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Post by JOCAZTEC on Jan 15, 2011 11:18:18 GMT -8
Rocky Long keeps himself in excellent shape and has so much experience as a coach, don't you think?
HAM
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Post by aztecaggie on Jan 15, 2011 12:16:57 GMT -8
I'm not begrudging Hoke his opportunity to take his dream job at all. I just don't like the way he did it. He seems to have hidden contacts with Michigan from Jim Sterk He didn't meet with the players. Finally, he tried to decimate the SDSU coaching staff I'm just really disappointed in the way Brady conducted himself through all of this. . Erik The only thing I see that Brady could have done to change the course of events was to say something public about his appreciation of SDSU. That definitely would have been nice. But I don't begrudge him for this. He went through an unbelieveable public spotlight. His first priority is to get on to the new job and he wanted to do that right. The rest of the things are just what happens in coaching changes. It wasn't pretty when CL was fired. Moving HC positions is not like giving 2 weeks notice to an employer and it is not like breaking up with a girlfriend. Things move so quickly and decisions have to be made immediately. I agree that it would have been bad if Rocky Long would have left. In all, I am OK with the way things were handled. We just saw what it looks like when coaches leave. Dan
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Post by uncledougy on Jan 15, 2011 12:37:39 GMT -8
There is alot of hate for Brady Hoke on here. That hate did not exist 4 weeks ago. I will be the first decenter on this thread. Hoke changed the culture of a program which was in the dumper. He brought in outstanding assistant coaches, one of which is our HC now. Rocky would definitely not be here if not for Brady Hoke. Brady complied with his contract. He exercised his out clause to get his dream job. Which one of you would not have Breaking up is not pretty. SDSU will be fine. Brady got what he wanted. Someone please tell me what the beef is. Is it because he did not come and shake our had to say good-by? Geeze. Thanks for saying it EXACTLY how i would. QUIT WHINING!! SDSU will be just fine. I really would like to meet someone who wouldn't go to Michigan. Anyone? Its still a top 5 program, RR muffed it up, and it was Hokes dream to coach there. Stop whining about it, focus on the next football season, and leave it be. Everyone knew Hoke would eventually leave, and whose to say that Rocky wont leave too...? I have seen more than one coach say this is the end of the road, and BAM! A new job comes along, and they leave. I'm not saying he WILL, I'm saying its possible. Its the business guys, its the business. Money talks. Also, about him leaving without saying bye to his players, none of them were on campus when this went down. Focus on the future, not the past. Its kinda sad you dont understand the disliking of hoax....
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Post by aztech on Jan 15, 2011 12:42:46 GMT -8
We were just as guilty of doing the same to Ball State. Hoke transferred his staff from there to here, as well. He didn't even coach their bowl game, no thanks to us. At least he coached ours. I wonder if he flipped their players off too.
Didn't he complain about Ball State not upgrading their facilities? He said the same thing about ours before Michigan opened up. This is why I think he would have bailed on us next year anyway, Michigan or not. He needed an excuse to split. Since he's been fast forwarded his dream job I don't care whether he fails or succeeds, except for our game. Other than that I'm done with him.
I'm focusing on Rocky's take over and am really anxious to see the makeup of his staff. There's plenty of time so no rush job is needed. IMO, signing recruits is the most important thing right now.
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Post by hbaztec on Jan 15, 2011 13:02:35 GMT -8
We were just as guilty of doing the same to Ball State. Hoke transferred his staff from there to here, as well. He didn't even coach their bowl game, no thanks to us. At least he coached ours. I wonder if he flipped their players off too. Didn't he complain about Ball State not upgrading their facilities? He said the same thing about ours before Michigan opened up. This is why I think he would have bailed on us next year anyway, Michigan or not. He needed an excuse to split. Since he's been fast forwarded his dream job I don't care whether he fails or succeeds, except for our game. Other than that I'm done with him. I'm focusing on Rocky's take over and am really anxious to see the makeup of his staff. There's plenty of time so no rush job is needed. IMO, signing recruits is the most important thing right now. I did not know Rocky was the DC and Borges was the OC at Ball State. I think he brought Funk, Wellman and Heclinski (sp). So, no we did not raid Ball States coaches. It is simple, he should have just acknowledged the players and SDSU that led him to the promise land.
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Post by NTU on Jan 15, 2011 13:56:54 GMT -8
No, it's merely because he left. If he'd interviewed with Michigan and not been offered the job, the idiot Hoke haters would have had no problem with him (because he stayed by default). Hell hath no fury like an Aztec fan scorned it seems. It certainly is uncharted territory. Usually SDSU does the dumping. Maybe the morons here will be more mature should this happen again in the future. But I doubt it. Well let me explain it to you. You have a girlfriend and you like her but you have a woman that is your dream. At some point you realize that your dream woman is available. In one case you sneak around behind your girlfriend's back and one day send her a text saying you have broken up with her. In the other case you talk to your girlfriend and are honest about what you want and tell her up front about what is going on. Case two is harder but shows more character and honesty. Hoke handled us like case one. If that doesn't upset you then fine but frankly I think that makes him a chicken $#!+ *****. Yes he is a good coach but he is also a hypocrite when he talks about accountability, character and commitment. This has nothing to do about him going to Michigan but how he did it.It's called class and Hoke has none. ^^^^This! Excellent analogy! This and the way Erik put it sums it up pretty perfectly in my book! Like others have said: It's not the fact that he left that bothers me. It's HOW he left; the manner in which he left. If I were Brady Hoke I wouldn't have turned Michigan down either. But at least go out with a little class and humility. After all, he was treated pretty well here at SDSU (unless someone has other information to the contrary). He was treated well and they were willing to give him pretty much anything he wanted had he stayed. You just don't treat someone who has treated you with such respect and admiration like they're insignificant specs of dirt.
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Post by NTU on Jan 15, 2011 13:58:51 GMT -8
Anyway, would thanking SDSU at his Michigan press conference have soothed all the hurt feelings on here? I highly doubt it. Yeah, it would have. At least acknowledge that you had a pretty good thing going, and you appreciate what you had in San Diego. The Michigan job is the opportunity of a lifetime. We get that. But SDSU was a pretty good deal, too.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 15, 2011 14:01:40 GMT -8
Heck the fact he was a renter tells you he had 1 foot out the door the entire time he was here. He probably had the text message saved in a draft!
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Post by NTU on Jan 15, 2011 17:39:47 GMT -8
SDSU didn't really mean anything to Brady once he had a chance at the Michigan MINNESOTA gig. Edited for accuracy. He wasn't serious about the Minnesota job. Just listening to someone who wanted to talk to him. He was never going to take that job, and I have no problem with him meeting with their AD. If nothing else it was a chance to compare notes and see what they had to offer, and use that information to make the SDSU program better, which he did.
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Post by aztecer12 on Jan 15, 2011 18:42:01 GMT -8
He wasn't serious about the Minnesota job. Just listening to someone who wanted to talk to him. He was never going to take that job, and I have no problem with him meeting with their AD. If nothing else it was a chance to compare notes and see what they had to offer, and use that information to make the SDSU program better, which he did. So it was all on the phone? And we know that he told Sterk words to the effect of, "Don't sweat it, Jim. I'm gonna go take notes and see how we can improve SDSU, the ONLY job I want except Michigan"? I don't buy it man. The guy is shady as f*ck. He's not shady, he is listening to other opportunities. He doesn't have to tell everyone everything, what he does is his own business. I dont think you guys get that this is how the college coaching biz works. Patterson, Petersen, and just about every college coach has probably met with schools behind their schools backs, and some "source" leaked it to the press.
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Post by aztough on Jan 15, 2011 19:56:48 GMT -8
Heck the fact he was a renter tells you he had 1 foot out the door the entire time he was here. He probably had the text message saved in a draft! Ha, I had the same thought when I found out he was renting, he was a coach on the move thats for sure. Just like Rocky mentioned in his press conference about how they had a staff meeting last Tuesday morning and when it was over Hoke left and hadn't seen him since. Had no clue he was leaving for Ann Arbor that night. That's like a thief in the night.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 15, 2011 20:02:43 GMT -8
So it was all on the phone? And we know that he told Sterk words to the effect of, "Don't sweat it, Jim. I'm gonna go take notes and see how we can improve SDSU, the ONLY job I want except Michigan"? I don't buy it man. The guy is shady as f*ck. He's not shady, he is listening to other opportunities. He doesn't have to tell everyone everything, what he does is his own business. I dont think you guys get that this is how the college coaching biz works. Patterson, Petersen, and just about every college coach has probably met with schools behind their schools backs, and some "source" leaked it to the press. His contract required him to tell the school. Capish?
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Post by aztecer12 on Jan 15, 2011 20:04:04 GMT -8
He's not shady, he is listening to other opportunities. He doesn't have to tell everyone everything, what he does is his own business. I dont think you guys get that this is how the college coaching biz works. Patterson, Petersen, and just about every college coach has probably met with schools behind their schools backs, and some "source" leaked it to the press. His contract required him to tell the school. Capish? So does a lot of other coaches contracts. Contracts really don't mean a thing in this biz. I know this because I have worked behind the scenes before. It happens just about every single day.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 15, 2011 20:14:49 GMT -8
His contract required him to tell the school. Capish? So does a lot of other coaches contracts. Contracts really don't mean a thing in this biz. I know this because I have worked behind the scenes before. It happens just about every single day. Bro, if everyone was shooting heroine it wouldn't make it right. And yes contracts mean everything in this business, it is why pizza boy would not sign his extension. So your argument is garbage, so when you see Brady tell him I have him on my Ziegler list. Miles notified his AD, why didn't Hoke? We all know the answer, you just want to offer the clearasil answer of, "everyone else is wearing skinny jeans and not washing their hair" defense.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jan 15, 2011 21:39:54 GMT -8
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Post by Cwag on Jan 15, 2011 21:42:07 GMT -8
Damn right La Mesa. That was their relationship Hoke was ours.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 15, 2011 21:46:29 GMT -8
Where does it say that Long was required to notify UNM per his contract or that UNM was not informed either which way?
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jan 15, 2011 21:51:44 GMT -8
Damn right La Mesa. That was their relationship Hoke was ours. But every bad thing written on this board about Hoke must then also apply to Rocky. The only difference between them is that Rocky didn't get offered the job in 2005. SDSU wasn't even his dream job for crying out loud yet there he was "sneaking around" behind New Mexico's back. The hypocrisy on this board is amazing.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 15, 2011 21:52:02 GMT -8
Where does it say that Long was required to notify UNM per his contract or that UNM was not informed either which way? The other difference was that the administration at New Mexico wasn't supporting the program as much as Rocky needed, and many of them didn't support him. Hoke got all the support in the world and anything he wanted he got.
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Post by Cwag on Jan 15, 2011 21:56:15 GMT -8
Damn right La Mesa. That was their relationship Hoke was ours. But every bad thing written on this board about Hoke must then also apply to Rocky. The only difference between them is that Rocky didn't get offered the job in 2005. SDSU wasn't even his dream job for crying out loud yet there he was "sneaking around" behind New Mexico's back. The hypocrisy on this board is amazing. Well thanks for being our moral conscience..
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