wild card that could disrupt the entire system anytime that they choose to do so by moving wherever they want. The MWC must be proactive and make the best moves NOW for our future survival. Would Memphis or Houston stay in the MWC forever, LIKELY NOT. But moves must be made NOW which secure our place in the food chain for tomorrow! Do not paint me as some ignorant fan who only thinks about what might help UNLV Basketball or MWC Basketball. That is not me at all. What I propose is what is best for the MWC both short and long term for our conference to earn our place at the BCS table where we belong. MEMPHIS should be added to the MWC YESTERDAY. |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jan 17, 2011 19:43:27 GMT -8
No tv in Utah? Did Comcast close off tv reception to Utah? I think that's illegal.....
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Post by Cwag on Jan 17, 2011 19:51:20 GMT -8
Robert is like the majority of UNLV and UNM fans in that he virtually ignores football. The fact Texas, Oklahoma, et al. and the Pac-10 were all willing to leave Kansas speaks volumes about how much basketball means to TV revenue. And don't lose sight of the fact that the MWC member the Big East offered was the one with probably the worst basketball program since that school joined our conference in 2005. 14 mouths is a lot to feed and the 14 Robert advocates have only three BCS bowl appearances among them. In contrast, the last six years the MWC has had just nine mouths to feed and those nine have had four BCS appearances among them. I'm not exactly thrilled about going to 12. However, at least by doing that the Aztecs would only have to travel to the Front Range half as often. Going to 14 is unnecessary in order to gain that benefit. I don't ignore football at all. I have researched and studied the history of College Football expansion and I am one of the most knowledgable people when it comes to what should or shouldn't be done throughout college athletics. I have a masters degree in sports administration and have a stronger understanding of what should or shouldn't occur in just about any scenario that you could name. As things stand now, the top four expansion candidates for conferences are listed below in order of how they should be added: Big-121. BYU 2. Louisville 3. Texas Christian 4. New Mexico Big East1. Central Florida 2. Houston 3. Memphis 4. East Carolina Mountain West1. Houston 2. UTEP 3. SMU 4. Memphis Anyone who argues with this doesn't know a damn thing about college athletics and shouldn't be allowed to comment on any expansion related topics, never mind vote on them. I follow expansion related topics closer than anyone you know or ever will know. To try to minimalize me and stick me into a group that only cares about Basketball or UNLV is insulting. I have done my homework. I know what the proper moves are in this game of chess. I have expressed it loudly and clearly many times. If the MWC goes in any other direction than what I have listed above they are making a major mistake and hurting our conference. I am in favor of a move to 14 teams because it would severely cripple our main competition CUSA. I am not naive enough not to understand that many other changes are coming in the next few years that will hit the MWC big time. Expansion is NOT over, not by a long shot. Anyone who thinks it is should be removed from the game NOW before they do major harm by not evaluating the current landscape and the future landscape. Big-12 will not sit still for long. Big East is NOT done. Who knows what the Big Ten, SEC and ACC are thinking about. Texas is a wild card that could disrupt the entire system anytime that they choose to do so by moving wherever they want. The MWC must be proactive and make the best moves NOW for our future survival. Would Memphis or Houston stay in the MWC forever, LIKELY NOT. But moves must be made NOW which secure our place in the food chain for tomorrow! Do not paint me as some ignorant fan who only thinks about what might help UNLV Basketball or MWC Basketball. That is not me at all. What I propose is what is best for the MWC both short and long term for our conference to earn our place at the BCS table where we belong. MEMPHIS should be added to the MWC YESTERDAY. You are being a blow hard to say that people that disagree with you know nothing. Are you sure you are not a BYU fan? You sure act like one. I doubt you are the all seeing all knowing being and yet you try to come off like your solution is the only one that any intellligent human would embrace. I am intelligent and I do not embrace it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 20:20:10 GMT -8
[ MEMPHIS should be added to the MWC YESTERDAY. Well at the risk of losing a debate to somebody with such a wealth of college sports acumen, I'll ask you this: Name one thing Memphis would bring to the MWC besides basketball. What Memphis would NOT bring: 1. Geographical proximity to even one MWC location. Even if SMU is added, Memphis would still be 400 miles from Dallas and it's about a ridiculous 1900 miles from San Diego. Therefore the cost to send teams from non-revenue sports to Memphis would cost all the rest of us a fortune. 2. Football. Memphis was 1-11 this year with the worst defense in the country. And here are Memphis' home attendance totals in chronological order: 28K+ (for in-state rival Tennessee State); 22K+; 18K+; 19K+; 39K+ (for in-state rival Tennessee); 14K+. Average home attendance for conference games: 18K+. Those are Utah State-like numbers. 3. Football recruiting. Tennessee isn't Texas. Not only does Tennessee have a smaller population than Texas, the SEC has no foothold in Texas. Conversely, Tennessee is in the heart of SEC country. Therefore, unlike with Texas, all the best players in Tennessee go to SEC schools. The ball's in your court, oh immensely knowledgeable one. |
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Post by Cwag on Jan 17, 2011 20:42:52 GMT -8
[ MEMPHIS should be added to the MWC YESTERDAY. Well at the risk of losing a debate to somebody with such a wealth of college sports acumen, I'll ask you this: Name one thing Memphis would bring to the MWC besides basketball. What Memphis would NOT bring: 1. Geographical proximity to even one MWC location. Even if SMU is added, Memphis would still be 400 miles from Dallas and it's about a ridiculous 1900 miles from San Diego. Therefore the cost to send teams from non-revenue sports to Memphis would cost all the rest of us a fortune. 2. Football. Memphis was 1-11 this year with the worst defense in the country. And here are Memphis' home attendance totals in chronological order: 28K+ (for in-state rival Tennessee State); 22K+; 18K+; 19K+; 39K+ (for in-state rival Tennessee); 14K+. Average home attendance for conference games: 18K+. Those are Utah State-like numbers. 3. Football recruiting. Tennessee isn't Texas. Not only does Tennessee have a smaller population than Texas, the SEC has no foothold in Texas. Conversely, Tennessee is in the heart of SEC country. Therefore, unlike with Texas, all the best players in Tennessee go to SEC schools. The ball's in your court, oh immensely knowledgeable one. How dare you gaze upon the the great one and question his omnipresence. |
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Post by RebelRobert on Jan 17, 2011 20:58:25 GMT -8
What Memphis would NOT bring: 1. Geographical proximity to even one MWC location. Even if SMU is added, Memphis would still be 400 miles from Dallas and it's about a ridiculous 1900 miles from San Diego. Therefore the cost to send teams from non-revenue sports to Memphis would cost all the rest of us a fortune. 2. Football. Memphis was 1-11 this year with the worst defense in the country. And here are Memphis' home attendance totals in chronological order: 28K+ (for in-state rival Tennessee State); 22K+; 18K+; 19K+; 39K+ (for in-state rival Tennessee); 14K+. Average home attendance for conference games: 18K+. Those are Utah State-like numbers. 3. Football recruiting. Tennessee isn't Texas. Not only does Tennessee have a smaller population than Texas, the SEC has no foothold in Texas. Conversely, Tennessee is in the heart of SEC country. Therefore, unlike with Texas, all the best players in Tennessee go to SEC schools. The ball's in your court, oh immensely knowledgeable one. 1. In a 14 team conference, all that matters are the teams in YOUR DIVISION. The other division is almost irrelevant because you would play them so infrequently that it is almost like a non-conference game. Distances of travel for members: To MemphisColorado Springs - 1065 Laramie - 1133 Fort Collins - 1148 Houston - 571 Dallas - 450 El Paso - 1086 To San Diego Colorado Springs - 1145 Laramie - 1114 Fort Collins - 1138 Houston - 1467 Dallas - 1362 El Paso - 724 For the schools that would be grouped in that Division. The travel makes sense to add Memphis. With airplanes flying into a major city like Memphis is preferable to a place like Logan Utah. SDSU is not in that DIVISION so you will hardly ever play Memphis in ANYTHING. The teams that have to worry about traveling there are those in their division and for them it is similiar travel to what they DO NOW! Neilsen DMA's - Memphis is #48. That makes them a Top 50 television market. Logan Utah is not listed in the Neilsen DMA's. Memphis is a major city with major boosters such as FED EX who would be a nice partner for the Mountain West Conference. 2. Saying that Memphis is terrible in Football is easy. It is similiar to saying SDSU is terrible in Football or New Mexico is terrrible in football or UNLV is terrible in Football. Maybe you believe that these programs are destined to always be at the bottom but I do not subscribe to that same theory. I believe that UNLV, SDSU, Memphis and New Mexico all have the potential to be Top 25 programs that average 45,000+ fans per game. Memphis is VERY VERY SIMILIAR to us in many ways. Their school has the potential to be a big boy and they must be treated as such. Memphis Football is a sleeping giant, much like SDSU. To be so disrespectful towards them shows me that you have very little knowledge about College Athletics or the potential of Memphis. To say that Memphis is equivalent to Utah State is just silly. It is like saying SDSU is equivalent to Idaho because in your Chuck Long years you had similiar numbers. It is pure nonsense. Memphis is a clearly superior Athletic department. 3. Comparing Memphis recruiting to texas is silly. It would be like comparing Las Vegas recruiting to Southern California. No, Memphis is not a major recruiting bed. What they do bring to the table is the LIBERTY BOWL against an SEC school. The Liberty Bowl would be perfect for the Eastern Division Champion of the MWC to go to ever year (that they don't make BCS). Memphis also brings the Fed ex Forum which is a great basketball facility. Memphis is a big time University and in the proper alignment could become a powerhouse program in both Football and Basketball. I have no problem imagining them average 18,000+ in Basketball and 40,000+ in Football. I can't ever see that for any of the other candidates that you may put in front of them. The potential of memphis is too strong to ignore. They are a perfect fit in the East Division of the MWC with travel for all other six members similiar to the travel they experience now. In a 14 team MWC it would be very seldom that SDSU would ever face Memphis or be forced to travel there. When you do travel there it would be by AIRPLANE, not bus or cars. Want to try getting to Logan in the middle of Winter? I prefer MEMPHIS. So does anyone else with a brain or any College Athletics knowledge. |
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Post by Cwag on Jan 17, 2011 21:05:00 GMT -8
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Post by aronoff on Jan 17, 2011 21:19:16 GMT -8
Memphis will be an expansion player with their Fed Ex backing but not to the MWC.
They will hold out for the Big East or what ever becomes of the Big 12.
The Big 12/SEC dynamics are not settled. If the MWC expands now - it could end up like the WAC expansion in the 90's.
I would hope the conference holds off looking at any more "western teams" to see what happens with C-USA, Big East etc. SMU/Houstonwould help the TV package. No other two schools make sense at this point. But will these two even switch at this point ?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 17, 2011 21:45:07 GMT -8
NO Utah State, NO New Mexico State.
Only bring in schools with respectable football programs.
Houston and SMU. I'd go for that.
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